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Big differences. There were only 537 votes seperating Bush and Gore in Florida, the state that decided the 2000 election. All Al Gore was trying to get was a hand recount, which the US Supreme Court blocked. There were two states in the hand recount margin in the 2020 election, Georgia and Wisconsin. Trump got two recounts in Georgia, and he could have had all of Wisconsin recounted, but chose to only a few counties due to the cost of the recount being on the Trump campaign.
The actions, existence and dogma of the fundamentalist christian/Q-anon party absolutely sickens me. No one is safe from this until it is stopped. This is the decline of America, fascists gaining full control and not realizing they cannot govern with their dogma and the country breaks apart or becomes subjugated by another nation. That is just a theory of what could happen. I'm hopeful we can come together (the left, not talking bi-partisanship) and fix things for the betterment of the citizens.
Exactly the main reason those folks who stormed the Capitol need to be held accountable, not a slap on the hand. These other idiots need to relearn what's right from wrong....or at least accept it.
It's happening across the world. US was maybe the most blatant example but you've got countries like Poland, Hungary and India descending into this at various speeds. There is also Brexit.
Even in Canada, our "conservative" party is running on a slogan of "Take Back Canada".
You're right, it is so easy to forget this is spreading throughout the world.
This is why I'm not meeting them in the middle, republicans are so far gone that they've lost the plot. Republicans are straight up the party of American facism. "When they show you who they're really are, believe them".
The crazies now have control of the party and because Republicans tend to be more monolithic with their vote and "hold their nose" and vote for the person with the R next to their name as the party goes so they go, too. I see it play out in my own family. They aren't Q adherents and even repeat the line "Oh I can't stand what Trump says", but when it comes to brass tacks they vote for him and anyone else that is an R.
Don't dismiss what i'm saying as both sides bullshit. Thats lazy. I was responding to the poster saying "It's crazy to me that before Trump election fraud wasn't even a thought in most peoples minds." Election fraud was always a thing on peoples minds. I was an avid 2600 reader in the 2000's and people were claiming democrat votes were being changed to republican votes on electronic voting machines. Election fraud isn't new - sorry if you can't handle that assertion. Its a claim that i've heard personally from all kinds of normal people who voted against Bush. Pretending like election fraud claims is something new is wrong and it ignores at least 2 previous elections that I witnessed. The fact is election fraud claims aren't new. They me be more pervasive now and I think its because dumb people spread misinformation to other dumb people on facebook. I never once claimed both sides are the same. Its so fucking annoying you can't say anything even remotely critical of the left without the "BoTh SiDeS iS bUlLsHiT" brigade coming out.
Violent conflict isn't a matter of if, but when.
That a majority of the opposing party supports a coup is ominous to put it mildly.
That a majority of the opposing party supports a coup is ominous to put it mildly.
The are the American version of the Taliban.
Was predicted many years ago by slightly less crazy republicans.
At this point in America if you use the words; the constitution, our founding father's, patriotism, law & order, it means jack shit when it comes from the mouth of a conservative/republican.
Oh that's been done before too
When fictional news says what real news won't
Claims of election fraud aren't new whatsoever and is something that certainly transcends political boundaries, but the difference in pretexts behind the complaints of 2000 and 2020 are night and day. Nothing is similar except the losers getting mad and claiming fraud. However, you can actually debate 2000 within the realm of fact.
57% of Republicans believe that Qanon is either true or they aren't sure.
FIFTY SEVEN PERCENT.
lol it's completely ridiculous to compare 2000 to now.
never forget
www.businessinsider.com
www.gq.com
and roger stone was responsible in 2000 and in 2020.
never forget
The insurrection on Capitol Hill directly descends from the legacy of the Brooks Brothers riot and Bush v. Gore
The Brooks Brothers riot in 2000 created a new blueprint for electoral disputes that deployed violence to intimidate officials into discarding votes.
www.businessinsider.com
The Brooks Brothers Riot, the J.C. Penney Skirmish, and the Changing Republican Uniform
A “fashionable” 20-year-old protest is newly relevant.
and roger stone was responsible in 2000 and in 2020.
Ya'll really gotta stop saying this. This isn't remotely new or because of Trump.
Nah, I was blissfully ignorant of the world in middle school when GWB was president lol.
White people, especially white men, are a lost cause. We need to progress with or without them. I fear though that civil war may be the only solution.
Goldwater may be the GOP goblin most responsible for the party's direction. There's an argument to be made for Nixon, Palin (yes, really; she was a foreshadowing of the Tea Party) or Reagan but this is not someone i'd use a quote for in regards to "lo, the GOP of the past is no more" when he is the reason why they became the party of bigots and buffoons.
Was predicted many years ago by slightly less crazy republicans.
That's why I thought he'd be the perfect poster boy.
He got the ball rolling and thought he could control the nut jobs but in the end his prediction became true.
Except "God" had clearly been usurped by Trump.
Was predicted many years ago by slightly less crazy republicans.
Tough words from a dude who's version of conservatism opened the floodgates for racist southern democrats to have a major seat of power in the Republican Party. He's saying "I'm with these shitheads, not those basically identical shitheads"
Was predicted many years ago by slightly less crazy republicans.
What I want to see is a poll asking registered party voters if they endorse violence against their political opponents 'in certain situations'
Anticipating 66% 'Yes' among Republicans and 15% among Democrats
Anticipating 66% 'Yes' among Republicans and 15% among Democrats
Same. The only solutions I can think of are fash as fuck, like using GOP-style disenfranchisement on their base. Or we could recruit thousands upon thousands of non-white 'poll watchers' to stare down the white folks in deep red areas, similar to what they did last year.
The only serious solution I have is to keep enthusiasm as high as possible, election after election, until the boomers have mostly died off. Even then we'll have to wait and find out what fresh hell awaits us in the ageing Gen X mindset.
a silver lining that 2020 wasn't a complete blowout. historically the ebb and flow is violent
theoretically the GOP is losing its cancerous grip on the lever slowly rather than democrats going whole hog immediately and voters being pissed AF everything wasn't magically changed within 2 years
As I suspected, mainly older people. Mainly white. Mainly those with no further education than high school.
These Republicans are playing their hand. Good luck in the future. I'm only worried about the violent ones. It is very much mob mentality. Also worth considering more people are registering as Democrat or Independent than Republican.
I'm not going to read too much into it, since I'm sure even those that voted they thought Trump was right don't believe the protests should have turned violent.
Regardless, keep in mind if only 30% identify as Republicans 70% while seeming large is around 20% of the overall vote. And keep in mind, again not all of them agree with the violence.
So while it is concerning, it is more a sign that the Republican party has become a pack of ignorant, out of touch, fools. With time hopefully they'll lift their blinders.
These Republicans are playing their hand. Good luck in the future. I'm only worried about the violent ones. It is very much mob mentality. Also worth considering more people are registering as Democrat or Independent than Republican.
I'm not going to read too much into it, since I'm sure even those that voted they thought Trump was right don't believe the protests should have turned violent.
Regardless, keep in mind if only 30% identify as Republicans 70% while seeming large is around 20% of the overall vote. And keep in mind, again not all of them agree with the violence.
So while it is concerning, it is more a sign that the Republican party has become a pack of ignorant, out of touch, fools. With time hopefully they'll lift their blinders.
I Guess some folks are waking up to it but youre exactly right. This shit is as old as America itself.