I guess technically it's a lie by omission but it happens all the time with trailers and pre-release talk since the purpose is to create hype not detail everything that happens. It's so common that there's a TV Tropes page about it.
The Last of Us Part II - Spoiler Thread
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I guess technically it's a lie by omission but it happens all the time with trailers and pre-release talk since the purpose is to create hype not detail everything that happens. It's so common that there's a TV Tropes page about it.
I didn't know about the missing scenes, can you tell me which ones are?
Cringe ghost Joel appears to you throughout the game making dad jokes.
There aren't lies by omission. Scenes have been deliberately changed in the trailer.
How am I arguing in bad faith.
"I don't like that this game is being misleading and doesn't straightforwardly explain the plot to us"
doesn't work as an argument to criticize this game based on spoilers that none of us would've known about if it weren't for some hacker.
The main thing is the seemingly infected Joel shot here. It was made specifically for this trailer and juxtaposed against Ellie looking down and aiming a gun.
The explicit point was making sure that audiences think that Joel at some point gets infected. And that Ellie has to deal with that. You can even glimpse a model swap here as Ellie is not wearing her fall gear and the scene where she pushes Joel reads differently as a result. So yea, going beyond stuff like showing combat in areas of the game that don't have any combat, TLOU has set a precedent for
-model swaps in scenes mean to misdirect the audience
-literal creation of scenes that don't exist in the game juxtaposed against scenes that DO exist
-edits of existing scenes in the game to throw people off
-lying about who's playable
this doesn't mean that the marketing does not at all represent the themes of the game. As it's still very explicitly portrayed as Ellie on a downward spiral of revenge. In the same way that the first game's marketing never told us WHY Joel is on his journey, this game's marketing doesn't tell us why Ellie is on hers. And the only things we can glean, are purposeful hints.
"I know you wish things were different. I wish things were different. But they ain't."="It's got everything to do with that little girl."
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That's the point. And trying to confuse all of us who already saw the leaks
Trailer is great. Just like FF7 I do not care if the trailers are lying. It's a common thing for trailers to put fake scenes in and nothing in this trailer sells a different story. It's still Ellie getting revenge and the consequences it will bring. They haven't shown who she is getting revenge for.
Also I know it was pointed out but the Joel model is weird and I'm assuming its fake. His hair is definitely darker in the death scene.
Also I know it was pointed out but the Joel model is weird and I'm assuming its fake. His hair is definitely darker in the death scene.
lmao
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Let me put my point in bold to you:
The developers lying now, in 2020, about the story for The Last of Us: Part 2 is a different thing to them lying about the original game because there are a number of significant contextual factors separating the two. I listed these contextual factors in the initial post, and used the Star Wars comparison as another example of how two instalments in the same franchise can have wildly different expectations. As such, you cannot compare the two game's advertising styles directly to make the arguments you are making.
Being clever about not giving major story events away =/= lying. Wtf are you on about.
Fair enough, I think I took it as being a lot more tragic because it seemed to imply their relationship was permanently damaged. So learning that they're at odds in the sequel wasn't too much for me to swallow.
Everybody knows it's the point. I doubt anybody is thinking Naughty Dog is filled with pathological liars who lie without any rhyme or reason.
And there's no way this trailer would have been affected that significantly by the leaks. That's simply not how these things work.
That happens all the time too. Trailers for Avengers Infinity War and Endgame (also massive hyped releases) blatantly photoshopped various characters into scenes that they never appear in as misdirection or removed characters from scenes that they appear in to hide their existence from the audience. It's not unique to ND to misdirect in trailers. Trailers exist to generate hype and for a lot of folks that means being surprised. Hence misdirection via editing all the way through straight up photoshopping. I would never take them at face value.
Trailer misdirection is to not give away major plot points and to avoid spoilers. It's not to combat leaks.
"I know you wish things were different. I wish things were different. But they ain't."
A message for all of us.
A message for all of us.
TFW when Infinity War literally has most of the favs die.
People really out here thinking this trailer was made this week lmao.
You don't need to lie to not give away major story events, dude.
You also don't need to tell your audience, "oh hey, the inciting incident is that Joel dies"
Completely understand there will be people who disagree but model swaps go beyond misdirection for me....creating something new that, in my view, is deliberately misleading always leaves a bad taste.
Outside of the quality of the leaked plot details...the fact is you are not getting what you might expect or even want with this game (and this is being deliberately done as evidenced by the model swaps etc).
Outside of the quality of the leaked plot details...the fact is you are not getting what you might expect or even want with this game (and this is being deliberately done as evidenced by the model swaps etc).
