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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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Did he make jump to conclusions about 36CU based on it saying navi10?
Next gen consoles will be much more powerful than the average PC. Just take a look at the Steam statistics. It looks like to me they will be more powerful than 95% of pc gaming rigs. Less 6% of PC gamers have more than 16gbs of ram.
less than 6% have 8cpus. Less than 5%have a graphics card better than a Nvidia GTX1080.... the Xbox One X alone may be better than the average Gaming PC rig hahaha
That doesn't matter to me. If PS5 is more power that's great if not, there's always PS5 pro.
If true, can someone explain the logic to go with relatively few CUs with super high clocks? Even regarding BC can't you just disable whatever amount of CUs you need when running a PS4 game?
Even if you wanted to go with a cheaper console wouldn't the price of cooling skyrocket with a design like this?
Even if you wanted to go with a cheaper console wouldn't the price of cooling skyrocket with a design like this?
There are different levels of leaks. Datamined information from drivers, or x-rays of chips I personally place higher than even official MS and Sony info.
That's how we found out about Nvidia's 970 ram debacle, or Wii-U's GPU configuration.
The only things left to be confirmed are the 10+ tflops... 😊
Everything else has been on point. MS seems well on it's way to confirm it. Sony will too. Again, credible people who have been right. 12 vs 9 would go against what both Klee, Matt and Jason have been saying for months! (That's a 33 % difference). Klee didn't seem surprised by the 12 tflops number for SX. What's your credible source? What do you believe?
And please stop making it out to be like I'm pulling shit out of my ass. My belief stems from them being right on multiple occasions!
It's like you've listened to people in the know. Kudos.
Yeah this is directly from the source, not an "insider" that may or may not know anything relevant. But it's not completely positive so we get 10 pages of people losing their shit and mods threatening death sentences over it, embarrassing.
He didn't confirm 12 tflops. He said the target is that. You guys will never learn.
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The perfect circle jerk. Maybe they are all one person 😂😂
This makes sense but I would adjust all the prices up. Remember XB1X with a Jaguar CPU and 6TF GCN GPU was $500 and a PS4 Pro with Jag CPU and a 4.2 TF GPU is still $400.
These consoles will have expensive GDDR6/HBM Ram and SSD's. Also Navi Architecture runs hot so better cooling and packaging will also push the price up.
$350 - $400 4TF Lockhart, $600 12TF Anaconda, $500 9.2TF PS5 would be my guess. If these specs are true Games can target 1800P on PS5 and be Native on XSX.
Remember XB1X with a Jaguar CPU and 6TF GCN GPU was $500 and a PS4 Pro with Jag CPU and a 4.2 TF GPU is still $400.
That has nothing to do with the thread. The source is what it is.
To be fair K.Jack, a lot of people cheerleading a 9TF PS5 are Playstation fans who just don't want to fork over $499.
i think its because he is talking about oberon and ariel leaks that were corroborated by komachi and have been a staple of these threads. i agree that it shouldnt be treated as gospel but we tend to do that here when it comes to any bad news about the ps5. im glad you are starting to notice that too. like i said, its been this way since the beginning.
Ariel, Ariel B0 and Oberon were leaked today by komachi who said that amd is working on these gpus at the moment. ariel is gonzalo and oberon is the 2.0 ghz gpu that came with the base ps4 and pro clock speeds. all we were missing were CU counts which he seems to have provided.
i am not dismissing it simply because of the komachi connection. but i agree its a little too presumptious to disregard everything else we have heard about these consoles. i posted about the other rumors that dont line up with this a few minutes ago.
2Gb mem chips. 1750mhz is ram speed, I think, so these would be overclocked 16Gb/s chips, same as on NV super series.
So has anyone figured out where 14Gb/s and 36 CUs come from?
I don't know which will be more dramatic.
PS5 being 12+ TF or less.
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Holy shit. The last few pages have been embarrassing. I really think we should stop posting this Rogame guy. He is posting things with no context and some of the more zealous participants in this thread are taking it as gospel for obvious reasons. I'm starting to like the idea of shutting this thread down until we get some actual big news because this is getting to "Carnival of Stupid" levels.
I wish I could take you behind the current. Your peers decide what they think is console warring, and the insane amount of reports for it since the tweets were posted speak volumes.
I am here because I want this thread to exist. I have don't create the narrative, I save the ship.
Still it's really interesing that opposite leaks (Klee vs gonzalo/oberon), where is my popcorn :d
How shocking there's people reporting info that they don't want to believe has truth...
I haven't followed all of this, but I wouldn't bat an eye at 9 tflops. I don't think that's the case, but I'd be fine with it. The idea they're going with a jaguar CPU is impossible to take seriously though.
