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Phil Spencer: XGS titles for the “next couple of years” will be cross-gen
- Thread starter RoKKeR
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They've already shown what's possible on a next gen only Spider-Man game and I expect those elements to be in Miles Morales.
Consumer friendly practices should be celebrated but instead we have console warring and fanboy concern trolling over games being held back when that simply isn't going to happen.
Okay - that's great. But what you're saying is there was no game the came out in the first 2 years of the PS4/Xbox One cycle that could be run on it's predecessor?
Xbox has had this as a long term strategy deployed only on it's first party studios. So I'm sure they have provided suitable funding/resources to deliver on this while still not holding back say - halo infinite.
So again I ask - how on earth is this a big deal or contentious thing to do?
It's pro consumer. Well done Xbox.
Sure games are scalable. But games right now are having trouble running on base PS4 and Xbox one.
Do you really think Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart could've been designed that way if it had to run on a PS4?
Tools and engines won't even be ready to make use of a lot of that until almost this late anyways
Unreal Engine 5 doesn't have a full release until late in 2021
This whole conversation is stupidity
You should tell that for Medium devs, I think they don't know games are scalable and old hardware don't hold it back.
If talking about launch windows: Infamous Second Son. Great game and very enjoyable.
As it shipped on ps4, of course not, but it could have been down ported with lesser assets.
Probably to take advantage of the new systems' SSDs. I'd imagine that Capcom's other AAA games (SFVI, Next Versus Game, MH6/MHW2, RE4R, RE9, Itsuno's Next Game, etc.) will also be next-gen only, with their legacy collections & AA games like Mega Man continuing to release on everything (including Switch).
Will be interesting to see whether the game actually requires a SSD on PC or not. And what the PC spec requirements are.You should tell that for Medium devs, I think they don't know games are scalable and old hardware don't hold it back.
I swear Sony better not adopt this strategy, I want my next gen exclusives, I've had PS4 for 6 years, people who buy PS4 now have 7 years of amazing content to play but please don't rob future PS5 owners from experiencing titles that can only be possible with the PS5. I respect what MS doing, game pass is amazing value proposition but no next gen exclusives from 1st party doesn't appeal to me at all.
PS4/XB1 didn't come with revolutionary I/O, for starters. The CPU jump wasn't great either.
If it has no effect, then why is there a cutoff date? Make every game play on a One S then.
We knew about the no Series X exclusives stuff, but this is a nice way of spinning the "no exclusives for 2 years" part lol:
Anyway, looking forward to the 23rd, gotta try and find a cheap Gold sub so that I can start building a backlog.
Anyway, looking forward to the 23rd, gotta try and find a cheap Gold sub so that I can start building a backlog.
VERY better, you mean.
Shadow Fall sure would not be possible on a PS3, lol. Unless you doubt the devs. there was also the possibility of 64 players, real time OS running on the background. there were many, many next gen features like, day one.
well I would like my DS4 to work on PS5 but I don't want PS5 games held back by having to work on a DS4. Yes, 99% of items should play the same but with the improved rumble and resistive triggers I'd much rather have games tailored to Dual Sense.
their crossgen approach is good for me because I don't have to buy a next gen Xbox for 2-3 years since I only play Xbox for exclusives so I'm happy there. Will be fine with ps5 + switch + Xbox one S. But many of us, I'd argue maybe even the majority of next gen early adopters, would be happiest with games that get the most out of their $500 investments and are not possible on 2013 Xbox One at the least.
It does give new opportunities if it's a third party next gen only (Xbox Series + PS5) game I would imagine so, but yeah I get your point.
The only thing that fucks with this strategy imo is Lockheart. The current gen consoles offer a cheaper entry point for the first two years at least. Surely something like Lockheart would make more sense to launch in 2 years time?
I'm not disputing your theoretical benefits of the SSD.
What we've seen in practice at the PS5 showcase paints a different picture. The vast majority of games on display used the SSD to eliminate load times. Stuff like Returnal and Deathloop are using it to facilitate fast Respawns after each death.
Designs like this will shine on next gen hardware, but will still work on older hardware, with compromises. Heck, Deathloop is launching on PC at the same time with PS5. I'll bet anything it'll still work on HDDs.
I see this as a mistake. It only makes people less interested in buying your console. No one is going to read this and say "You know what, I'm more excited to get a Series X than I was before!"
Its a ps4 game with some more content - and they are artificially limiting it to ps5
I guess some on this forum like being taken for a ride like that
Ok but what's stopping it from running on PS4? Nothing they talked about last gen Spider-Man running on ps5 takes away from it being playable on ps4
And do you know why MS first party specifically will be supporting Xbox One for the next couple years? xCloud.
Until they transition the server blades to XSX SoCs, MS first party will continue to build games that support Xbox One since xCloud is built on Xbox One S SoCs currently.
Doesn't mean we won't see 3rd party XSX only titles, in fact we already are but the last 2 generations of console launches have been full of cross gen titles and that won't be changing here. The majority of titles for the next year+ will be crossgen.
