I'm pretty sure it goes: play as ellie. abby kills ellie. playing as ellie still going out and getting revenge -> flashback to abby seeing dad die and her version of joel's death and playing as her until fighting ellie. The level list is broken up between half ellie half abby but who knows it might be out of order in the game?
That's nice.
The interview was years ago so I can't find it, but there was online discussion and eye rolling about it at the time. It was definitely after Uncharted 2, maybe in the lead up to Uncharted 3 which made it even more obnoxious since that game was relatively weak).
You mean Abby kills Joel right? I don't think we have evidence that Abby kills Ellie.
wat soo is it confirmed that ellie dies too.. lol I thought she shoots abby in the face?
That's not inherently heroic. Literally look at the state Jessie was in during the ending. Walt personally condemned him to that life and only did something about it because someone was selling HIS meth formula. It wasn't about saving Jessie or anything to do with redemption.
I'm sorry. Where did walter white get a heroic death? Because he got shot, while protecting Jesse who ended up enslaved because of Walt, I—WHAT. okay, so let me see if I understan: people would be fine Joel dying if he protected Ellie while dying. Okay. Fine. Question: how is saving Ellie while dying any different then him "saving" her (Joel point blanks says this in the opening minutes) from the fireflies dissecting her brain? Remember what Neil said in one of his interviews for the game? He said that they wanted "avoid repeating themselves" Joel dying to save Ellie is exactly this: repeating themselves, In fact? I think it might be even worse because when he saved Ellie from the fireflies it had weight because he was choosing her over the entire world, dying for her because he loves her is common sense, what do we learn from that? That Joel loves Ellie? well no shit, we already knew that...i just also realized something joel is dying for Ellie, he is killed because he decided to kill the doctor that would not allow him to take Ellie. Joel is dying because of that choice... it's a real brutal death, but it still Joel dying for Ellie. It's just done in a way that's not repeating themselves as Joel is not just dying for Ellie herself, but the choice he made.
He didn't make anything right. His literal motivation was "someone's selling MY meth?" It was always about his pride. Saving Jessie="I'm doing for this my family"
So far we only know of Jackson and Seattle. Jackson is snowy and then not snowy and there's some jungly areas somewhere lol, it's not exactly clear.
I watched a video of an IDF (Israel Defense Force) soldier bashing a child's head in with a rock then shooting his corpse. I also saw another video of an IDF soldier shooting a fluorescently-vested (made to indicate that they are not to be shot at) Canadian medic through a chain-link fence.
Just saw footage of Dina's face being smashed into the ground repeatedly. I'm waiting to understand the appeal of being that needlessly gratuitous outside of a Mortal Kombat setting. If ND are trying to chase respect from their peers by being shocking, they could accomplish that faster without the bad taste and burned out cynicism.
yikes so its not even confirmed that abby dies in the end either...
BRUH. Do you think Tony Montana had a heroic death too?
Like, there's self inserting and projecting onto a character, and completely missing the point of the narrative, and then there's "Walter White had a heroic death." 🤦♂️
Whoops, sorry, I might have misremembered, can't trace back the leaks since Sony took down everything and I don't have the willpower to search for it in the darker corners of the net lol. I'll take your word for it and delete that part of the post.
No, but is the objective to be entertained by the violence or to see Eli and Joels journey through?Additionally, many games are designed to make you feel uncomfortable about your actions to further illustrate the atrocity of violence. Thisnis part of what the last of us does. Another game like this is Spec ops the Line which makes you feel horrible in certain parts. Its a great game with a potent story and message, but not "enjoyable" in the same sense as something like call of duty.
Like, there's self inserting and projecting onto a character, and completely missing the point of the narrative, and then there's "Walter White had a heroic death." 🤦♂️
Surely the dude who played Walter White, aka, understood his character more than anything else, viewed his final scenes as heroi---
....Oh
Troy Baker is gonna have to come out and explain his character like the lead actor from "You"
if were going by levels Ellie has 12 scenes compared to 4-5 for abby. So the whole half and half thing is not true in the slightest.
Wait so your problem is with them making it look realistic? Not with the contextualization of the violence within the video game itself? I was addressing how the game frames you committing violence as a player. If Eli does some horrible things, so what? Many people do horrible things. As long as the game can make it clear said violence is WRONG I see it as being more productive then destructive. This has been clearly indicated to be a theme of this game.
I think there's definitely a discussion to be had over the differences in misdirection and flat out lying lol.
What the hell are you even talking about.BRUH. Do you think Tony Montana had a heroic death too?
Like, there's self inserting and projecting onto a character, and completely missing the point of the narrative, and then there's "Walter White had a heroic death." 🤦♂️
Surely the dude who played Walter White, aka, understood his character more than anything else, viewed his final scenes as heroi---
....Oh
Troy Baker is gonna have to come out and explain his character like the lead actor from "You"
When literally the actor himself doesn't consider his death to be heroic in anyway I'd take the L on that one. Saving the kid who you condemned to slavery and execution by nazis isn't heroism. That's the whole point. It's reinforcing that everything Walt does is justification for his own ego. He did something not out of some altruistic goal. It's for HIM. Hence him trying one last time to manipulate Jessie.
People are talking about the footage where she saves Ellie from Abs
Its media? Media can do things? Do you say its just a book, just a movie? Not saying it's gonna change world views but it may at least serve a purpose in making SOMEONE better understand how atrocious ANY violence against humans is. Is this really such a weird take? The game is clearly going to make you question the initial quest for revenge making you see it wasn't worth it due to the "costs" (Joel). Obviously most of you don't think this will be effective at all but I am willing to at least hear out the idea and see the game play out.
