Because the American public never elected legislative majorities to do that.
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America doesn't deserve black women. They're always doing whats best for the country.
I don't know how enforceable they are, because these states allow anyone to bring suit even if they're not involved in the abortion, which arguably means they have no standing. Additionally they may not even be legal because the Federal government oversees interstate matters. The point is not really about whether they are legal though, it's literally to inflict as much punishment as possible for someone who tries to seek abortion services out of state. If fear of civil damages will prevent someone from going out of state, or prevent a doctor in a state from providing services legally to out of state people, that's enough justification.
Of course. The same applies to them too. Manchin and Sinema are just the chosen scapegoats.
Obama had 59 votes. There were 5 or 6 that were the Blue Dog Dems. You're saying Harry Reid couldn't whip up 51 votes?
They aren't going to do that even if they had 2 more votes.
Do you really want Republicans to have free reign to do whatever they want??
Lol. They'll get rid of the filibuster to do a full ban if that's what it takes. They're emboldened now.
And? We've lost the battle already. May as well be honest and say WV has a Republican senator. Instead we let Joe manchin abuse his power for personal greed and gain. His only worth is he claims to be a democrat. Why. What use is he? Cut him lose.
yes, the people who've been threatening to do this for decades did the thing and the reasonable adults in the room who actually held real power did nothing to prevent it.
Who is they
Because there's been 4 Democratic presidents in 50 years and they never had the government bodies in line to codify.
If I'm Republican reading this thread, im ecstatic. We stripe rights away from minorities and you all blame the black man and white woman? Excellent. Time for gay marriage next.
Like holy shit, can we get our heads in the game? It is 2022. This is happening now, regardless of why we're here. What's next?
Like holy shit, can we get our heads in the game? It is 2022. This is happening now, regardless of why we're here. What's next?
The "fuck the Dems" mentality ITT could not more perfectly encapsulate why the right was able to succeed at this.
Conservative evangelicals and Republicans have been on the anti-abortion crusade for *50 years*. And across those five decades, did they ever say fuck the GOP? Did they blast both parties as the same? Did they seriously threaten to vote third party or form a new party or not vote at all? Did they say they would flee the country or burn the system down?
No. They spent 50 years mobilizing voters, electing as many anti-abortion Republicans as they could, kicking those who weren't sufficiently anti-abortion out of the party. They played an extremely long game and won it because they never took their eye off the ball: that the key to making policy is winning elections. No politician was too odious to ally with. Donald Trump should've been the most obvious candidate to run away from; instead they pledged their full support to him and had it pay off dividends. Meanwhile, so many progressive and other left-of-center voters basically spend every two years looking for an excuse not to vote.
Voting doesn't not work; it works extremely well! What doesn't work is this constant attitude of trying to take yourself out of the equation. And it's frustrating that so many on the left still can't learn this lesson when the right is teaching it to us all the time.
Conservative evangelicals and Republicans have been on the anti-abortion crusade for *50 years*. And across those five decades, did they ever say fuck the GOP? Did they blast both parties as the same? Did they seriously threaten to vote third party or form a new party or not vote at all? Did they say they would flee the country or burn the system down?
No. They spent 50 years mobilizing voters, electing as many anti-abortion Republicans as they could, kicking those who weren't sufficiently anti-abortion out of the party. They played an extremely long game and won it because they never took their eye off the ball: that the key to making policy is winning elections. No politician was too odious to ally with. Donald Trump should've been the most obvious candidate to run away from; instead they pledged their full support to him and had it pay off dividends. Meanwhile, so many progressive and other left-of-center voters basically spend every two years looking for an excuse not to vote.
Voting doesn't not work; it works extremely well! What doesn't work is this constant attitude of trying to take yourself out of the equation. And it's frustrating that so many on the left still can't learn this lesson when the right is teaching it to us all the time.
As an outsider, this is shocking, never thought that developing nations legislature in regards to abortion would be better than United States.
Question, with this to be solved in a state level, does this mean that any women from a state that prohibits abortion can travel to an state that accepts abortion, have a safe procedure and then return home?
