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Microsoft hasn't had a multi GOTY-winning critical darling since 2001's Halo: Combat Evolved
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But it would, i would say Xbox has better games in most genres of FPS, TPS, RTS, Racers, Fighters and Platformers in comparison to PS4.
PS4 excel at the narrative 3rd person action adventure genre, and the come out on top here.
It stupid to suggest Xbox has "no games", could they do better? Yes. They are obviously looking to rectify this further.
Horizon was the GOTY runner up in 2017. It wasn't a "mid 80's range" game either it was an 89 and very close to being a 90. Stop bringing up how much a game sold to make it out like a game is great or deserving of being a GOTY contender. COD, Madden, etc all sell millions every year. That doesn't mean they are GOTY quality games.
Yes, exactly.
And while there's no hiding that Halo 3 was a big deal back in 2007 and Gears was in 2006 (GOTY or not), those franchises now being shells of what they used to be all point to Microsoft losing their touch in 1st party. All while Nintendo and Sony manage to reinvent & keep their same franchises fresh and GOTY-caliber over multiple years (BotW, GoW, Uncharted).
Thankfully MS is fully aware of this, so hopefully there are good things to come.
Post your list, then, and let it speak for itself.
Doesn't look like you're convincing anyone so far.
Gears of War 3 was the last AAA game by Microsoft, that was a critical darling. If you don't count Forza games.
I didn't even say a game though. So out of curiosity, which two games am I counting for Xbox?
A couple those genres PS doesn't even make so by default I guess. Uncharted and TLOU count as TPS so no Gears lost that spot years ago.
Really didn't want to do list wars, but you really think Uncharted and TLOU has better third person shooting than Gears of War lol?
The shooting in uncharted is by far the worst part of the entire franchise, and in the earlier games it's straight up bad.
I feel Nintendo gets a free ride by, people say Microsoft don't reinvent their franchises etc, but except for the latest Zelda Nintendo very rarely do.
Every generation they churn out the same games that hardly differ from the previous version, there are many examples of this.
Every generation they churn out the same games that hardly differ from the previous version, there are many examples of this.
I wouldn't say Uncharted and TLOU are "shooters" like Gears is, these are narrative driven 3rd person action adventure games.
Uncharted is more comparable to Tomb Raider, you would compare that to Gears.
What utter tosh.
Odyssey and BoTW were completely new takes. Mario Maker again. Splatoon is only one gen old and is completely novel. Arms? Fire Emblem Three Houses is vastly different than previous iterations. Xenoblade, again completely different.
If there is one thing you *cannot* levy against Nintendo with the switch it is that they haven't put effort into innovating their franchises.
Bad joke is bad.
The gun and traversal mechanics of Uncharted 4 and beyond have far surpassed anything Gears has put out. The verticality of U4's MP alone makes it more interesting.
FPS = Halo.
TPS = Gears
RTS = Halo Wars
Racer = Forza series
Fighter = Killer Instinct
Platformer = Ori
Shooting mechanics in Uncharted is awful, that is why the multiplayer is awful.
I'm not going to because clearly as people say ex. Halo has lost its luster and isn't an event anymore. That's a sales talk. Somliterall
They are better games period. Shooting is only one aspect of a game. That's not a really a controversial argument that UC4 and TLOU are viewed as superior games to Judgement and Gears 4. They were surpassed. Period.
Yeah nothing to brag about. A lot of OK games spread across genres. But if they believe Microsoft is producing better games that's their opinion.
Maybe that genre just has more potential to appeal to a larger audience which is why Sony and Nintendo invest in 3rd person cinematic action adventure titles so much. Because those games usually get a lot of praise when done right. While GoTY is entirely subjective at the same time you can't be mad at people for gravitating towards that specific genre.
Sounds like Xbox fans don't need to be worrying about Sony or Nintendo then right? You have more variety and from the games you want.
Do you also think that Kojima hasn't produced any games that has captivated the industry's imagination? Has this ship sailed for Kojima as well?
