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Aloy38

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Jul 31, 2020
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I've changed the Xbox hdmi input to PC as suggested - but does the label have to remain as "PC" or can I edit it to say "Xbox", while technically still being the PC input? (Hope that question makes sense!)
 

Theorry

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Oct 27, 2017
61,277
Came across this vid. Has alot of side to side comparisons between DTM, HGIG and DV. And Forza in HDR is good for to compare the settings also

 
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P40L0

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Jun 12, 2018
7,659
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A bit OT, but if you're looking for the best Wireless Headset ever made for both music, movies and games to pair to an XSX/XSS, a PS5 or PC have a look at this post (quotes to read first).

They're the Penrose X
You'll find my Suggested Settings for them too there ;)

Cheers,
-P
 

DOTDASHDOT

Helios Abandoned. Atropos Conquered.
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Oct 26, 2017
3,080
Agreed. I'm still laughing about its Sharpness conspiracy theories.

I'm probably cursing myself and his awful videos will start cropping up again, but I went out of my way to try and stop his crap appearing on my feed, and only since YT has done away with thumbs down not showing has my downvoting had any effect, and now I'm Quantum free lol, it is unbelievable how many people take on his advice, literally skewing their interpretation of what good PQ actually is/isn't! His latest thing I saw was to tell people not to use HDR as SDR offers far better picture quality, showing washed out video etc 🤣
 

Maverick-Swe

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Nov 26, 2017
327
Sweden
A bit OT, but if you're looking for the best Wireless Headset ever made for both music, movies and games to pair to an XSX/XSS, a PS5 or PC have a look at this post (quotes to read first).

They're the Penrose X
You'll find my Suggested Settings for them too there ;)

Cheers,
-P
Cheers! Didn't know about these eq settings. Such a big difference to my standard 0 on all haha.
BTW do you know what sidetone is doing? I left it off.

The update to 0.1.1.2 which came out now earlier in December fixed the woshing sound for mine in the left ear cup so like my Penrose X a lot now.
 
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P40L0

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Jun 12, 2018
7,659
Italy
Cheers! Didn't know about these eq settings. Such a big difference to my standard 0 on all haha.
BTW do you know what sidetone is doing? I left it off.

The update to 0.1.1.2 which came out now earlier in December fixed the woshing sound for mine in the left ear cup so like my Penrose X a lot now.
Sidetone is basically Mic monitoring, where you can hear yourself without shouting while talking. I always leave it on for chattting and just put the mic in mute when not.

I'm so happy with these headset so far.
 
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Lkr

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Oct 28, 2017
9,624
So should I be using pc mode on my CX when playing my series x?
you can get 444 chrome but you're not really gonna be able to tell a difference in any content on xbox basically
if you don't use your xbox for any kind of media, there really isn't any downside to doing it though
 

Hazuki_X

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Dec 11, 2021
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you can get 444 chrome but you're not really gonna be able to tell a difference in any content on xbox basically
if you don't use your xbox for any kind of media, there really isn't any downside to doing it though
ok, thanks!

I had read on Avforums that pc mode provides a sharper image. Any truth to that?
 

DOTDASHDOT

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Oct 26, 2017
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Hazuki_X Couple of shots I took, you should be able to tell which is PC and non :)
 

thatJohann

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Nov 17, 2020
866
So after the latest update to my C1 OLED, PC mode seems to have a bit more input lag than Game mode. I switched randomly to Game mode (non-PC) just to check it out and immediately noticed it felt more responsive when moving the camera compared to PC mode. Both modes using Game optimizer.

Anyone else notice this? Or am I nuts? Also I don't see any banding on non-PC mode anymore. Go figure. Whoever posted that last comparison pic from the force awakens - what tv and firmware is that?
 

DassoBrother

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Oct 25, 2017
2,639
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I went back from PC to Game Console for the HDMI input recently. I think my reasoning was to try out OLED Motion Pro (or whatever BFI is called). I ended up disabling that again but didn't bother to go back to PC. Input delay seems about the same to me. The difference of 4:4:4 is unnoticeable to me. Not saying those screens are phoney but they aren't the same moment from the game, with different illumination in the scene.
 

Xbox Live Mike

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The Fallen
Oct 29, 2017
2,437
USA
Ever since the update on my B9 last week the screen will go darker for a few seconds and then back to normal, randomly. Noticed it during Netflix a lot.
 

thatJohann

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Nov 17, 2020
866
I just tried Valhalla on PS5 and I see the same banding (lots of it) on both PC mode and non-PC mode. It looks kinda washed out too. Not sure what's going on. Didn't notice this before. C1. Latest update.
 

DOTDASHDOT

Helios Abandoned. Atropos Conquered.
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Oct 26, 2017
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DOTDASHDOT

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I went back from PC to Game Console for the HDMI input recently. I think my reasoning was to try out OLED Motion Pro (or whatever BFI is called). I ended up disabling that again but didn't bother to go back to PC. Input delay seems about the same to me. The difference of 4:4:4 is unnoticeable to me. Not saying those screens are phoney but they aren't the same moment from the game, with different illumination in the scene.

It was the exposure on the phone, as to why it looks different, I can assure you they aren't dodgy, you just gotta do what works for you and your TV, for the CX and G1, it is very noticeable, could never go back to not using it, and also remember the only real difference you'll see is gradation smoothness, so if it's a block colour, or something without gradual gradients, you won't know.

I just tried Valhalla on PS5 and I see the same banding (lots of it) on both PC mode and non-PC mode. It looks kinda washed out too. Not sure what's going on. