How is me being out here questioning people and trying to engage playing defense? Obviously I'm going to defend myself to a point; I'm the vote leader.
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Love Boat 3 Mafia |OT| This time it's Bearsonal
- Thread starter The Bear
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I just saw this so I will answer: I'm not yelling at you because of Sorian, I'm yelling at you because you are trying to policy lynch someone. It would be the same with anyone else you try to do it.
It's bad play and something I definitely don't want in this community. If we start lynching people D1 because they usually play good, play bad, play crazy, low activity, too much activity, etc we are doing things wrong.
Now I need to catch up. I didn't read the last 3 pages.
I feel that your long-term offense-defense ratio is skewed too much toward defense. I am not denying that you are not playing offense as well, I am saying that I feel so far defense has been the main strategy here.
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==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
Stuart444 & Dr. Monkey (4 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #333 #361
Kitsunelaine - #535 #1,289
Geno - #729
Funky Dude Sparks - #1,113
Fran - #275
Sorian - #356
Fantomas - #440 #1,037
Pirate Bae & malus (4 votes)
Natiko - #1,026
TheChuggernaut - #1,251
Dr. Monkey - #1,281
Kyanrute - #1,345
absolutbro & Ty4on (2 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #1,289
Terraforce - #944
Kitsunelaine & Kalor (2 votes)
Dr. Monkey - #156 #737
flatearthpandas - #295 #330
flatearthpandas - #365
Stuart444 - #533 #1,118
FluxWaveZ - #1,318
TheChuggernaut & SkyOdin (2 votes)
Apollo - #1,027
CoolestSpot - #802
CoolestSpot & Z-Beat (1 votes)
Geno - #145 #729
Terraforce - #149 #944
empressdonna - #290
Natiko - #742 #1,026
Sorian & B-Dubs (1 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #141 #324
Natiko - #142 #742
Dr. Monkey - #144 #156
Stuart444 - #177 #326
Kitsunelaine - #324 #333
Stuart444 - #326 #533
flatearthpandas - #330 #365
Kitsunelaine - #397 #535
Stuart444 - #1,118
Fandorin & Fran (1 votes)
Kalor - #1,321
Natiko & Terraforce (1 votes)
Fantomas - #1,168
flatearthpandas & Stantastic (1 votes)
Verelios - #349
Dr. Monkey - #776 #1,206
Fantomas - #1,037 #1,168
Geno & Funky Dude Sparks (0 votes)
CoolestSpot - #140 #802
Fantomas & Zippedpinhead (0 votes)
Kalor - #1,296 #1,321
rac & Vincent Alexander (0 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #361 #397
Not voting: Xbro, B-Dubs, Fandorin, Pirate Bae, absolutbro, Stantastic, Ty4on, Brazil, rac, SkyOdin, malus, Reki, Vincent Alexander, Z-Beat, Zippedpinhead
Post Counts:
Kitsunelaine: 134 Stuart444: 125 Sorian: 103 Geno: 74 Natiko: 72 Dr. Monkey: 69 Terraforce: 57 CoolestSpot: 52 Fantomas: 52 Pirate Bae: 43 TheChuggernaut: 42 Fran: 38 Verelios: 38 Kyanrute: 27 Kalor: 24 FluxWaveZ: 22 Stantastic: 21 Ty4on: 21 B-Dubs: 18 Z-Beat: 18 Reki: 17 Funky Dude Sparks: 17 empressdonna: 16 rac: 16 flatearthpandas: 14 Brazil: 14 SkyOdin: 14 Fandorin: 9 Zippedpinhead: 9 absolutbro: 8 Vincent Alexander: 8 Xbro: 6 malus: 6 Apollo: 4
Current Countdown:
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Day Start
Stuart444 & Dr. Monkey (4 votes)
Geno - #729
Funky Dude Sparks - #1,113
Fran - #275
Sorian - #356
Pirate Bae & malus (4 votes)
Natiko - #1,026
TheChuggernaut - #1,251
Dr. Monkey - #1,281
Kyanrute - #1,345
absolutbro & Ty4on (2 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #1,289
Terraforce - #944
Kitsunelaine & Kalor (2 votes)
flatearthpandas - #365
FluxWaveZ - #1,318
TheChuggernaut & SkyOdin (2 votes)
Apollo - #1,027
CoolestSpot - #802
CoolestSpot & Z-Beat (1 votes)
empressdonna - #290
Sorian & B-Dubs (1 votes)
Stuart444 - #1,118
Fandorin & Fran (1 votes)
Kalor - #1,321
Natiko & Terraforce (1 votes)
Fantomas - #1,168
flatearthpandas & Stantastic (1 votes)
Verelios - #349
Geno & Funky Dude Sparks (0 votes)
Fantomas & Zippedpinhead (0 votes)
rac & Vincent Alexander (0 votes)
Not voting: Xbro, B-Dubs, Fandorin, Pirate Bae, absolutbro, Stantastic, Ty4on, Brazil, rac, SkyOdin, malus, Reki, Vincent Alexander, Z-Beat, Zippedpinhead
Post Counts:
Kitsunelaine: 134 Stuart444: 125 Sorian: 103 Geno: 74 Natiko: 72 Dr. Monkey: 69 Terraforce: 57 CoolestSpot: 52 Fantomas: 52 Pirate Bae: 43 TheChuggernaut: 42 Fran: 38 Verelios: 38 Kyanrute: 27 Kalor: 24 FluxWaveZ: 22 Stantastic: 21 Ty4on: 21 B-Dubs: 18 Z-Beat: 18 Reki: 17 Funky Dude Sparks: 17 empressdonna: 16 rac: 16 flatearthpandas: 14 Brazil: 14 SkyOdin: 14 Fandorin: 9 Zippedpinhead: 9 absolutbro: 8 Vincent Alexander: 8 Xbro: 6 malus: 6 Apollo: 4
Current Countdown:
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For the most part, I agree with you (I'm sure there are exceptions; meta will create exceptions when people play directly to their scum metas - you can see that in reads all over the thread.)
What I want is for someone who is refusing to put him in the scum pile to tell me what Sorian has done that's town. Because this is how it works. We don't kill him and he gets entrenched without really doing anything that's pro-town. I would like people to be aware of that. I've seen pro-town Sorian. Sorian can be a great asset to town. Mostly so far here he's thrown around vocabulary and shade, and that's all. Until he does something else, he's in my potential-scum pile.
Oh right. Yeah, I'm fine. Little sore but that's about it. The whole thing wasn't too bad. I just need to go get it looked at for the insurance stuff.
...your saying you want to lynch Ty and Absolute right?
just making sure im reading this right.
Fair enough, if you're sore, you may want to get checked out though. Sometimes I've read, pain can appear later even if it doesn't seem as bad just now.
Hope you're okay, man.
lol at your literal whataboutism, but let's take it on the face: rac? Not much. rac will get chattier later and his partner is ill; I'm largely willing to give them a pass for this phase. rac has largely thrown barbs at me. Apollo is not a volume poster and has put up some thoughtful engagements. But I asked about Sorian for very specific reasons - people are saying "oh, don't lynch him" but cannot produce a single concrete reason. Zero. Zip. I find that curious. Not even anything flimsy, like "oh, he's got good insight, seems fine." Just "he's not scummy."
While we're what-about-ing: How about your reads on them? Do you have anything else about Brazil/Flux after mentioning Brazil in passing?
Yes and no. Mostly no actually, because that'd be dumdum. It'd be the LULZ lynch where we kill people because they could be hiding scum and even if they'd be that, we'd get just the scum killed but no real information because of the lack of content.
Really, food for tomorrow and the days to come, I think. It is not a good start and it becomes very worrying if it continues tomorrow and onward.
Literally nothing on Brazil, I want to see a reasoning for Flux's Kalor vote, seemed baseless.
Finally read Flux. He isn't being weird. Slightly limited perhaps, but thoughtful. Kalor vote hmm. Hmm. I wanna say it is ok, because it feel in-character to him and if he was scum, he'd not drop it like that. I think this flower should be given time to bloom.
Glad you're okay B-Dubs.
As I was trying to type before:
I should probably put down a vote as well, since I probably won't be around for day end.
Right now I'm considering a vote in one of the following pairs:
Katsune: I had a pretty good feeling at first, but there wasn't much later on to give confidence into those feelings. In fact kits disappearance looks kind of strange and Kalor hasn't done much as well.
CoolestBeat: I guess Coolest is Coolest, but I still didn't like his posts that went from "I don't know anything" to "we should go for the quite players" in a matter of a few minutes. I think on day 1 that's just a shot in the dark without much payoff.
As I was trying to type before:
I should probably put down a vote as well, since I probably won't be around for day end.
Right now I'm considering a vote in one of the following pairs:
Katsune: I had a pretty good feeling at first, but there wasn't much later on to give confidence into those feelings. In fact kits disappearance looks kind of strange and Kalor hasn't done much as well.
CoolestBeat: I guess Coolest is Coolest, but I still didn't like his posts that went from "I don't know anything" to "we should go for the quite players" in a matter of a few minutes. I think on day 1 that's just a shot in the dark without much payoff.