I think the person Ellie is talking to at the end of the trailer is the other girl that was there when they killed Joel? Maybe she's also the girl on the chalkboard in the aquarium too. It looks like Ellie does kill everybody who was in the joel hunter squad.
Im pretty sure that this image where Ellie is cover in blood is Ellie crying over Dina, just look at her clothes and nose (looks like broken). I think this is after Abbys fight
I actually can't wait to see Ellie circle the drain.
I feel as if the game will make you question whether or not it was better to leave her with the Fireflies or have her become this hate fuelled monster. That gif Crossing Eden posted sums it up for me, that transition from the little girl Joel saved, the one with have in our memories to this.
The drama is going to be so thick omg
I feel as if the game will make you question whether or not it was better to leave her with the Fireflies or have her become this hate fuelled monster. That gif Crossing Eden posted sums it up for me, that transition from the little girl Joel saved, the one with have in our memories to this.
The drama is going to be so thick omg
That's the problem with how people today consume media (and not just videogames). People just want to go see a movie they already know everything about that will meet their expectations. Not subvert or exceed them.
Thankfully Naughty Dog isn't a status quo studio, and does things that are actually interesting and bold, even if it means some people won't like it.
Aka, making art.
I just have to say that I'll never forget one of my early comments in ye old lands where I commented about Ellie's new character design/line about killing every last one of them being akin to Arya Stark.... boy, was that closer then to truth more then one.
I think it might be Jesse dying, we haven't seen his death yet & just know he dies.
The only thing I know is this game is gonna be a masterpiece, why? Bc is going to be an emocional rollercoaster, is game was bad we wouldtn feel shit, but its not the case. I totally would prefer a happy ending (even we dont know what it is, who knows, maybe is a "happy one") but this is TLOU world and is this hard, so Im sure that im gonna cry a million times here, never a videogame has done this to me before, thats why is going to be a masterpiece
Now that i've read and read in details the spoilers especially the leaked level
Why are so many Youtubers spewing crap on the leaks ? I understand the frustration but the hate they are spewing are ridiculous and most of them are blabbering ellie dies in the end ????? Also their are 2 chapters post the abby vs ellie fight , ending can be anything
We really dont know even the size of the chapter ........
And WTF are with the youtube comments ? So much hatred ?
Why are so many Youtubers spewing crap on the leaks ? I understand the frustration but the hate they are spewing are ridiculous and most of them are blabbering ellie dies in the end ????? Also their are 2 chapters post the abby vs ellie fight , ending can be anything
We really dont know even the size of the chapter ........
And WTF are with the youtube comments ? So much hatred ?
if the leaks are a troll and we end up getting something totally different I'm buying a PS5 on launch day.
Because they're reacting to a fake leak. Someone on 4chan and reddit attempted to summarize the game based on leaks and included a lot of fanfiction
including ending events that don't exist in any of the videos released. On top of information that we know for a fact is fake.
Most notably--->a specific character who dies at some point in the game is stated to live in the summary, and TLOU never pulls the "we saw no body so they aren't dead" schtick. Really sucks that we have to wait several weeks to see the context, (inevitably some store somewhere will bypass the release date and we'll get streams that get ninja'd).
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Probably a mix of
1) Xbox fanboys
2) Anti-SJW / Alt-Right people
3) Emotional fanboys who either:
a) got spoiled
b) ruined the game for themselves
4) People who want to see Naughty Dog fail for "x" reason.Thing they all have in common is they are man children lol.
Doesn't the MCU do the misdirection trick in nearly all their trailers? I mean they film extra scenes just to put them in the trailers/tv spots and not the movie, Endgame's promo was full of them. Star Wars as well
5) Youtubers getting striked for discussing the leaks
Guess theyre man children as well?
People hated Raiden for years, but the gameplay and overall story was well received.
That is completely unfair, but I do get the logic because the content of the leaks are based on stolen footage and these people have adsense on thier videos.
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Considering they're the same ones spreading FUD and having alt right gaming channels? Yes.
I'm not gonna stan for channels like these getting strikes. We all know exactly what crowd is leading the backlash. Let's not pretend otherwise.
Well, it's more like protecting your intellectual property. It's just business.
They are entirely right in doing so, especially if people are "incorrect" in their claims.
Plus, to be fair, most YouTube videos I have seen, are straight up people complaining about the SJW agenda and/or "NEIL IS AN ___________". It's just people venting and capitalizing on the franchises while venting on what may ultimately be misconception. It's not as if they were adding any interesting layers to actually possibly having to play a "vilain" in a video game that features one of the most beloved video game characters in recent years.
So am I the only one that noticed that Sony turned off comments and likes/dislike counts on the story trailer?
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