If we assume that both consoles will release in November 2020, when does mass production of these consoles has to start?
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I mean, you were pretty confident in answering what you thought the reason wasn't.
What do you think the answer is? This is a speculation thread, after all.
But I'm still curious though...so you're saying that exciting shareholders and potential shareholders before the end of the fiscal year, which probably drives up stock price, is not a thing?
You don't convince non technical people (the majority of console gamers) with technology.
Even a lot of people here struggle to see the benefit of SSD. That's why the focus is on TF, raw power, instead of efficiency.
So it will be mostly about features and games. The latter being the biggest assets of PlayStation.
SONY will clearly not going for a PC like form factor.
But the more I think of it, the more I think they will used some sort of V shape like the dev kit.
Increasing investor confidence at any time drives up the stock price. There's nothing special about doing that at the end of the FY.
The FY report is where they do things like report whether they met their projections for PS4 sales over the last FY. Meeting their projections is more important than "exciting" investors with a big PS5 presentation.
All of you talking about the github leak like it' s some kind of gospel and because of it everything is set in stone, we are lacking a TON of information yet. I believe that even if the github leak is true and ps5 is indeed 9,2 tf, we don't know anything about the other aspects of it, which is very important. The horsepower that the gpu has must be accompanied with the appropriate memory bandwith, cpu etc. to truly shine. Teraflops aren't everything and I can't understand the obsession of this thread with them. Games are far more important. Think of it like this, the console is the car and the games are the fuel. Doesn't matter if the car is a beast if it has no fuel to move. ;)
Every time Richard pronounces, "Wolfenstein", I can't help take his intonation as a dig towards Alex- The man who pronounces the name as it was intended.
I do think they don't want to get in the way of TLOU2 and signal the end too clearly yet, whether they have 8-9tf or 12-13tf. All the hype has got to be the PS4 is still trucking and give this potential huge seller the best chance and focus.
Or maybe they know they have to announce more and instead of doing it now they have a theory of just having them closer, bite the bullet and keep PlayStation in the news for the last big game and new console, take over the news cycle with both?
Or maybe they know they have to announce more and instead of doing it now they have a theory of just having them closer, bite the bullet and keep PlayStation in the news for the last big game and new console, take over the news cycle with both?
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From a speculation standpoont?
I think Sony is evaluating if they can actualy launch in 2020 and until they are 100% sure, they are gonna stay silentm
Here's the thing, you would likely need about 3x the processing power to play the same game in 1080P/30fps as you would 4K/60fps.
That being said, if Lockhart exists and both the X and S series play the same games that probably means all those extra Tflops are just going to run a run a game on a 4Tflop machine in 4K/60.
I would be interested to see how a PS5 checkerboard/30fps game would compare to XSX.
Most likely because they don't want to be reactionary. They probably have a carefully laid out plan concerning next gen that they don't want to deviate from that best keeps them in the spotlight in the lead up to release. They were very good at this this gen afterall. We might simply be too far from launch for them to start that ball rolling in any significant way. Because let's face it. Announcing the existence of a PS5 in a wired interview and a very similar looking logo are about as obvious as announcements get. They haven't really started this process properly yet imo.
And I wouldn't be surprised if they went for a shorter, but more relentless flow of news over the span of say 6 months up to the launch at the end of the year. People seem to love that approach regarding games after all and it keeps people talking about their system and builds hype continuously...and that's the key...it's a continuous curve upwards of excitement.
MS's approach is nice for us to talk about on a forum. But if you looked at how much its next gen console was talked about I'd imagine a graph would have a few peaks where they dropped information and long valleys where they're quiet for months. It doesn't really build any sort of momentum this far out from release imo. It's interesting for a day or so and then you stop caring because it's still almost a year away.
Slightly off topic, but Ghost of Tsushima is a lot like that too. It's little bits of information separated by long bouts of silence and as a result I'm struggling to get excited.
Most people who wants to play TLoU2 won't upgrade before at least one year. Early adopters will still buy it on PS4 AND buy the PS5.
And there is a big chance no next gen only launch title will be at VGA. It is often OK games at best (baring Knack of course).
Parts? Some of them maybe.