Good morning everyone!
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Don't think I'll be keeping my vote on Natiko here, felt better after talking to him last night and not many others seem interested in that sick read.
That being said, I'm also not interested in voting out either Dr. Stuart or Pirate Malus today, so not really into these vote leaders.
I'll gather my thoughts a bit more with some coffee and get a new vote down.
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Don't think I'll be keeping my vote on Natiko here, felt better after talking to him last night and not many others seem interested in that sick read.
That being said, I'm also not interested in voting out either Dr. Stuart or Pirate Malus today, so not really into these vote leaders.
I'll gather my thoughts a bit more with some coffee and get a new vote down.
Would not march to the guillotine at this time - in no order, because some of these are definitely weaker feelings -
NatForce - Talked about this last night. I have small lingering suspicions on Natiko but they're not enough to move the needle off my good feeling on Terra, and I'd rather not remove them day 1 here
TheSkyChugger - I like Sky. He's thoughtful and he's always been lowkey one of my favorite players. Chuggs is chill, ready with his own opinions, not concerned about engaging. No reason at all to consider them today.
Frando (would definitely like to see more from Fando, though)
Rexbro (where'd they go, though?)
BrawaveZ (I also don't like a lower posting Brazil but I'm not sure I feel like it's kill worthy, and I like Flux here)
Verollo - Apollo isn't doing a lot and Vere is in and out but I've like both of their contributions enough that I would not want to see them gone today
Less favorable, developing reads -
S-Dubs - I've been pretty clear that I'm not seeing any reason to call Sorian town. No reason from Dubs, either, but we should give him a chance to recover
Rincent - Just not doing much at all, but again, VA is sick so I'd hang back there and let them develop
Kyonna - I know donna's been out but I would like to see more from her to measure against Kyaa
Tybro - I have mixed feelings here. Both are within parameters for town play but there also isn't much here at all. This could easily move down or up depending on what, if anything, they do today
Funky Dude Geno - I'm tempted to move this pair down into scum leans but I think I'd rather wait and see Geno at EoD first. Geno has made noise but there's not much behind it except needling Stu. Some light feints at others. Sparky is sheeping, but that's within parameters of his town play, so this team is indeterminate.
CoolestBeat - where'd they go?
Fantopinhead - I started out not feeling Fanto, but I'm fine with this "this is the new chill Fanto" explanation and he's put in a bit of work after. It still feels somewhat lackluster but it may just be new playstyle developing. I do not think much of Zipped's contributions here, especially not looking outside vote leaders. I understand it's a big thread and folks have limited time, but things will shift before EoD and what then?
Scum leans -
I'm not liking the cagey avoidance I'm seeing in the Katsune and Pirate Malus teams and kitsunelaine's drop in volume is a big red flag to me. If Bae and malus vote, I may feel differently here, depending, but there's some definite avoidance there. I'm iffy on flatearthstans and maybe they should be in the middle pack, but I'm concerned a bit about feps. Stan, on the other hand, has taken some positions and is definitely within town Stan parameters, but I don't know that I trust myself to read him with confidence right now. They wouldn't be my first vote today, but I do have them as a scum lean at the moment.
Pirate Malus
Katsune
flatearthstans
NatForce - Talked about this last night. I have small lingering suspicions on Natiko but they're not enough to move the needle off my good feeling on Terra, and I'd rather not remove them day 1 here
TheSkyChugger - I like Sky. He's thoughtful and he's always been lowkey one of my favorite players. Chuggs is chill, ready with his own opinions, not concerned about engaging. No reason at all to consider them today.
Frando (would definitely like to see more from Fando, though)
Rexbro (where'd they go, though?)
BrawaveZ (I also don't like a lower posting Brazil but I'm not sure I feel like it's kill worthy, and I like Flux here)
Verollo - Apollo isn't doing a lot and Vere is in and out but I've like both of their contributions enough that I would not want to see them gone today
Less favorable, developing reads -
S-Dubs - I've been pretty clear that I'm not seeing any reason to call Sorian town. No reason from Dubs, either, but we should give him a chance to recover
Rincent - Just not doing much at all, but again, VA is sick so I'd hang back there and let them develop
Kyonna - I know donna's been out but I would like to see more from her to measure against Kyaa
Tybro - I have mixed feelings here. Both are within parameters for town play but there also isn't much here at all. This could easily move down or up depending on what, if anything, they do today
Funky Dude Geno - I'm tempted to move this pair down into scum leans but I think I'd rather wait and see Geno at EoD first. Geno has made noise but there's not much behind it except needling Stu. Some light feints at others. Sparky is sheeping, but that's within parameters of his town play, so this team is indeterminate.
