Vanquish?
Been a while since I played it but always nice to another human being that bought Future Soldier. Thought I was the only one.
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MGSV is the best controlling third-person shooter ever made. Nothing comes close.
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Been a while since I played it but always nice to another human being that bought Future Soldier. Thought I was the only one.
Yup. MP3 is like this window into a direction gaming could have gone into, but didn't. Nothing else feels quite like it.
Moving/aiming while on a nice flat surface feels amazing in MGSV but the cover and traversal systems were not at the same quality. Gears cover system is possibly best in the biz and you have to give traversal to Uncharted. My personal favorite 3rd person shooting mechanics are actually from the Dead Space series.
You know what, I wasn't a fan of the movement/controls in Max Payne 3 either. I didn't quite get the hype when I came late to the party and gave it a go. It's been some time since I played it, so can't point out what exactly felt off. Phantom Pain played like a dream and is probably the best I've played, I don't play a lot of 3rd person shooters though.
I don't really understand the complaints about the cover system.
The game controls so good, it doesn't even need the minor cover system that was implemented. A lot of the shootouts you get into involve you using the environment around you for cover. The movement and aiming is so good, you can easy move in and out of cover simply by yourself without issue.
Honestly, MGSV feels like a generation leap sort of game. So I find it incredibly disappointing that it has been three years, and we haven't had a single game come close. Seriously devs, steal from MGSV, this should be the Gears of War of this generation in terms of shooter inspiration. Instead, a lot of devs just stick close to tired last generation ideas.
The game controls so good, it doesn't even need the minor cover system that was implemented. A lot of the shootouts you get into involve you using the environment around you for cover. The movement and aiming is so good, you can easy move in and out of cover simply by yourself without issue.
Honestly, MGSV feels like a generation leap sort of game. So I find it incredibly disappointing that it has been three years, and we haven't had a single game come close. Seriously devs, steal from MGSV, this should be the Gears of War of this generation in terms of shooter inspiration. Instead, a lot of devs just stick close to tired last generation ideas.
For aiming yes, but not for the rest.
MGSV does every part of character manipulation so well, not just one part.
Yep. The game is sublime to play. I've logged hundreds of hours.
I still pour one out for the fox engine from time to time.
I still pour one out for the fox engine from time to time.
I usually don't complain about this stuff but it just felt too "gamey" for me, i guess you could say it lacked "weight" :)
I finally got around to playing this and while it does control well, I prefer RE6's controls and gameplay overall.
Yes I'm one of those people, haha.
Yes I'm one of those people, haha.
I think Horizon has tighter and more responsive controls, but MGSV is a much better controlling game than it's predecessors. MGS4's controls were so bad.
Completely disagree. It controls well for the franchise but The Division or Wildlands feel a lot smoother and snappy, not to mention stuff like Vanquish where you move at madman speeds with high precision. But I'd even argue that platform sections aside, even games like DMC or Bayonetta feel a lot more engaging. Plus there's the brilliant gameplay of Kingdom Of Amalur. I'll never ever understand the hype around MGSV's gameplay, it really isn't anything different or special that other games aren't doing, I just feel that a lot of people on Era skip EA/Ubisoft/Activision/etc. pretty much by default and actually miss out on the most comfortable and smooth gameplays out there. Because for all the shortcomings or shitty microtransactions they may have, games like Destiny, The Division, Call Of Duty, Siege, Wildlands, Mass Effect: Andromeda (I'm aware not all these are TPS but I'm trying to make a broader point) and so on actually feature some of the tightest controls in gaming.
Gear's cover system is frustrating as fuck because the games often can't tell if you're trying to roll or go into cover
You can't really debate against it when it used an internal engine, that was incredibly optimized and ahead of most technology. It's why MGSV ran great on last generation systems, low end PCs and gaming laptops. Konami weren't hyping it up for no reason back in 2012. It's a shame it's been used on rubbish, they probably should of started selling the license of it, although it would of cost a lot money to clean something up like that and have it suitable for third-party use.