The assembly chains? Not before summer. Not before we saw the box. You don't store millions of boxes for a lot of times, it is too costly.
I worked retail for 35 years at Toys "R" Us and was involved with every launch of consoles since the Nintendo NES. As I continued my career I was more heavily involved in meetings/CES/E3 visits with companies about new games/consoles. A console official reveal has NOTHING to do with retail and has in the past ZERO impact on retailers being prepared. Retailers don't give a shit about TF performance or anything like that. What we did care about is launch date, pricing and number of games/accessories and then working out with the vendors where to merchandise the product. On top of that the other MAJOR factor was product allocation/splits. We always tried to get as much of the pie as we could when it came to major titles/new consoles.
On the retail side of things, it was mainly phone calls and 1 on 1 meetings with the hardware manufactures. Back in the day CES/E3 was important to retail as that was a very easy way to have meetings with everyone in one location. That is what I enjoyed the most is being able to meet face to face with vendors and get information to better inform senior leadership on what is coming and what can we do to get maximum allocations from the vendors. Console reveals for retailers was a big nothing for us...it was more about getting us information about the size of the boxes, the number of games, accessories etc. so we can plan out the space to put this stuff and how we display them in-store.
It depends on how many they want to have for launch, full stop.
Consoles that have launched in the late-November timeframe have gone into production around midsummer in the past. That's about the latest I can envision before it starts to make more sense to delay to build up a bigger launch supply, though to be honest I think these consoles will be supply-constrained no matter what. Unlike with some electronics, it's not economically viable to put big console boxes on planes, so they have to go on boats.
When I say delay, I don't necessarily mean until 2021, although that's possible. A two or three week delay into early December could make a meaningful difference on available quantities at launch.
"Graphic novels", pshh - such an uncouth name for works of pictoral literature.
Umm did everyone forget that Sony announced the PS4 in February 2013 and dropped TLOU in June 2013? Games have nothing to do with why Sony is choosing to be quiet now. It's more than likely Sony had planned to start talking about it, but Coronavirus threw everything in flux.
And basically every other game Sony released for PS3 in 2013 underperformed. We can go round and round like this.
February never made sense for the PS5 reveal. It wasn't delayed.
It is too late. Consoles sales (PS and Xbox) has decreased a lot in 2019 and accelerate quite a bit since Q4.
SONY not being at E3 last year saying they have nothing new to show since 2018 was the end signal.
This time you will be able to play those games on next gen.
This is not the same situation.
But Sony wants to sell those games now. They don't want people to wait to buy them because they'll look prettier on PS5.
But they know there are people who will do so. I'm not saying that Sony delayed the reveal (I still think they weren't planning on saying anything until April anyway), but with the GDC and Pax East pullouts, it's clear things have changed with Sony's plans as of late.
Of course, but Sony doesn't want to encourage more people to wait.
I certainly don't see how pulling out of two major events due to a global health crisis would cause Sony to accelerate their plans. If it was April before, it's not going to be March now.
I agree. That was why I was originally on Team2019, thinking about what they did in 2013. But if Corona effected their PS5 reveal, maybe it effected everything they were doing this year marketing wise.
If that is the case, what does Sony do.
Sony is about to do a PS5 reveal, then probably ramp up marketing for TLoU 2.
Also in 2013 I don't think they knew it was gonna be that big of a success. Look at how they are treating Dreams marketing. Different type of game but still. At least GoT is later.
I agree, not saying it's interfering. Just that they have other things to focus on too.
Let's keep it simple : 12.1TF. I was reading though Klee's posts, sad people couldn't leave him alone.
Mass production on the PS4 started in June, when they planned a staggered console release. They've already hinted at a universal release for the PS5. If their plans haven't changed on that, I'd think they'd have to begin production much earlier than summertime.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I quite honestly don't agree with anything that I have quoted here..
Except the part about selling ps4s. Just that everyone has been saying games, now it is morphing into games selling consoles.
Anyway, we'll leave it at that.
Of course games sell consoles.
I don't think saying that Sony wants to sell copies of The Last of Us 2, and also hopes that TLOU2 will move PS4 consoles, is really going out on a limb, or evidence of anyone "morphing" their story or whatever.
