I think he makes a really important observation. Compare the current situations in Japan and Italy when it comes to the elderly and the link seems reasonable.
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Was at the hospital today with my wife (pregnancy check up, deemed necessary by Doc) and the staff was talking about how they have to turn away folks who want tests even if they have clear symptoms because they simply don't have enough and have to ration based on most vulnerable.
Where are all these mythical tests?
I know there are several immigrants to the US on era and I've been surprised at the fact that USCIS is being partially flexible right now. I'm already naturalized but they still send the odd text alert because I'm signed up to their e-filing Service for my GOES/Global Entry card and they've been relatively proactive in announcing flexibility for folks who owe documents or signatures. I'd assumed that pending immigration would be more negatively affected- although I'm positive there'll also be horror stories emerging at this scale of event.
And I've been super impressed by Alaska Airlines customer service- they followed up twice personally to help me cancel and refund a complicated trip.
And I've been super impressed by Alaska Airlines customer service- they followed up twice personally to help me cancel and refund a complicated trip.
That's why I said it feels like hopeful speculation. The person who I heard it from is Italian-Argentino, so it's not like it's coming from a place of racism. People are just spitballing ideas.
Italy was first, but the spread of the disease there has not matched many other nations even when accounting for the time lag. There's definitely other stuff at play.
There's no way of knowing this but compare Italy and even Washington in the US and it really seems like COVID mutated into a more lethal strain as it migrated to Europe. In Washington the outbreak started in senior centers and we aren't seeing the kind of spread that European countries have.
if trump says one more time "i wish china would have told us earlier, and warn us" im going to punch my TV screen lol SMH
Ah, yes, a ship with 1k people on it. That's useful data.
I feel bad for discrimination of Chinese around all of this. People can be assholes sometimes (all the time).
I understand wanting to acknowledge where the virus originated, but labeling it as such just points the blame finger little too broadly at China. Yes, wet markets there are a HUGE problem, and I am hopeful the severity of this outbreak might finally lead to permanent bans on some level. But let's not fool ourselves, there are other places in the world doing similar practices and it is only a matter of time before those areas risk growing in size to the point that a virus outbreak is possible, especially is the China markets vanish.
We need a full out ban, world wide, of this kind of market and some sort of help for countries that economically rely on it so heavily. Yes China markets in particular are a huge problem based on size and popularity, and SHOULD be shut down or pressured to be shut down by the International community. But not JUST China...everywhere (for the reason I stated above).
Sorry... done venting :P
I understand wanting to acknowledge where the virus originated, but labeling it as such just points the blame finger little too broadly at China. Yes, wet markets there are a HUGE problem, and I am hopeful the severity of this outbreak might finally lead to permanent bans on some level. But let's not fool ourselves, there are other places in the world doing similar practices and it is only a matter of time before those areas risk growing in size to the point that a virus outbreak is possible, especially is the China markets vanish.
We need a full out ban, world wide, of this kind of market and some sort of help for countries that economically rely on it so heavily. Yes China markets in particular are a huge problem based on size and popularity, and SHOULD be shut down or pressured to be shut down by the International community. But not JUST China...everywhere (for the reason I stated above).
Sorry... done venting :P
I think I have read that guy was tested negative. So at this moment they still have no clue how patient 1 got it.
Either that or: the 20.000 doctors that were sent from all over the Country to Wuhan; the mega hospital they built; the differences in demographics. I don't know what to believe, but if China's numbers are real, they did an incredible job.
I have a friend who hasn't been able to be tested but had awful diarrhea for over a week and was told he likely has it and is in isolation...also now difficult breathing...keep an eye on it and be safe
The bolded statements are mutually exclusive. 300 million people cannot get a virus with >5% hospitalisation within 1-2 years without the health system collapsing many times over,.
Wait until Karen finds out the virus doesn't care about parliamentary procedure.
And 793 more deaths in Italy... I'm going back to bed.
The double-think for supporters must be some AMAZING mental gymnastics and I'd love to see the brainwave patterns. To simultaneously hold "He knew it was a pandemic before it was a pandemic" with "China should have warned us earlier, we were caught off guard because of the foreigners" and not see how these ideas totally contradict each other is some Next-Level brainwashing.
Thanks for the info. I'm already on Hydroxychloroquinine for RA, so hopefully that helps in some way if I do infact happen to be infected.
I think the reason China was able to control it was that they built those additional hospitals and brought in 40,000 extra healthcare people. Plus they locked it down harder, swifter, and earlier in the outbreak then Italy has done. I also would expect China's extensive contact tracing to be much better by using GPS and WeChat history, much like SK has used texts. Add in to that the extensive and mandatory mask usage everywhere. China also has more recent history of fighting this style of virus and in pandemic planning, with there SARS, and Bird Flu history.
