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Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings |Spoiler OT| Marvel Combat
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we had several Asian folks in our screening and they loved it.
I saw that the Asian demo liked the movie the most 94% favorable rating. I feel that many will connect to some of the themes in the family, at least I did.
Near the end of the movie, my girlfriend leans over and whispers "Wenwu kind of looks like your dad". I respond with a "yeah", while a bit teary-eyed. lol
Okay so I think I figured out the timeline of Shang-Chi and his family's lives. It makes two big assumptions--one, that it's "present day" is set sometime around Endgame, so 2023 about (five years after Infinity War, which was 2018), give or take a few months, and two, that Shang-Chi was not blipped, as that just opens another can of worms that the film didn't delve into at all.
So with those assumptions, we are told that Shang-Chi left his father at the age of fourteen, and it is now ten years later, so he is twenty-four years old. Twenty-four in 2023 would mean he was born in 1999, three years after Wenwu met his mother. If he left ten years prior to the "present" would put him leaving in 2013 (same year as Iron Man 3, actually, now that I think about it). It's also stated that he started training with his father at the age of seven, which began pretty much right after his mom died and Wenwu went back to the Ten Rings, so that would put Wenwu's return to the Ten Rings at 2006, two years before the first Iron Man.
I think that holds up. Maybe it could be interpreted that the Ten Rings' kidnapping of Tony Stark was part of Wenwu rebuilding his power base, or something.
So with those assumptions, we are told that Shang-Chi left his father at the age of fourteen, and it is now ten years later, so he is twenty-four years old. Twenty-four in 2023 would mean he was born in 1999, three years after Wenwu met his mother. If he left ten years prior to the "present" would put him leaving in 2013 (same year as Iron Man 3, actually, now that I think about it). It's also stated that he started training with his father at the age of seven, which began pretty much right after his mom died and Wenwu went back to the Ten Rings, so that would put Wenwu's return to the Ten Rings at 2006, two years before the first Iron Man.
I think that holds up. Maybe it could be interpreted that the Ten Rings' kidnapping of Tony Stark was part of Wenwu rebuilding his power base, or something.
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It's a good alternative, but still a bit awkward and not a name a Mandarin-speaking creator would gravitate towards.
I think what might work is if Shang or Chi was a surname (尚 or 齊 respectively), and the given name being the other, which would open up the first name to something that makes sense and is commonly used. However, I think officially they've name Shang-Chi's family "Xu" 徐, so that's out the window hahaha.
There are a few other clues. He met Katy when he was 15 and they've known each other for 10 years. Basic math should mean he's 25 during the movie.
As for the year. He had one shirt that said he's from the class of 17. If he graduated as a 18 year old in 2017 then he'd be 25 in 2024.
So that's what I'm sticking with unless Marvel confirms something different.
I think he was born in 99 like what you originally said. But I think the year of the movie takes place in 2024 instead of 2023.
This movie was so good! I really like how every major character got a moment to shine, and the dragon sequence at the end was so good.
Incredible. I was terrified it would be disappointing because I felt like if this bombed it would take forever to bring back goodwill from viewing audiences for another Asian superhero as fucked up as that sounds. But this movie was well made, I've seen it twice in theaters now (early screening where Simu showed up and just now w my girlfriend). Loved it.
Between this and Black Widow I'm really enjoying MCU flicks these days.
Unlike so many if them, SC feels like it could be a satisfying movie on its own merits.
Unlike so many if them, SC feels like it could be a satisfying movie on its own merits.
I cannot wait to see this again. How good the pacing on this movie was is still the standout feature to me. Absolutely top notch script and editing to make the movie flow so well. Pacing is one the most difficult things to get right in cinema and this movie nailed it.
I wouldn't exactly call a Kaiju battle typical third act marvel.
I wouldn't exactly call a Kaiju battle typical third act marvel.
Mixed feelings on this one. Glad to see it's well-received, but personally found it kind of underwhelming. The nods to Asian American identity felt kind of hamfisted to me, and the production quality felt weirdly low budget at a lot of points. Was honestly completely uninterested in Ta Lo; wuxia just can't really be done justice in a Marvel universe. Would've rather it stuck to Hong Kong style kung fu, or at least be bit more inspired and less antiseptic when it came to the mythical elements.
So the movie's 1996 was his sister birthyear, not his?
The t-shirt is the best hint for his age still.
It's pretty surreal to have a Marvel character who's the same age as me in-universe.
Still mildly amused at the idea of Nora hanging out and being best friends with her grandpa aka Garbage Boy.
I haven't studied Mandarin in like 5 years, but I still understood some of it. I was legit surprised that I did lol. Makes me want to start studying again.
