The Russo Bros answer lingering Endgame questions in a interview

Nacho · Apr 30, 2019

I still really don't get the Cap timeline part. Really seems to be like a nice ending they wanted to give him without caring about how it affected their established time travel philosophy.

Like, if he went back and lived a whole life up until the pt he was on that bench, then everything he brought back with him is also in that same timeline. How is that 'alternate'? Unless he, once he was finally old, decided to travel back to the alternate universe, in which case theres a lot more gaps that need to be filled in about how he can now hop dimensions, not just timelines. It's all really just hand waved away for the purpose of a cute ending.

Puck Beaverton · Apr 30, 2019

RestEerie said:
The time traveling concept is just a writer's convenience. Just accept it and move on. There's no point arguing about the semantics of it because it's not the point.

Basically.

NotLiquid · Apr 30, 2019

I prefer the theory that Cap is the exception and that he closed a loop. I know that kind of breaks the rules they set up but given what's shown in the movies this comes across as the much more thematically poignant angle.

Not that it really matters given that Chris Evans is pretty much done and I don't expect them to explore Cap's time travel life.

Certinfy · Apr 30, 2019

Happy with most of those answers besides a few which raise even more questions.

Auros01 · Apr 30, 2019

I also found their input on the Black Widow death to be interesting. I'm wondering if the Black Widow movie isn't purely a prequel, like we're lead to believe. Perhaps it will be mostly prequel but with some connections to the future? Meeting Clint's family? Maybe a funeral gets included?

Deleted member 2145 · Apr 30, 2019

Himynameischris said:
A lot of these were explained in the movie I guess some people really need stuff spelled out for them to understand it huh.

considering the movie goes out of its way to explain how time travel works (even has Scott go "so wait, Back to the Future was all bullshit?") I don't think movies needing to spell things out is the problem

Serebii · Apr 30, 2019

They could have just said "Time travel didn't affect the past because we wanted the movie to be able to be shown in china which has banned time travel movies that alter the past" :p

Poltergust · Apr 30, 2019

Nacho said:
I still really don't get the Cap timeline part. Really seems to be like a nice ending they wanted to give him without caring about how it affected their established time travel philosophy.

Like, if he went back and lived a whole life up until the pt he was on that bench, then everything he brought back with him is also in that same timeline. How is that 'alternate'? Unless he, once he was finally old, decided to travel back to the alternate universe, in which case theres a lot more gaps that need to be filled in about how he can now hop dimensions, not just timelines. It's all really just hand waved away for the purpose of a cute ending.

What do you mean? His return to the MCU timeline is something that he was always able to do because that's what the original plan was. It's the exact same thing as what everyone did in the 2nd act of the movie.

Lukar · Apr 30, 2019

Dalek said:
Q: Why did you make Thor fat? Did Chris also become fat for the roll or it was done throug CG?

A: It was mostly CGed.

I feel like that was an unintended burn.

Deception · Apr 30, 2019

ZeoVGM said:
I'm tempted to put together a wall of shame for all the people in the Endgame OT who acted like I was crazy for stating the obvious (that it was not the current timeline where Steve was with Peggy).

But I won't.

Tell me about it, going back and forth with multiple people about how I was wrong only for them to be wrong lol

Nacho · Apr 30, 2019

Kernel said:
This one is odd.

Could they not just use the time stone to rewind time on Tony and not Thanos as well.

A lot of the logic they used doesn't really hold up. according to this movie, time is permanent and can't be undone. We've seen that very clearly not be the case with just the time stone alone.

There's tons of weird inconsistencies that are just better not to think about. Like them being worried about the stones ruining the timeline they took them from, as the absence of them will destroy the universe, but thanos destroyed the current timelines stones and they're all fine?

The time stuff is the worst tho. They just really wanted to make sure that past movies couldn't be undone, which I get, but then they didn't really stick to it nor were consistent with how it works.

And I'm pretty 100% sure that their time shenanigans will be how loki comes back eventually. You dont just have a character poof out like that without having something in mind for him. Unless those disney tv shows with loki/scarlett and vision are all the alternate timeline reality? I don't know. All Im saying is I wouldn't be surprised that the time shenanigans have repricussions. Actually if they don't I'd probably be more annoyed?

ZeoVGM · Apr 30, 2019

The_hypocrite said:
So much bullshit not explained in the movie. The plot is riddled with assumed contrivances. The critics really exposed their ass with this one.

lmao

Never change.

Tace · Apr 30, 2019

I preferred Cap always being in the main timeline in the background but this is fine too

Birdie · Apr 30, 2019

That "oh some people are five years older now" just seems like a complete mess to deal with.

Guess they'll ignore it.

Freedom = $1.05 · Apr 30, 2019

So cap waited till he was old and frail to time jump to the precise moment he had just left just to give Sam the shield?

See this is why you don't do time travel stories.