There's a massive difference between publishing and developing a game. ME 1 was made (developed) by bioware not MS game studios. It was published by MS game studios until bioware was acquired by EA. Point being, you can not credit MS for any awards ME 1 got. "Award winning publisher" is not a thing.
You still seem to be specifically referring to 3rd person action adventure, i have said Sony are great at this, but they are not so great in other genres.
I know many will disagree, but I don't consider UC or TLOU as Third Person Shooters. I consider them more so as Third Person Action Adventure Games.
In which case, I wouldn't directly compare them to Gears. That being said, Gears has much better shooting mechanics.
The online racing in GT Sport is far superior to what the Forza games offer currently. Also Street Fighter V AE is a better experience than KI is IMO. Astro Bot Rescue Mission is the best Platformer I've played this gen hands down, scored higher than Ori did, and won several GOTY awards last year so there is an argument to be made there as well.
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Nah. Neither Sony's nor MS' FPS are worth discussing compared to 3rd parties (COD, Overwatch). Sorry bud, Halo's gone downhill. It might barely edge out KZ now.
Nope. Uncharted's shooting mechanics far surpass Gears'.
I suppose, if we're going to pretend that RTS on console is even significant.
This isn't PS3-era anymore. Driveclub and GT Sport can certainly contend with FM and Horizon (probably surpassed them in sales).
Again, how does this matter when Xbox doesn't have Street Fighter 5? Or a D-pad most people want to use?
Again, nope. Sony has Ratchet, LBP, Astrobot, and the upcoming Dreams.
Surprise surprise. You post a list and it doesn't convince.
Then this thread is dumb. If you don't make X game yiu aren't going to have a goty contender. It doesn't have anything to do with Microsoft. If the tide turns and every goty going forward is a MP centric title, it's be dumb to say well Nintendo and Sony haven't had a goty in X years. If slave movies and WW2 movies are what wins oscars, you can't say a movie or studio isn't good because they don't win awards
To me I've always looked at Single Player vs Multiplayer. Microsoft has always had the more compelling multiplayer games to me and sony has had the more compelling single player games. While i love both types, time-wise im going to spend more time in multiplayer (personally). So the Halo, Gears, Forza franchises fill the spot that i enjoy with my friends. Sea of thieves and state of decay to a lesser extent too. I would really love to see Halo infinite be the whole package again. Award winning campaign and multiplayer with a massive suite of game modes and options.
You have goooottt to be kidding me.
So you don't like Halo 5, so it doesn't count? Are you serious here? Or do you think Halo 5 and Shadowfall are just as good as each other? Come on man, don't be that blind. Especially considering Halo 5 is widely praised for it's MP.
Uncharted shooting is no where near to gears... But hey, opinions.
Horizon is king in racing. This is undisputed, especially if only comparing exclusives.
The platforming in Ori is leagues ahead of the latest LBP. The latest Ratchet is good thought.
The shooting is fantastic, fun, much improved iteration-over-iteration, and like others have said the verticality affords it a lot more dynamic approaches to the gameplay.
This is completely wrong. You don't need to bring up falsehoods about Nintendo to try and act like Microsoft doesn't need to change up and rejuvenate their biggest franchises.
The accolades for Horizon speak for themselves, but it's only undisputed because GT Sport and DriveClub both launched with problems and the former lacking substantially in single-player content. The next iteration of GT (that is rumoured to be a launch title) will not have these issues. You're also ommitting an incredible amount of games and genres overall to put your point across.
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Xbox used to have some must play titles you couldn't find anywhere else. The multi platform stuff also ran better and made it an easy option to choose as your primary console. At least that's how I felt during a good portion of the 360's life. That slowly changed and the stuff they offered didn't really interest me anymore. Hopefully the new studio acquisitions can change that, but I feel like they are going hard with the service stuff. For what it's worth, the last game that really peaked my interest was Sunset Overdrive. I just couldn't justify buying an Xbox one for one game.
Sony has nothing to compare to Halo. 😂
Compare Uncharted to Tomb Raider, not Gears.
Ori is better and reviewed higher than Ratchet & Clank.
Forza is a much better series, come on!
Killer Instinct Ultimate Edition reviewed higher than Street Fighter.