9 tflops would probably help them more than 12 or 14 anyway. They'd still have a huge graphics leap over last gen, and they'd be significantly cheaper. You know, the ACTUAL thing that matters. The start of last Gen has just melted people's brains.
PS4 didn't blow up the Xbox One because it was more powerful. It did it because it was powerful and 100 dollars less. And, basically, it wasn't another PS3 (launching a year later at TWO HUNDRED dollars more). Short of Sony being that dumb again, MS was always doomed worldwide. But it really was the cost difference that made the biggest impact. Like it has since basically forever.
9 tflops would probably help them more than 12 or 14 anyway. They'd still have a huge graphics leap over last gen, and they'd be significantly cheaper. You know, the ACTUAL thing that matters. The start of last Gen has just melted people's brains.
PS4 didn't blow up the Xbox One because it was more powerful. It did it because it was powerful and 100 dollars less. And, basically, it wasn't another PS3 (launching a year later at TWO HUNDRED dollars more). Short of Sony being that dumb again, MS was always doomed worldwide. But it really was the cost difference that made the biggest impact. Like it has since basically forever.
Both will be rdna. But 3 things are not confirmed:
- 12 tflops
- 7nm+
- full rdna2 gpu or just rdna2 features on a custom rdna1
Your post implied that subs are mandatory to everyone, not just you. I disagree.
As for Sony and MP, this isn't the thread for it.
I'd disagree with this.
The PS4 wasn't even supposed to launch at $399. That was a last minute change Sony went for once they caught wind of the Xbox One being $499. The playstation camera was axed from the box to hit the $399 price point, and done so quietly in order to maintain that $100 advantage.
This was coming off of the PS3, Sony's weakest selling console ever, and with Microsoft still being the dominant player in the US. They were confident up until the last second that the PS4 could be sold at a higher price than $399.
The PS5 is in a FAR stronger competitive position, and vendor lock in means few gamers on either side will be switching platforms. From a marketing perspective, there's no reason to skimp on hardware and cut out features to hit the $399 price point- the PS5 will sell out regardless. There ARE several reasons to build the best machine they can at the price the market will bear, though.
You want it to be, don't you? 😊
I've just been following these threads early on. I don't care which console is more powerful, but I do care about what's been said by numerous insiders.
People that have been right about a lot of stuff up until now. You, on the other hand, have been continously pushing a narrative you so desperately want to be true. It's sad, man.
There won't be a 33 % difference between them. They'll be just fine. Both of them.
But the target 12 TFlops is RDNA, even though some people would think that talking about a NAVI GPU in GCN makes sense lol
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LOL, some of the notable console warriors who are singing rogame's praises is absolutely hilarious.
Yeah, I think some people are jumping the gun by accepting rogame's info as the absolute truth of what the PS5 will be. It's just another interesting tidbit in a whole bucket of interesting tidbits that we've been given over the past year or so.
At least we won't have that much longer to find out the truth :)
Honestly, a 30% difference doesn't seem too bad to me. Other than some resolution differences between the XB1 and PS4, both consoles performed pretty well (with even the XB1 having some FPS advantages). Next gen would probably be the difference between upscaled 4K and native 4K.
The SSDs and CPUs are likely to be the biggest game changers.
The SSDs and CPUs are likely to be the biggest game changers.
It's a Teraflop, the unit of measure doesn't change. It's performance on different architectures is a whole other thing.
Lockhart has some positives to it though. Especially to the mass consumers who would have an easy and affordable access to next generation gaming right away.
It would also help increase the speed in which next generation is adopted by the masses, which would help game sales.
The con of course is the supposed gimping of a generation.
None of that is correct. The camera was removed because they had to double the GDDR5 RAM so something had to give way, which turned out to be the camera.
This was all stated by Andrew House and Mark Cerny at the Develop 2014 interview:
That make no sense .
MS and Sony info is official as you can get.
When Sony drop the PS4 spec sheet there was nothing else to see.
It's not like they making different version of the consoles with different GPUs.
Exactly what I said. What logic does it make to measure TFlops in GCN in a NAVI architecture?
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yeah by like 1% faster at 1080p, 2% faster at 1440p and literally the same at 4k.
and thats a 9.75 tflops gpu. a 9.2 tflops gpu will not match 2070 in performance let alone exceed 2080.
It's not about not being happy - At all!
It's about listening to people who've been right, multiple times! That's my entire argument here.
All steppings are going to be fundamentally the same part. Letter steppings are metal mask changes. Not fundamental architectural changes.
Get that platform warring shit out of here.
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