It's one of the most mechanically accomplished games ever made, no doubt.
As a shooter, however, its not even close to the top ten; but then that's because it not a shooter, its a stealth game... and so everything from the enemy AI to the encounter design is inherently design to de-emphasise a run-and-gun TPS approach.
Yes it controls like a dream, but also its a completely different type of game than your average TPS.
As a shooter, however, its not even close to the top ten; but then that's because it not a shooter, its a stealth game... and so everything from the enemy AI to the encounter design is inherently design to de-emphasise a run-and-gun TPS approach.
Yes it controls like a dream, but also its a completely different type of game than your average TPS.
MGSV's controls and combat mechanics are recognized by critics, it's not an Era echo chamber opinion. Wildlands has nothing on V's versatility, likewise with the Division besides having better animations, and that's largely the case with the rest of your examples. With V it's not just precision of control, but options and flexibility of your actions. This is why people bring up games like RE6, which while not matching in intuitiveness, offers extraordinary range of movement.
Yeah I'm trying to get through the last of us on and off for the past year and it hasn't gripped me
Since I last tried, I played MGSV entirely all the way through
TLOU is going to be even rougher to get through going back, I fear. Now that I have that comparison.
Game really controls like a dream.
Since I last tried, I played MGSV entirely all the way through
TLOU is going to be even rougher to get through going back, I fear. Now that I have that comparison.
Game really controls like a dream.
Kinda makes the large arsenal a bit odd, then. Game has nearly as many lethal arms as a Call of Duty title.
Except for Gears most of these other games have something in common....the cover systems are bad and sluggish!
That is most definitely the game as cover and roll are on the same button. It's been an issue that's plagued the series since the first game.
I thought R6 Vegas had a more intuitive and reliable cover system and was surprised Gears didn't copy it later. Much slower game, though.
Damn max Payne really was fantastic. Games like that and Vanquish that bucked the chest high walls trend were gems from last gen.
If I had to pick "best TPS controls", it's one of the three; vanquish, MGSV, or Max Payne 3.
Beceause lethal stealth is a thing, and many of the games's encounters can't be done stealthily.
Game provides plenty options, but it doesn't mean its primarily a shooter.
If you've played an MGS game you'll understand how inadequate the "shooter" descriptor is for the games.
It's not for you. Gears Of War's controls and movement are pretty fluent. There is a reason why a lot of the levels (single-player and multi-player) don't have a lot of open areas. The game wants you to roadie run and move through all objects you can slide and bounce off. If you think the A button being assigned 3* functions is a problem, you're most likely just uncoordinated on it.
Really? You actually think Wildlands is a better feeling game than MGSV?
I think you need to revisit both of these games again, because I just find that statement baffling. Wildlands is one of the most disappointing games of the generation for me, and the vast majority of the disappointment to me is put on simply the terrible controls and game feel. MGSV is in a completely different league when it comes to shooting and character control. On top of that, MGSV is a FAAAR more complex game with its dozens of unique gadgets and mechanics. Despite having all this stuff to potentially weigh it down, it all works beautifully and is easily one of if not the best TPS of all time. Wildlands is a game focused solely on basic stealth and action, and it can barely get that stuff right.
Strangely enough, i don't like vanquish too much tbh...i prefer binary domain from the sega tps catalogue.
I have no issues in plenty of other games with cover and other actions mapped to a single button. The problem is for whatever reason, gears sometimes has difficulty deciding if you're pressing A to roll or pressing A to get into cover.
I also like Binary Domain but in terms of gameplay it was pretty run of the mill. What made it shine was the setting, story, and character interactions.
Vanquish is purely about the camp and gameplay.
And to the poster who said Wildlands controls better than MGSV that's spicy as hell. Personally I thought wildlands played pretty poorly.
Personally I prefer MGS4s as it's a bit more arcadey but still fluid. But agree that V is still better than any other tps game out there that isn't mgs though. I already mentioned it in a previous thread, but just a fully allowing you to switch your aiming shoulder and keep it that way is one thing that sets mgs games apart from most other tps games.