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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
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I realize that but the point I was trying to make was that Layden was saying that retailers needed to be informed on the year's plans much earlier than June.
I suspect ever since the original Gonzalo leak from January 2019 that is what has been going on. Believe nothing!
My take.
Sony isn't going to do an official reveal until May/June. It has nothing to do with current PS4 releases either.
Sony had a PS4 reveal in 2013, but then had another reveal at E3 where they showed off the console etc.
This time Sony have been dropping bits of PS5 information for almost a year. We know about the 3D audio, the haptic feedback DS5, the super fast SSD at some more. There is no need for a reveal in Feb/March then another one in the summer.
Best to just leave it until the summer and do one, huge information blowout. I would assume that MS would also do the same and not talk about the XSX again until the summer.
Time to just wait it out.
Sony isn't going to do an official reveal until May/June. It has nothing to do with current PS4 releases either.
Sony had a PS4 reveal in 2013, but then had another reveal at E3 where they showed off the console etc.
This time Sony have been dropping bits of PS5 information for almost a year. We know about the 3D audio, the haptic feedback DS5, the super fast SSD at some more. There is no need for a reveal in Feb/March then another one in the summer.
Best to just leave it until the summer and do one, huge information blowout. I would assume that MS would also do the same and not talk about the XSX again until the summer.
Time to just wait it out.
Translation of the translation? Not sure what's been going on with any of these recent Komachi/Rogame tweets. Are they potentially console-related or are they looking at PC parts?
Tell me about it. I'm as thirsty as anyone for PS5 news, but I'm not in control and Sony will want to reveal it when the time is right. Six months from launch sounds about right, so I'm going for May.
Lol, I'm glad I am not the only one dreaming about PS5. In my dream PS had 18 TF.
I must leave this thread for mi sanity...
Maybe the fact that Navi 21 is marked under the same ID as Navi 10 means that Navi 21 is literally butterfly design Navi 10 using N7P rather than N7+ and will arrive before Navi 23? Going by that train of thought, then it might explain why is Series X using Zen 2 and RDNA2 despite them being on incompatible nodes. It could be AMD wants a RDNA2 card out early before NVidia can release their RTX 30X0 cards so they made a card on the N7P node that uses the feature set of RDNA2, as in, ray tracing and VRS capabilities.
I think it's platform agnostic;affects all parts.
This is the 2nd time we've heard about AMD using wrong/spoofed IDs for parts and IIRC it all started back in 2018 when they switched how their product names are decoded.
Okay, so it's more about changes to how things are named in documents rather than relating to anything specific?
Nah that's nonsense.
It doesn't matter if the original article was on Wired - it spread like wildfire across every gaming site. Even mainstream sites like the BBC picked up on it. Then there was the more recent PS5 logo reveal on Instagram - people even bragged here about how many likes it was getting.
Momentum? Sales for both current gen consoles are plummeting - more so than the 360 / PS3 did back in 2013.
Very intriguing.
Conceptually, it sounds like it make for a great secondary console or a "Gamepass box" in addition to being a primary option for the price concious.
Yeah , for kids room or 1080p TVs it would be a great add-on if it hits $299 price.
That's fair. I was more posting for the general knowledge of the thread. I'm sure they've had some discussions, especially since retailers probably worry about the role of physical media.
May be why Odium is calling it RDNA 1.9.
That's a rather inadequate view. The console itself is a piece of electronics, but what they're selling is a platform. It's a driver of a continued revenue stream akin to a media player (DVDs, blu rays), PC (accessories such as cables, headsets, chargers), and now, streaming boxes. New media platforms and streaming services are announced months if not over a year in advance. Consoles take a tremendous amount of retail space. One console will get as much aisle space as things such as printers, or keyboards, mouses, and other accessories. Gaming consoles as a whole take up several rows and are as big as some of the main ticket items in a big box store like the TV or phone sections. These spaces often need demo stations, which can even be actively stationed some times. Retailers have to consciously think about how their floor space drives revenue, and consoles take a lot of it.
On top of that, the one example we have of a console with a small runway leading up to retail was a disaster. Not wholly owing to that of course as the Saturn had other problems, but their reveal strategy was universally panned.
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With the decoder, yes. The spoofing, using incorrect names/IDs for products, is intentional IIRC.
IMO, they are deliberately doing it to make it difficult for people to figure out their products or testings.
