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Samsung 980 Pro PCIe 4.0 SSD Family Listed With Blazing Fast 7GB/Sec Read Performance; Up: Sabrent also in the game
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When comparing this, and especially the price of it, with the PS5 internal will have please consider the following.
This is a PRO part (no you do not need PRO gear when being a Gaming Pro), parts like this support daily rewrite of a huge portion of all the storage. Write performance will not be important in SONYs case!
(any solution will be a lot faster than current Console HDs, the small amount of writes can be buffered in the IO-chip RAM - after compression)
This 980 has a maximum available physical size, SONY will not need to care about that, especially not if placed directly on the motherboard (cheapest and less likely to cause future problems). SONY went wide instead with 12 NAND channels - no need to use the latest and greatest (and most expensive) tech.
This is 1TB, SONYs is 825GB (a ~20% saving right there).
This 980 is a retail part meaning that every step in the retail chain wants/needs their share of the price (buy a million of them and you will get a different price). To me it looks like SONY is setting up direct sales channels alternatively very low margin for the first million of units sold (per store) - fits only online stores.
This is a PRO part (no you do not need PRO gear when being a Gaming Pro), parts like this support daily rewrite of a huge portion of all the storage. Write performance will not be important in SONYs case!
(any solution will be a lot faster than current Console HDs, the small amount of writes can be buffered in the IO-chip RAM - after compression)
This 980 has a maximum available physical size, SONY will not need to care about that, especially not if placed directly on the motherboard (cheapest and less likely to cause future problems). SONY went wide instead with 12 NAND channels - no need to use the latest and greatest (and most expensive) tech.
This is 1TB, SONYs is 825GB (a ~20% saving right there).
This 980 is a retail part meaning that every step in the retail chain wants/needs their share of the price (buy a million of them and you will get a different price). To me it looks like SONY is setting up direct sales channels alternatively very low margin for the first million of units sold (per store) - fits only online stores.
Late 2019 when my old mobo died. After I hit post I thought new was being generous.
Yeah, they seem to be very much like car MPG claims.
You only get that fuel efficiency if you drive down a long straight road for 8 hours at 50mph.
To be fair the Microsoft SSD is comparable to SSDs that can currently be bought for about $100 USD on Amazon. It's probably not a massive part cost compared to Sony's bleeding edge one.
When was this confirmed? That's not how Cerny described it during the talk. He talked about replacing drives, not adding expansion to the pre existing drive.
Well, the price is very high. Thus prepare to shuffle games around as you can backup them on external SSD or HDD, even thought you can't play them.
Getting a 2.4GB/s SSD won't give you the same performance than the Xbox SSD. 2.4GB/s is the sustained speed for the consoles SSD.
Yep, 400$ is out of question. The companies wouldn't play chicken forever unless the bad news is the price.Live footage of the $399 PS5 DE dream:
Lmao, true.
It is impossible, because PS3 was a huge mistake, which ate all profits made by PS1 and PS2. Remember they can't sell more than they can produce and if they believe all PS5 will be sold at 500$ than selling at 400$ is a dumb choice. Lowering the price, if your product doesn't sell is always possible.
PC will get some of the goods via Microsoft work for Series X called DirectStorage. I think this will help and imo it's wrong to say PS5 has a huge advantage compared to this SSD, after PC got some of the benefits.
I think games will stay in the same ballpark or get bigger. Devs save space, because duplicated assets aren't necessary anymore. However assets and so on will get bigger.
Cerny said that the SSD is on the board and there will be an expansion slot.
Well this is probably marked up heavily since it's still very niche and the market that will buy it clearly pays premiums. I wouldn't be surprised if this actually cost $100 to make, sold at $400 for 4x profit (well minus retailer cut and any other fees)
I still don't expect PS5 SSD to add more than $75 to BOm ($50-$75ish) since they're ordering 50-100M, and Samsung at best will be making maybe a few million Of these for sale? I'm not an expert of course just my guess.
especially since Samsung doesn't take a cut on anything after the initial sale of this SSD, I imagine that is a big reason why the MSRP would be so high but again idk I'm probably wrong
I'm not sure when it was confirmed, but I don't remember it ever sounding like the drive could be replaced. They have an add on slot. The main storage is soldered to the motherboard. They talked about *expandability* via PCI-E 4.
Sony's solution isn't really bleeding edge. It's simply more expensive. They will use better performing TLC NAND modules and 12 channels.
MS's solution can be achieved with current SSD controllers and QLC NAND modules. The letter is huge benefit for increasing the storage per price quota.
The software needs to use it as best as it can. The benefit of console ssds is that all consoles use them. Very few pc games require an ssd, i expect that to continue for some years
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I highly doubt Sony is ordering 50-100m right away. They need to see how good the PS5 will sell, even thought they can expect the PS5 to be successful. But what if it's not? Let's take the PS3 as a example. Sony didn't order 130 million HDD and if they would have, they would've a big problem.
I don't think Samsung is doing such deals either, because they won't know how much PS5 sells and they are in a good position in the SSD sector. Sure, companies purchasing high volumes will get a good deal. But it's not like Samsung is desperate and accepts everything.
SONYs is smaller, can use slower NAND chips (but more). If the NAND controller is SONYs design they can wait to earn back the development cost.
Edit: mounting chips on mother board is also less expensive than connector, labor, custom heat shield
SONYs SSD might actually be cheaper than Microsofts...