You can believe it's that way around, but it's being designed around the XB1 and its limitations, and will obviously be "optimised" for Series X, as is the tagline. I don't believe what they showed was XB1 footage, but it doesn't really look next-gen.
I assumed it would be compatible, will the DS4 not work on the PS5?
No, I think you need to re-read my post. I was granting there may well have been - and of course there was! - but it's a point asides from why it's 'a good thing' that devs can move on to higher baselines.
And I would say it's only contentious if it's being adopted as policy across all projects, with a MS-controlled mandate around when this starts and ends. If it's happening because devs are able to do it - and if MS devs can move on to next-gen only projects when they wish - then it shouldn't be so contentious.
Um, I just said they've shown what's possible in a next gen Spider-Man experience that's not possible on PS4. You can't swing any faster on a HDD.
AC Unity, Warframe, The Witcher 3, Batman AK, Fallout 4, inFamous Second Son/First Light, Driveclub, Bloodborne...the list can go on.
I guess because if you already own a Xbox One, why would you pay 500$ to play the same games? The Xbox One X haven't sold that much and this will be a similar situation. People who really cares about graphics probably have a PC where they can play the same games.
And for those who don't own a Xbox One, I don't see how they will be convinced to buy a XSX unless there's some amazing games which can't be played anywhere else.
Personally there's not enough games I am interested in to justify buying a Xbox. But if there's a cheap streaming box, I would be more interested I think.
Some crossgen games in the past:
- Zelda: Breath of the Wild
- Rise of the Tomb Raider
- Alien Isolation
- MGSV
- Zelda: Twlight Princess
- Titanfall
- The Evil Within
- Destiny
- Wolfenstein The New Order
- Battlefield 4
- Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
- GTA V
- Watch Dogs
- Tomb Raider 2013
- King Kong
- Call of Duty 3
- COD Advance Warfare
- Rayman Legends
- Black Ops 3
- Dragon Age Inquisition
- Splinter Cell Double Agent
- Zelda: Breath of the Wild
- Rise of the Tomb Raider
- Alien Isolation
- MGSV
- Zelda: Twlight Princess
- Titanfall
- The Evil Within
- Destiny
- Wolfenstein The New Order
- Battlefield 4
- Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
- GTA V
- Watch Dogs
- Tomb Raider 2013
- King Kong
- Call of Duty 3
- COD Advance Warfare
- Rayman Legends
- Black Ops 3
- Dragon Age Inquisition
- Splinter Cell Double Agent
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Exactly. I can't believe some people aren't grasping this lol. It's not just about scaling up/down the resolution and framerate.
Isn't this the same thing Matt Booty originally said, that for the first couple of years (2 years) XGS games would work on original Xbox One/ One S/ One X?
Holiday 2020 to Holiday 2021 is 1 year.
Holiday 2021 to Holiday 2022 is 2 years
So don't expect games that only run on Series X, Series S (Lockhart) and PC until 2023. Meaning games where an Zen 2, 4 to 12 TFLOPs and an SSD are the baseline specs, that are not possible on the Xbox One with its 1.3 TFLOPs, Jaguar cores and slow HDD.
Holiday 2020 to Holiday 2021 is 1 year.
Holiday 2021 to Holiday 2022 is 2 years
So don't expect games that only run on Series X, Series S (Lockhart) and PC until 2023. Meaning games where an Zen 2, 4 to 12 TFLOPs and an SSD are the baseline specs, that are not possible on the Xbox One with its 1.3 TFLOPs, Jaguar cores and slow HDD.
Not only that - but also pc gaming is going to have to move to pcie ssd's in order to allow them to target next gen only
That is going to take a while
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LOL!!
Cutting off 100 million consoles so spiderman can "swing faster".
This is still a perfectly reasonable answer/plan, and one that serves the widest range of players. He also doesn't say this includes all their games. There's also the infrastructure element, because they have services that use existing Xbox hardware as servers.
Not trying to be snide, but think about what number "a couple" refers to.
Not trying to be snide, but think about what number "a couple" refers to.
Every gen this happens, games won't take full advantage of the new hardware for 5'ish years, and outside of ssd gimmicks like teleporting it'll scale down just fine. If a 1st party xbox dev comes to Matt and Phil and says "we need next gen only for this" then it'll be next-gen only. They simply know they can scale down 99% of the games being made right now.
What I saw was tiny snippets of different worlds in a tightly scripted set piece. That could absolutely happen on PS4.
I can't imagine anyone that bought a PS4 in 2018 for Spider Man will be thrilled that they'll have to buy a $400-$500 console to play the (kinda) sequel in 2020.
i think its wrong to label anyone with concern a troll. this is great news to me a Xbox one s owner who's waiting on series x but there's other xbox fans who feel worries and that's fine.
The character models could easily be scaled down, the point is the dimension jumping that wouldn't be feasible on current gen, no matter how they dowgraded the graphics.
Insomniac have talked about the limitations of the PS4 and how they worked around it. Please research the topic your commenting on.