Himynameischris · Apr 30, 2019

phanphare said:
considering the movie goes out of its way to explain how time travel works (even has Scott go "so wait, Back to the Future was all bullshit?") I don't think movies needing to spell things out is the problem

true

EightBitNate · Apr 30, 2019

The "why was Vision brought back but Iron Man" question was one I hadn't thought of and their answer is really unsatisfying.

Lifejumper · Apr 30, 2019

Birdie said:
That "oh some people are five years older now" just seems like a complete mess to deal with.

Guess they'll ignore it.

They are already ignoring it with the next spider-man movie.

Himynameischris · Apr 30, 2019

EightBitNate said:
The "why was Vision brought back but Iron Man" question was one I hadn't thought of and their answer is really unsatisfying.

If you brought him back you'd have to bring him back to the point before the snap, meaning there is still a chance they lose.

Deleted member 30544 · Apr 30, 2019

LukarWuff said:
I feel like that was an unintended burn.

LOL i took it as it was 95% CG and 5% prosthetics.

WolverinesFather · Apr 30, 2019

Kernel said:
This one is odd.

Could they not just use the time stone to rewind time on Tony and not Thanos as well.

It seems like the rewind would also undo the snap. So that opens it up to losing again. Or have to quickly snap again, but who is going to do it? It was a good ending, people die, why mess with it?

PSqueak · Apr 30, 2019

Teh_Lurv said:
Hopefully this will end the arguments over on the main Endgame thread on how time travel worked in this movie.

Also this kills the "He kissed his own niece" meme.

ZeoVGM · Apr 30, 2019

Lifejumper said:
They are already ignoring it with the next spider-man movie.

They're not going to ignore it. Far From Home will obviously address the time jump. No reason to think they won't.

adj_noun · Apr 30, 2019

Birdie said:
That "oh some people are five years older now" just seems like a complete mess to deal with.

Guess they'll ignore it.

If you really start to think about it, there's a lot of dark shit to unpack, both during the snap years and when the snapped come back.

Demacabre · Apr 30, 2019

Whenever Time Travel is debated I am reminded of the Austin Powers scene on it.

How it Should Have Ended is going to have a field day on this.

I'm Batman.

GrimGrinningGuy · Apr 30, 2019

Kinthey said:
Wait, so old man cap actually jumped backed into the timeline? In that case it might have been more clear if he had arrived back on the platform instead of sitting on a bench

Yeah that's what's throwing it off. In all the other returns everyone returned to the platform

ZattMurdock · Apr 30, 2019

NotLiquid said:
I prefer the theory that Cap is the exception and that he closed a loop. I know that kind of breaks the rules they set up but given what's shown in the movies this comes across as the much more thematically poignant angle.

Not that it really matters given that Chris Evans is pretty much done and I don't expect them to explore Cap's time travel life.

I love the Russo Bros. But these are the same people that said the title of Avengers 4 wasn't said in Infinity War. So there's that.

Lifejumper · Apr 30, 2019

ZeoVGM said:
They're not going to ignore it. Far From Home will obviously address the time jump. No reason to think they won't.

Judging by the trailers, everybody from Peters class was snapped?

Curious how and if they will adress some of their peers being 5 years older.

SArcher · Apr 30, 2019

Something I'd like answered:

Why didn't the Avengers (and Banner specifically) try to bring people killed before the snap like the Asgardians (incl Hemdall and Loki), Vision and heck, maybe even Quicksilver? Did they just forget about them? Hulk even said he tried to ring back Natasha (who wasn't snapped).

Poltergust · Apr 30, 2019

Freedom = $1.05 said:
So cap waited till he was old and frail to time jump to the precise moment he had just left just to give Sam the shield?

See this is why you don't do time travel stories.

He wanted to live a full life with Peggy, so he likely went back to the MCU timeline some time after she died.

If he did it any earlier, he wouldn't be able to go back to her, since the characters can only travel to a point further back in their timeline.

LewieP · Apr 30, 2019

Kind of a shame that they didn't (at least from what I noticed) make it clear in the actual movie that Cap had made one final jump back to the main timeline at the end of the movie.

StarCreator · Apr 30, 2019

NotLiquid said:
I prefer the theory that Cap is the exception and that he closed a loop. I know that kind of breaks the rules they set up but given what's shown in the movies this comes across as the much more thematically poignant angle.

Not that it really matters given that Chris Evans is pretty much done and I don't expect them to explore Cap's time travel life.

You're free to prefer it, but the Russos have literally said that's not what happened.

Haloid1177 · Apr 30, 2019

Hold up does the time stone not follow the same laws of time "travel" as Tony's system did?

subpar spatula · Apr 30, 2019

wait. so they could of used the time stone to save tony's life? lol. useless avengers.

Professor Beef · Apr 30, 2019

Did they explain why they hand waved Professor Hulk?