CoolestBeat - where'd they go?
Fantopinhead - I started out not feeling Fanto, but I'm fine with this "this is the new chill Fanto" explanation and he's put in a bit of work after. It still feels somewhat lackluster but it may just be new playstyle developing. I do not think much of Zipped's contributions here, especially not looking outside vote leaders. I understand it's a big thread and folks have limited time, but things will shift before EoD and what then?
Scum leans -
I'm not liking the cagey avoidance I'm seeing in the Katsune and Pirate Malus teams and kitsunelaine's drop in volume is a big red flag to me. If Bae and malus vote, I may feel differently here, depending, but there's some definite avoidance there. I'm iffy on flatearthstans and maybe they should be in the middle pack, but I'm concerned a bit about feps. Stan, on the other hand, has taken some positions and is definitely within town Stan parameters, but I don't know that I trust myself to read him with confidence right now. They wouldn't be my first vote today, but I do have them as a scum lean at the moment.
Pirate Malus
Katsune
flatearthstans
Oh, I forgot to grab this quote. It was GTA, unless I'm remembering that wrong, you were Roman right?
I'm in the office and trying to catch up, but apparently the cleaning crew fucked up while trying to shampoo the carpets and now the whole place smells like cleaner. My brain is on fire and I might head home early.
ah, yeah thats right.
jesus that game had completely deleted itself from my mind
"Kits is such a high activity poster, she's definitely scum"
"Whoa Kits backed off and contributed at a rate people deem reasonable for others, that means she's definitely scum"
Y'all could at least try.
"Whoa Kits backed off and contributed at a rate people deem reasonable for others, that means she's definitely scum"
Y'all could at least try.
Asleep. Morning
B-dubs I hope everything goes all right
I can't tell if I'm reading this breadcrumbing wrong. Should I wait until later in the game to see if their eventual claim matches up or tip my hand now and hope I'm right on what the implication is?
You're probably gone already but did anyone actually say that first thing? I don't think the issue was ever too much activity.
In completely unrelated news, I'm surprised that I'm so opposite to Fanto in most (all?) of his reads.
Concur. This is why I work from home now - they're constantly doing this shit in my building and I can't handle it.
You should never be claiming for someone else if that's what you're asking.
Took a while to catch up and couldn't keep up with the thread yesterday, but things should be better today.
I'll try focusing on what I have in mind instead on trying to go over everything all the time.
Anyway, thinking on full pairs, I feel good about and wouln't vote for: Verelios/Apollo; Brazil/Flux and Xbro/Reki.
On the current vote leaders, I don't care much for what I've seen from Monkey and discussed her initial stance on Sorian with Fran on our chat. Although Stuart makes me relunctant to vote there at the moment. Don't expect Scum!Stuart to have such a rough game start and his interactions with Sorian especially seem at odds with what I had in mind.
At the same time, I'm not sure I follow the Pirate Bae/Malus wagon, though the players voting there don't match with a possible counter wagon against the Stuart/Monkey lynch.
Don't think the Absolut/Ty, Kits/Kalor and Chugg/SkyOdin votes will gain traction, so maybe this one will:
Vote: B-Dubs
We saw a lot of discussion over B-Dubs and Sorian throughout the first day of the phase. That deflated a lot and I wanna see where things stand now.
I'll try focusing on what I have in mind instead on trying to go over everything all the time.
Anyway, thinking on full pairs, I feel good about and wouln't vote for: Verelios/Apollo; Brazil/Flux and Xbro/Reki.
On the current vote leaders, I don't care much for what I've seen from Monkey and discussed her initial stance on Sorian with Fran on our chat. Although Stuart makes me relunctant to vote there at the moment. Don't expect Scum!Stuart to have such a rough game start and his interactions with Sorian especially seem at odds with what I had in mind.
At the same time, I'm not sure I follow the Pirate Bae/Malus wagon, though the players voting there don't match with a possible counter wagon against the Stuart/Monkey lynch.
Don't think the Absolut/Ty, Kits/Kalor and Chugg/SkyOdin votes will gain traction, so maybe this one will:
Vote: B-Dubs
We saw a lot of discussion over B-Dubs and Sorian throughout the first day of the phase. That deflated a lot and I wanna see where things stand now.
I think it's Bae doing the same thing we saw her do in MafiEra as scum. She latches onto some force reads with flimsy reasoning and then just tries to ride them out while being non-committal to most other things.