Question, with this to be solved in a state level, does this mean that any women from a state that prohibits abortion can travel to an state that accepts abortion, have a safe procedure and then return home?
Manchin has a 100% voting record on every single federal judge Biden has nominated
Under majority leader Mitch McConnell (which would happen if Manchin was a Republican), exactly 0 of those federal judges would even be voted on
Right. The reality is that the Supreme Court has made it clear they are eroding federal rights and pushing states rights civil war bullshit over again.
And Dems are going to have to push more to flip state legislatures etc over like what happened with GA. It has to happen in all these smaller states. Its the only way forward right now.
Just step one on the upcoming docket of setting this country back 150 years.
Lifetime appointments with no public votes to add or remove justices, and no strings attached to their tenure…yeah, that's a good idea.
Lifetime appointments with no public votes to add or remove justices, and no strings attached to their tenure…yeah, that's a good idea.
Not really, outside of maybe a small window under Clinton and Obama. We never had the votes.
Lol the poster is clearly talking about 2010/2014/2016. Hell, if republicans hadn't won in 2014, a Democrat would have replaced Scalia and this conversation likely wouldn't be happening.
Any resources regarding where and when protests will be organized in major cities? Just sitting here fucking fuming and won't be able to focus on work today
Even if this theory that he could have made an inter-session recess appointment was correct, it would have expired on January 3, 2017, and Trump would still appoint Gorsuch. Nothing would change.
Recess appointments are temporary, not permanent.
As opposed to…?
Also, as far as the legislative process goes, the House is not where the holdup is.
I honestly think the time for relying on voting has long passed, while it may slow the regression that is happening, it will not stop it.
Todays movement by the court is another action to gain ground which cannot go unchallenged. People need to immediately organise and send a strong and destructive message that this will not go unchecked.
If this is not resisted, then the country will just continually erode your rights.
Todays movement by the court is another action to gain ground which cannot go unchallenged. People need to immediately organise and send a strong and destructive message that this will not go unchecked.
If this is not resisted, then the country will just continually erode your rights.
Important part is "always" In 2016 too many chose to not vote, or voted for someone who wasnt even on the ballot. You might as well have casted a vote for trump and your rights to be taken away if you voted for Bernie that year.
Exactly. Republicans have been EXCEEDINGLY PATIENT in setting up the ideal circumstances to give themselves whatever they want despite having no actual majority.
Democrats fall apart into infighting the SECOND something doesn't go their way. We are so fucking bad at managing our coalition, and it's pathetic that folks still don't understand this and keep succumbing to the exact same temper tantrums over and over and over again.
Nah. The Right was able to succeed at this because of Independents, not the far left and the folks saying "fuck the Dems." Moderates are the problem, always have been.
Fuck this country
I really wish Biden would go on tv and throw the names of who don't expand the court under the bus
Literally your own party fucks things up too
I really wish Biden would go on tv and throw the names of who don't expand the court under the bus
Literally your own party fucks things up too
Elections have consequences, people.
If that happened, Democrats would lose their majority and literally nothing would be done then.
If that happened, Democrats would lose their majority and literally nothing would be done then.
Holy christ. Healthcare in this country is still an abomination after that corporatist law and Democratic leaders were not supporting gay marriage until the writing was on the wall and was almost federally legalized by the courts, not the Democrats. And now we've got nothing but excuses for why they couldn't codify abortion rights into law over 50 fucking years. They're a pathetic party. This is on them.
Which charity can I donate to in order to do something to help? I vote and plan to continue voting, but everything seems so fucking helpless. I am trying to raise my son to be a good person but there's too much awful shit in the US :(
No no, see this is the perfect time to have a productive conversation about why the Dems are awful
can't think of any more important topic at the moment
What it always was.
To anyone who has ever lived with the comfort of believing that the United States was was not capable of this? Was better than this? Then truly, I envy you.
And that's the thing that always gags me about the "vote!" conversation. Proponents of voting sometimes get treated like we're naive. Like we believe in the "goodness" of this country. And, no. Many of us vote because we know how batshit awful this place is, and how much worse it could be.