But resetera, I guess. I never knew "Sony wants to sell their hardware and software products that are on the market in the first ten months of the year" would be such a controversial take.
I don't think saying that Sony wants to sell copies of The Last of Us 2, and also hopes that TLOU2 will move PS4 consoles, is really going out on a limb, or evidence of anyone "morphing" their story or whatever.
But resetera, I guess. I never knew "Sony wants to sell their hardware and software products that are on the market in the first ten months of the year" would be such a controversial take.
Some of the most successful electronics in the world announce within a few weeks of delivery, within a few days of being able to pre-order.
Not saying Sony is going to do that; but within a few months is plenty of time... close to pre-order availability would maximize hype.
Or they'll announce details next week; nobody really knows.. they are going to sell out every unit they produce for some time most likely either way, so not quite sure what any of you think they are losing out on by waiting a while.
Not saying Sony is going to do that; but within a few months is plenty of time... close to pre-order availability would maximize hype.
Or they'll announce details next week; nobody really knows.. they are going to sell out every unit they produce for some time most likely either way, so not quite sure what any of you think they are losing out on by waiting a while.
They're showing that they're scared of the excel spreadsheet with the XSX specs, or something.
It just sounds funny to me the theory that Sony is not promoting the PS5 because they want to sell more current-gen games, which in turn promotes the selling of more PS4's. I know they want to sell games this year, but I think PS5 sales have priority this year over PS4 sales.
You just can't drop it lol
We have had pages for the last couple of days saying that they don't want to mess with the marketing of their games, then you just turned it into "games selling consoles".
Also, I saw you just post up the page that all of the other ps3 games under-performed except TLOU. What games ( GT took a hit because it came after ps4 perhaps) are you talking about? What were their sales expectations pre-launch?
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And we covered the financial statement earlier in the thread, here is the full quote that got people thinking they are "Revealing the product" on the same timeline:
"Comparable to the past"; Sony didn't put any Playstation info in their April 2013 guidance, and hadn't announced price yet:
So the statement is likely meaningless to us gamers.. they announced price at E3 in June of 2013, guidance to investors likely came near then too.. someone can go through their financial statements if they want.
But it's gonna be stuff like how much revenue they expect to generate, not product details.
"Comparable to the past"; Sony didn't put any Playstation info in their April 2013 guidance, and hadn't announced price yet:
So the statement is likely meaningless to us gamers.. they announced price at E3 in June of 2013, guidance to investors likely came near then too.. someone can go through their financial statements if they want.
But it's gonna be stuff like how much revenue they expect to generate, not product details.
Thanks for this. So what do you make of this Shawn Layden quote then?
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So I am playing game pass Hellblade. Not so impressed with the enhanced visuals setting lol, but if next gen comes out anything like Project Mara or what we saw in Senua's new trailer that is going to be so insane. I take it I should be playing this game with headphones due to stereo audio. Still sounds pretty good on my 7.1 system with Neural X. To be fair I am seeing most console graphics as old and dated at this point. Next gen can't come soon enough. Is Gears supposed to be 1X's best "looker"?
IIRC Lisa Su already stated console chip production starts in Q2 and will go full-on in Q3. This was before corona though.
That event didn't take place this year unfortunately. At least, not run by Sony
Making a final point and then announcing "we'll leave it at that" and leaving no room for any sort of rebuttal is just bad form.
How are those mutually exclusive? They want to sell games to existing console owners. They also want to sell consoles on the strength of those games. Why are you taking issue with this, or presenting it as some sort of spin or dodge? They're practically non-statements.
I swear I feel like I'm having a stroke here sometimes. Those are both not only perfectly compatible statements, they're both obviously true. Selling consoles to play games and then selling more games to owners of those consoles is basically the entire console business.
We can debate the impact of revealing the PS5 early on these game sales, sure. But I can't for the life of me understand why you're pulling out "Oh, so now you say Sony wants their big releases to sell systems?" as if it's some sort of gotcha or dunk.
Both can be true. I'm basically just saying "Sony wants to sell their current products." Which, like, yeah.
Do you think that Sony isn't going to have a special PS4 bundle for TLOU2? Okay, that's Sony using TLOU2 to move systems. For a very obvious example.
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