And you're right, I totally spaced that kyaa was part of the cultists at first. I'd have to go back to that game to refresh myself of what his posts were like and what I thought of them at the time though.
What puts Kits/Kalor ahead of your other scum reads?
It was a joke, and I would hope he realizes that given the context lol
I do agree about voting - I didn't miss that I put that thought out before and it was glossed over by those guilty of not voting, specifically those that have a decent amount of posts.
Glad no one was hurt!
I found this whole conversation weirdly disingenous. Stuart's vote for Sorian didn't have much weight, but the reasoning is clear: pointing out breadcrumbs is a bad move for townies and Stuart believes that Town!Sorian wouldn't do that.
How Stuart had to explain this simple idea over multiple posts is weird and it made me think that Sorian is just nitpicking.
Just to confirm, is this related to an already discussed breadcrumb that I glossed over or is this something you saw?
Either way, like Sorian said, I don't think you should claim against a breadcrumb.
So, looking through the list of teams, I think my vote is fine with settling on any of the following:
Tybro - This would be based almost solely on Ty4on, as I don't really have any bad thoughts about AB but he hasn't given us a whole lot either. For Ty, similar thoughts to his behavior in HoH, not a whole lot of talk about his reads, kind of entered into a Shadow Lurker status again now.
S-Dubs - I actually have worse feelings about Sorian in this game than I have in any other game I've played with him, which troubles me because I haven't seen him as Scum before. Normally I do feel I would be able to point to things about his play that I've liked on D1 and that seem townish to me, but not so much this time. As for Dubs, there's just not a whole lot to go on, so my feelings on Sorian aren't changed by anything Dubs has said or done.
Funky Dude Geno - I explained a bit earlier on my thoughts on Geno, and I understand if that is normal parameters for what people expect from him, but the way he went in on the Dr. Stuart vote still looks a bit opportunistic to me, and I don't fully buy it.
CoolestBeat - Coolest hasn't been much of a presence in the back half of the day and hasn't been of much help. Z-Beat seems a bit lost at times, and I can't quite tell if it's real or an act, but it gives me bad vibes.
FlatearthStans - Somewhat based on activity levels, but also not really getting too much from them when they are around, along with paranoia about how they could play as Scum.
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Tybro - This would be based almost solely on Ty4on, as I don't really have any bad thoughts about AB but he hasn't given us a whole lot either. For Ty, similar thoughts to his behavior in HoH, not a whole lot of talk about his reads, kind of entered into a Shadow Lurker status again now.
S-Dubs - I actually have worse feelings about Sorian in this game than I have in any other game I've played with him, which troubles me because I haven't seen him as Scum before. Normally I do feel I would be able to point to things about his play that I've liked on D1 and that seem townish to me, but not so much this time. As for Dubs, there's just not a whole lot to go on, so my feelings on Sorian aren't changed by anything Dubs has said or done.
Funky Dude Geno - I explained a bit earlier on my thoughts on Geno, and I understand if that is normal parameters for what people expect from him, but the way he went in on the Dr. Stuart vote still looks a bit opportunistic to me, and I don't fully buy it.
CoolestBeat - Coolest hasn't been much of a presence in the back half of the day and hasn't been of much help. Z-Beat seems a bit lost at times, and I can't quite tell if it's real or an act, but it gives me bad vibes.
FlatearthStans - Somewhat based on activity levels, but also not really getting too much from them when they are around, along with paranoia about how they could play as Scum.
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I'm surprised at how little about you has stuck out to me so far tbh, why am I having trouble thinking of you as Town?
Neither. I'm trying to figure out if it was potential scum implication that they know or if I'm overthinking it.
Maybe I'm misremembering but I feel like some variant of the first one was used at some point.
Good reads.
Who do you feel worse about on the FlatearthStans pair? I think for me it's FEP with his on and off approach so far to specific topics with no follow up, but I'm kinda worried how a Scum!Stan would work here.
It's a real act to act real when you're real enough to act real, really
If the breadcrumb you saw was a scum implication? I'm not sure I'm following.
I mean, it is nitpicking but it's still important nitpicking. He never actually connected the motive to my alignment. He specifically said he was voting me because he believed I was scum but then also presented a thing I did where the worry was me pointing something out to scum. He then retconned it later to say he was actually worried that I was trying to bait people for reactions so I knew who to kill tonight but having to retconn that already shows he didn't actually think it through at the start.
Sounds like a you problem and not a me problem. My goal isn't to prove to anyone that I'm town. Monkey can keep asking that question until she is blue in the face and I hope everyone keeps finding nothing.