I see people say this a lot -- Lockhart existing isn't a rumor. If you put a retail Xbox One into dev mode there are several references to it
eg
Watching the DF video about Lockhart. Good for showing general efficiency of Navi vs older architectures,
my Impressions from the video are that Lockhart should be fine. Zen and SSD being the same, and ram amount/bandwidth scaling based on relative target resolution
my Impressions from the video are that Lockhart should be fine. Zen and SSD being the same, and ram amount/bandwidth scaling based on relative target resolution
at this point I'm definitely expecting next gen consoles to be delayed to 2021
Speaking of supply chain, situation in South Korea is also very bad:
Samsung, Hynix etc...which means memory, SSD and whatnot.
cc DrKeo
Seems like yet another reason to suspect that a PS5 reveal might not be imminent, but what do I know...
I'd be very okay with 2021 consoles. I think Sony would too — they could rejigger their schedule and set up Ghost of Tsushima as their big fall title, and of course TLOU2 will keep selling throughout the year.
I think Microsoft would face some hard choices, though. I think they'd delay both Halo and Forza to release alongside the new console(s), which doesn't leave a whole lot for them in 2020. An XSX-less 2020 is the sort of year where a broader portfolio of active IPs would really benefit them.
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Using games that are made to run on 2013 APU on beefy 2019 hardware is like bechnmarking the benchmark itself. For me the question is more : is to possible to design a 12TF game that won't run descently on a 4TF GPU even with a lowered resolution and/or post-process FX (shadows, framerate, FoV etc.). Also, next-gen won't erase the usefulness of all forms of dynamic/upscaling resolution tech that aren't covered here.
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The PS5 will be sold out this year even if they announce it 1 week before launch with no exclusive games. Sony will not be able to produce enough consoles for launch.
I have zero technical knowledge, so this could be nonsense, but I feel like you would have to build a game at 1080p (or even lower)/30 with a ton of graphical effects to make it unscalable, and it seems a bit unlikely to me that anyone will do that.
As I understand it, if you're at 60FPS, then cutting that to 30 halves graphic card requirements, so anything at 1080p/60 would likely be near enough running at 720/30 on the other console, I think.
Yet we do know that Foxconn facilities have been back up and running for at least a week now, although not at full capacity. I even saw that they were offering $1,000 employee signup bonuses.
I just don't know what "informing retailers" entails this year. Is it done with a private event or in public as in a PlayStation Meeting?
What's hilarious is wasn't there a tweet that mentioned AMD switching up the ID formula some months ago? Seems many have just overlooked that post.
It just adds to the puzzle pieces IMO.
That's my thinking as well...
If I go PS5 this gen, it would be hard not to also pickup a Lockhart so that keep enjoying all my Gamepass benefits
Nah. There would be nothing stopping a developer from using the extra Tflops to push graphical upgrades w/ advanced upscaling instead of native 4k/60.
Considering the diminishing returns of native 4k compared to modern upscaling techniques, I'd say this approach will be the norm for XSX.
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So if PS5 is 12-14TF what price is that going to come in at? I see people saying xsx is going to be $600 because of 12 TF. What is a more powerful PS5 going to run?
Yeah, this is what I was talking about. Can't find the post now...damn I wished I used bookmarks more, lol.
I wish had more media outlets like Digital Foundry.....everything they do is well measured and we'll thought out, even if they don't always get everything right. At least you won't see them reporting on random 4chan threads.....
The resolution alone doesn't define how much a game, especially a 3D game, is weighting on a GPU, that choice is made upstream by devs when they decide how they will fill in their scenes, and on the baseline chosen to maintain it. Where I am skeptic is with the idea that it would have zero consequences on gamedesign.
Most people don't think it will be over $500 in either case. Anything higher is not market proven.
PS4 Pro was different in that the retail structure didn't need to change. It wasn't all that different than deploying a slim variant, for example. None of the games or accessories changed.
No way they'd do that if they wanna laugh like 2 months after. A console needs way more marketing time
I just don't see this happening. It would be a very expensive console.
Sony has been talking about quick transition to PS5 which points to a lower, probably $399 price point imo. Nothing they have said points to being most powerful console or more powerful than XseX, which also will be quite expensive, I think $499 or even $549.
Either you build a powerful and expensive console or a less powerful and medium priced console. So far I see Sony doing the latter and MS doing former with XseX.
This is just pure speculation on my part so I could be totally wrong.
Isn't Coronavirus a big issue in Japan? Sony, being Japanese company will definitely not ignore such situation and be insensitive with their conduct.
Best looking is probably RDR2, but for first party I think Forza Horizon 4, Sea of Thieves, and Gears 5. Both Horizon and Gears 5 are prioritizing 60fps as well, and I think that is actually why there are some better looking 3rd party games that focus on 30 FPS.
My personal list for 3rd party games on the One X is RDR2, Metro Exodus, Assassin's Creed Odyssey and Origins, and Shadow of the Tomb Raider
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