This thing is gonna ravage USA and Europe, the lockdowns are half hearted there are no masks and the governments can act the same as they can in China. Already you have big US cities giving up on testing and contact tracing, it's not gonna be pretty, hopefully the USA population density should help.
This thing is gonna ravage USA and Europe, the lockdowns are half hearted there are no masks and the governments can act the same as they can in China. Already you have big US cities giving up on testing and contact tracing, it's not gonna be pretty, hopefully the USA population density should help.
The different strains are still very much up to debate, haven't read anything definitive about that. Obviously age plays a big part, which was also an issue in diamond princess.
South Korea didn't shut down their public transit en masse. They locked down Daegu pretty hard (leaving), but that's about it as far as I'm aware.
Here's a good representation of the infected areas (would also map closely to the population centers of NJ fwiw):
Most of the UK still has buses and trains running. The tube is running some sort of service in London.
I did. My daughter is staying her mom, in Connecticut (United States). I live in New York and the amount of cases here are insane. I thought it lll be better for her to stay there. Less exposure for both of us. Video chat and animal crossing is helping.
yup .
I'm way past mincing words. What we are doing is unacceptable. People need to be at home otherwise millions will die.
Then you need to increase capacity fast or stay in a state of almost total shutdown until a vaccine is available.
Jesus, those are horrible numbers. Really hope those numbers go down soon :(
Because Italy was one of first countries to get it after China and they waited a long time to take action. I don't buy any other explanation that Italians are dirty or aging population. Half of European countries have as old population as Italy, give or take a few years. Italy is like a preview of what will happen across Europe, USA, etc in the coming months.
We desperately need to adopt widespread mask usage asap in Europe and US.
And yet celebrities and politicians seem to be able to get them without any problem even if they don't have symptoms.
I mean, China's a fucking big country. You're gonna get a lot of diseases starting there just because there's so many people, many of them still in impoverished conditions (Which is where serious outbreaks virtually always start).
I don't have any masks and I don't even know what masks I should get, where I can buy them from, and how to use them properly. I hope we will get educated on that soon and that we can buy them. Even if they reduce the chances to catch the virus or spread it by a little bit, it would be worth it.
The 2017/18 flu season which lasted 19 weeks accounted for over 61,000 deaths in the US, that's on average 460 deaths a day, at its peak it had to be over 1,000 a day. Not downplaying this virus, I know it's going to get much worse, worried about the numbers we will see here in the coming weeks. Just trying to understand how hospitals are already struggling.
Even with an immediate response, instead of censoring it like China did, I don't think this could've been contained, it originated from a market, just imagine how many people were infected, many of them infected other people without knowing, the incubation period id 14 days, by the time the first patient went to a hospital and they discovered the new virus, it was probably already all around Wuhan.
This is why even in the West countries underestimated the virus despite having more time to prepare.
The racism is going to be bad for all the Asian people in general, because to a lot of Western people all Asians are Chinese.
Simple gauze surgical masks are in high supply and potentially limit spread of pathogens from the wearer. Wearing them even if you're not showing symptoms seems like good common courtesy.
N95 masks and other respirators that actually protect you from the virus? We don't want people buying those. At all. Those are high priority for medical professionals and severely at-risk patients.
People forget the deaths you mentioned are still happening. It's the additional amount of sick people that is the problem. Why do people not understand this.
The high lethality in Italy is caused by a high average age of the infected and an overwhelmed healthcare system.
In Germany, where the same strand of the virus spreads as in Italy, the lethality is extraordinarily low, because most infected are young people who imported it from skiing trips in Tyrol and because the healthcare system is still able to keep up.
Also, social distancing will only have an effect on case numbers in about 10-14 days.
The US is nowhere near the amount of necessary testing to be able to even recognize a flattening trend in their curve.
I wouldn't interpret anything into those Washington State numbers.
Because the hospitals are already dealing with the flu season.
The mayor is a fucking bitch (and a Republican) and wouldn't allow the other board member to speak (the gentlemen on her left, who is a Democrat)
When he kept pushing the issue, she shut down the meeting like the pathetic bitch that she is.
In addition to that, my gut tells me that the number of infected in the USA right now is way higher than the numbers would indicate because thry weren't and still aren't testing early and often enough which means the death rate is probably even lower reinforcing this idea that the strain here is weaker.
Having said that I don't know enough about Italy's testing history tho maybe it was the same situation over there.
Yup, now imagine piling on the Covid patients on top of those flu patients, and remember that said covid patients will take at least 2 weeks to get better. Fun times.
Thank You!
Do I throw them away when I for example did my shopping in the supermarket?