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Sony's SSD is probably quite different from this Samsung pro sku. The type of chips used, the controller and firmware, amount of embedded dram, and needing to package it on a m.2 board vs. direct soldered onto mobo. Also no retail markup. If this SSD says 1tb usable, it probably has at least 10% more overprovisioned.
I suspect the Sony drive costs closer to $90-140 to Sony (not counting r&d) to include in parts costs.
I suspect the Sony drive costs closer to $90-140 to Sony (not counting r&d) to include in parts costs.
People seem to think that stuff on the disk isn't compressed or that processes don't have to be run?
It's not just straight up x byte on disk to x byte on RAM, and the bottlenecks could also be down the line.
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What's the point if this is limited to 1TB ? You have to consider PS5 solution is a 12 channels interface while the Samsung has probably less.
You also have to considered that you have two controller to use (the PS5 one and the SSD one).
So, if you expected to improve performance by bying a 400$ SSD, I think you will be disappointed.
Depending on the type of flash NAND they are using, prices in bulk are substantially lower. I think you can get 32GB of 3D TLC NAND for just under $3, for example, whereas I think this 980 is using 2 layer MLC which is more like 8GB for $2.50. Those are spot prices too; if you're in the market for a few million+ you can get nice bulk discounts from the foundries.
Given that Sony and MS either have their own custom or semi-custom SSD controllers, should be able to get a good balance of price and performance with a flash technology that doesn't break the bank.
Obviously the point is to get an additional 1TB of space for PS5 games, for a total of 1.825 TB.
Well yeah of course it's not set at 50-100M but it's a contract they want because they know there is strong potential for it to hit those marks. The lowest selling Sony home console ever sold 80M+. I'm sure they're getting a better deal than we think and I'm also sure that the SSD maker has some clauses where they get X amount of money should it end up being a Wii U level flop somehow.
On the matter, I am still at this from the digital foundry article :
Have we got any information on the matter I missed ?
I didn't say PS5 had "a huge advantage" and it's been established that PC will benefit from the consoles getting NVMe drives.
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I don't know if there's been any new info but holy shit if it's a replacement that's the stupidest thing ever. It's gonna be like 4 years before a 2tb version of one of these reaches reasonable prices, half way through the gen we can finally upgrade.
It just has to be in addition to.
The 825GB NAND is on the the board. There is no drive to swap out. Any drive that you add will purely be an expansion to the existing SSD.
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Good catch yeah looks like it got taken down, maybe to be updated?
Well, back to the old standby. While he does talk about adding to your storage and a bay in the PS5, that's not necessarily different to how it works in PS3s and PS4s. Going by the slides, it's entirely possible that the PS5 SSD is itself an m.2 drive, with a simple controller and 12 channels of flash. It kinda looks like he's suggesting there's a separate slot, but it might make their I/O controller more complex.
I wouldn't make a definitive statement either way.
https://playstationvr.hateblo.jp/entry/2020/03/30/181003
I wouldn't make a definitive statement either way.
https://playstationvr.hateblo.jp/entry/2020/03/30/181003
I keep seeing people say that. Is there a direct reference someone can quote? A teardown pic? Anything other than assumption? I agree it'd make the most sense, but I don't see any proof of it.
It's definitely soldered on. 1) its a completely unique controller design*, and thermally and cost wise adding it as removable would be insane.
2) *no commercial drive will be laid out like this. So you need a super fast one to match the IO characteristics. And the only way to add stuff aftermarket is with a slot.
Any word on who's actually manufacturing the PS5's NVMe? Micron, Samsung?
I think it's in house from Sony but I'm not sure. Or maybe it's just the I/O solution that's proprietary.
It's likely their own designed controller with third party NAND chips.
Sabrent goes for the jugular
Sabrent Crushes Samsung At Their Own Game: Builds World's Fastest M.2 SSD
Sabrent gave Samsung two days of glory, and crushed them
Damn. That was quick.
Is that a good brand?Sabrent Crushes Samsung At Their Own Game: Builds World's Fastest M.2 SSD
Sabrent gave Samsung two days of glory, and crushed themwww.tomshardware.com
Damn. That was quick.
LolSabrent Crushes Samsung At Their Own Game: Builds World's Fastest M.2 SSD
Sabrent gave Samsung two days of glory, and crushed them
Damn. That was quick.
That's exactly what he says, you can add storage to the PS5 through the bay on the PS5. You don't replace anything.
The Road to PS5
PS5 lead system architect Mark Cerny provides a deep dive into PS5ās system architecture and how it will shape the future of games.
youtu.be
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Damn, let the nand wars begin. Pretty awesome since this will help drive down prices.Sabrent Crushes Samsung At Their Own Game: Builds World's Fastest M.2 SSD
Sabrent gave Samsung two days of glory, and crushed them
Damn. That was quick.
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Sabrent Crushes Samsung At Their Own Game: Builds World's Fastest M.2 SSD
Sabrent gave Samsung two days of glory, and crushed them
Damn. That was quick.
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These bad boys plus nvidias new io tech and Microsofts direct storage api are gonna make for some seriously awesome couple of years in pc gaming, I really hope game makers start making ssds be required for minimum specs at least sata ones, rip the band aid
Well, just because it's under the same corporate umbrella, it doesn't mean there cannot be conflicts between the management of different divisions of the company... With such large companies dealing in many products, the divisions may as well be different entities in some regards.