There were some kids in the rows in-front of us that were losing their shit at the bus fight lol
I saw it Thursday night but loved it so much and watched it again last night.
The cutest thing happened after the movie ended. As I was walking out of the theater there was an Asian family in front of me, a dad and his kids, and they were all doing the little circle foot move. Made me smile :)
The cutest thing happened after the movie ended. As I was walking out of the theater there was an Asian family in front of me, a dad and his kids, and they were all doing the little circle foot move. Made me smile :)
I was pretty scared it would be shitty or just disrespectful in some way to Asian culture. However I'm very pleased with what they did. They managed to throw in a lot of small Asian culture nods without making it feel forced or a joke. I feel satisfied that we got our own Black Panther of a movie.
It's bad, but for what's worth, the old comics were printed on cheap, grayish paper (like a newspaper) that dimmed the colors on page. Therefore, the colorists always cranked up color intensity. Shang-Chi was not supposed to look as yellow as a banana.
Marvel (and DC, for that matter) suck at reproducing the true color palettes of old comics.
Watched it earlier in the day on Imax, and it was incredible. The fights were amazing. I do agree certain parts feel rushed... we needed more Wenwu. I think the movie would have benefited from a "Legends of Wenwu" Disney plus 4 episode mini-series or something. Though I'm not sure if Marvel would have been able to convince Tony Leung to do a D+ series.
Without spoiling can anyone tell me of Loki is referenced at all?
Sister wants to watch but has not watched loki yet.
Sister wants to watch but has not watched loki yet.
I think he mean Katy's grandfather. early in the movie when ShangChi pick up Katy. it's chinese day of the dead where they remember their dead relative. the poster wondering if Katy's grandfather is the guy Shang-Chi killed. which I don't think it is.
I think alot of people are confused about this - I don't think it's about Katy's grandfather at all, I'm still unclear how it's getting mixed up.
When shang chi tells Katy he went thru with killing his mother's killer near the end, it was a big deal because he said in the flashback earlier that he bailed on the murder. So now he is confirming that he did commit a crime or murder before in his past
Loved everything about it except the Shenron Vs Bahumut CG disaster. Felt like someone cut 10 mins from a different movie into this one, really jarring.
Everything else was fantastic. Tony Leung a masterclass of the art and the end credits scenes were worth waiting for.
Can't wait for a sequel.
Everything else was fantastic. Tony Leung a masterclass of the art and the end credits scenes were worth waiting for.
Can't wait for a sequel.
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That's awesome. I was honestly skeptical but hopeful. I'm so glad this was one of the few times something has actually exceeded my expectations. I've had some people tell me it was mediocre at best and they'd rather watch "real" Asian movies made by Asians.
That's how I felt coming into the movie and when I walked out of the movie.
The parts that resonated the most with me as an Asian American - in no particular order:
There were more that I can't think of at the top of my head, but I loved the film and can't wait to see it again.
- The combative/intimidating/complicated relationship between an Asian father and his son.
- Asian Parent/Child relationships reflected accurately, in general, in this movie
- Seeing fight scenes like the ones I grew up watching (Jackie Chan movies) reflected in a big blockbuster MCU movie.
- The guts to go full asian fantasy rather than stay street level kung fu movie - the way Thor went full Asgardian fantasy.
- "When are you two getting married"
- Dance Dance Revolution
- Karaoke
There were more that I can't think of at the top of my head, but I loved the film and can't wait to see it again.
That was a great movie. Awesome fighting, cool characters, Trevor Slattery playing a pivotal role. I would've been happy with just a reference to him like when they mentioned the Mandarin, but as soon as I heard that moaning I knew it was my boy.
Also I know people who wanted more straight kung fu aren't hot on the magic stuff at the end but I was fucking in for the big dragon battle. Had a huge smile on my face the whole time.
Looking forward to finding out why and how Banner gave all his green juice to his cousin.
Also I know people who wanted more straight kung fu aren't hot on the magic stuff at the end but I was fucking in for the big dragon battle. Had a huge smile on my face the whole time.
Looking forward to finding out why and how Banner gave all his green juice to his cousin.
Absolutely not. The relative scene was there just to sprinkle in some Asian culture. And the lie was important because it revealed that SC was indeed a killer
He's about 5 years older than her, because he went on his mission when he was 15, then she waited 6 years and left when she was 16. So if she's born in 96, he was born in 90/91, which doesn't track to graduating in 17 and being about 25 in 2024. (He'd be a decade older)
Considering how often them mention ages and numbers, you'd think it would add up cleaner.