I'm convinced.......
Also Astro Bot is one of the best platformers of the generation possibly 2nd best after Oddyssey.
But I would give this gen to FM in terms of racing genre but I can see GT surpassing it next-gen. I think Polyphony is on the right track to make it popular again with GT7 (2021) and GT 8 (2025) especially 8 can end up the best in the series with the refined tech of the PS5 and the content that 7 can end up lacking (think GT3 and GT4 situation).
All Nintendo's staple franchises are very similar to the last, Mario, Smash Bros, Mario Kart etc etc.
I'm not saying its a bad thing but Microsoft get stick for this!
Nope. Take a breather and we'll talk through it.
Never said I don't like Halo 5: heck I respect it for finally pushing the series to 60fps. But it's not 2007. Halo is probably not even in the Top 5 shooters of today. To me, that makes it not a very strong contender in this argument. I also remember very clearly stating that it barely edges out Killzone.
I think you're horribly mistaken, especially if you've actually played U4, but maybe try talking specifically how? I already mentioned U4's verticality and traversal as one thing that pushes it over, along with color coded hit markers, headshot markers, and overall smoothness of the controls when moving btwn cover (compared to Gears' stiffness).
And you've mentioned...?
I don't think it's undisputed at all. Driveclub has definitely gotten a lot of attention with its post-launch support, particularly on this forum. And like I said, this is PS4 era now. GT Sport's online racing trumps Forza's.
Again, mind explaining how? I'm getting a strong sense that you're still stuck in last gen. That might explain why conveniently left out Dreams and especially Astrobot, literally the biggest game-changer to platformers since Mario. And I don't even like the latest Ratchet...but I guess enough people do?
You also ignored the point regarding fighters.
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I like how you leave out Astro Bot and compare Ori to Ratchet. Don't even act like b/c Astro Bot is a VR title it doesn't count. It's a better platformer, reviewed better than Ori and won more GOTY awards than Ori did.
KI Ultimate Edition didn't review better than Street Fighter V Arcade Edition. Not to mention I don't see KI at Evo and such anymore but Street Fighter sure is still there. I think we know which is the more relevant game.
GT Sport does online racing better than any Forza game does so again your argument is flawed.
Haha. I do like this respond - even though I'm also a huge fan of his (Kojima's) work.
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I love the statement how Halo 5 "barely edge out" KZ: Shadow Fall. I guess the same user also thinks Super Mario 3D World "barely edge out" Knack.
There's nothing special about Gears of War shooting. What makes it unique is the cover system and how skilled players use it.
I get the feeling he hasn't played Halo, if that is his opinion 😂
I am big supporter of devs making the games they wanna make however I do believe that MS has lagged behind the competition in terms of exclusives. Thats something even Phil Spencer has acknowledged plenty of times which is a good thing because the first step to changing your circumstances is admitting there's a problem. Going forward, I do hope MS delivers on that front but the reality is, Sony and Nintendo continue to deliver GoTY contenders with their exclusives which happen to be high selling single player type games.
Not saying you can't deliver a GoTY contender with a multiplayer or live service game but those type of games rarely sweep when it comes to VGAs or end of year awards. Its just the reality of the industry and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Multiplayer games can definitely still be successful especially with a MS' budget so there will always be a market for them and the potential for a GoTY contender.
Sorry, but this is missing the point. The thread is about Microsoft's output as a publisher. Mass Effect 1 is a game the published/funded, and had staff work on (QA,etc.). It's part of their portfolio.
Would you say Spider-Man is not a Sony game? Because it absolutely is.
I read it as their output as a game developer. Spider man is not a sony game, it's an insomniac game. It was not made (developed) by a sony owned studio.
I go by the games developer because some games are published by different companies in different regions and the developer is the ones who actually create the game.
I see we've gone full list warz. Even the people posting them have exactly the avatars you'd expect.
Mass Effect 1 can absolutely be considered a part of Microsoft's catalogue.
Mass Effect 1 can absolutely be considered a part of Microsoft's catalogue.
No. Nintendo's output has been the very definition of re-imagining this generation.
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