BearPawB · Apr 30, 2019

SArcher said:
Something I'd like answered:

Why didn't the Avengers (and Banner specifically) try to bring people killed before the snap like the Asgardians (incl Hemdall and Loki), Vision and heck, maybe even Quicksilver? Did they just forget about them? Hulk even said he tried to ring back Natasha (who wasn't snapped).

i imagine it's something you have to get in your head quickly
"everyone ever dead" isn't really gonna do it.
"everyone who was taken away by thanos" is a lot clearer

adj_noun · Apr 30, 2019

Professor Beef said:
Did they explain why they hand waved Professor Hulk?

When I heard the Prof Hulk rumors, I was so sure we'd get a "Banner talks to Hulk in the recesses of his own mind" scene.

StarCreator · Apr 30, 2019

Haloid1177 said:
Hold up does the time stone not follow the same laws of time "travel" as Tony's system did?

The Time Stone hasn't been observed transporting its user in time, so I don't think this is a question that has been answered.

ZattMurdock · Apr 30, 2019

Auros01 said:
I also found their input on the Black Widow death to be interesting. I'm wondering if the Black Widow movie isn't purely a prequel, like we're lead to believe. Perhaps it will be mostly prequel but with some connections to the future? Meeting Clint's family? Maybe a funeral gets included?

Also, their answer doesn't even make sense with Endgame. "Our" Black Widow is dead, but so are our Gamora. I wouldn't be surprised if they bring back Scarlett in her film in the slightest.

I'd advice for a spoiler warning in the title.

Busaiku · Apr 30, 2019

INCURSIONS

Professor Beef · Apr 30, 2019

adj_noun said:
When I heard the Prof Hulk rumors, I was so sure we'd get a "Banner talks to Hulk in the recesses of his own mind" scene.

Man me too! It would've been dope!

FantasticMrFoxdie · Apr 30, 2019

lmaoooo

props to the interviewer for asking all the hard questions. Doesn't sound like he was prepared for those and had to lean on the "14 million timeline" instances or just come up with it on the fly

Nacho said:
I still really don't get the Cap timeline part. Really seems to be like a nice ending they wanted to give him without caring about how it affected their established time travel philosophy.

Like, if he went back and lived a whole life up until the pt he was on that bench, then everything he brought back with him is also in that same timeline. How is that 'alternate'? Unless he, once he was finally old, decided to travel back to the alternate universe, in which case theres a lot more gaps that need to be filled in about how he can now hop dimensions, not just timelines. It's all really just hand waved away for the purpose of a cute ending.

he properly answered that i think? Cap went to the alternate timeline to live his life out and decided to jump back to his original timeline to meet Sam and give him a shield

Sou Da · Apr 30, 2019

Lifejumper said:
Judging by the trailers, nobody from Peters class was snapped?

Curious how and if they will adress some of their peers being 5 years older.

How did you not come to the opposite conclusion?

Duffking · Apr 30, 2019

Orb said:
It says it right there in one of their answers. Yes, he did jump back. He didn't just wait around.

Ah thanks I missed that as it was in a different batch of answers.

fallengorn · Apr 30, 2019

Professor Beef said:
Did they explain why they hand waved Professor Hulk?

Markus and McFeely talk about that in their NY Times interview. They originally were going to have them do it in IW in Wakanda, but moved it to Endgame. Then they thought about doing a lab scene for it, but decided to just do it in the diner, with Scott's confusion being the entry way.

CosmicGP · Apr 30, 2019

This is great. Pretty much confirms the time travel theories I've heard and liked best.

I'm guessing Old Cap appearing at the bench was just for dramatic effect (or maybe he got Bucky to operate the quantum tunnel hours before Young Cap was supposed to make the jump, and then waited behind a tree, lol)

What's up with asking whether Hemsworth really put on that weight though?

Deleted member 36578 · Apr 30, 2019

Thank goodness they confirmed Cap to be in a different time line. There's loads of different time lines caused in this movie by the carelessness of heroes.

Critch · Apr 30, 2019

Professor Beef said:
Did they explain why they hand waved Professor Hulk?

fallengorn said:
Markus and McFeely talk about that in their NY Times interview. They originally were going to have them do it in IW in Wakanda, but moved it to Endgame. Then they thought about doing a lab scene for it, but decided to just do it in the diner, with Scott's confusion being the entry way.

Also, it's just better this way. Movie's already 3 hours, and they needed to bring him in to advance things while Tony figures it out.

Desparadina · Apr 30, 2019

I feel like when we talk about time travel in the movie Hulk's quote has to be reiterated. He did say that if you travel to the past you don't change the future, the past is now your present. I'm glad they cleared up Cap being in an alternate reality and not the actual past which wouldn't make sense considering the logic presented in the film

Froli · Apr 30, 2019

We were right about the alternate realities. lol

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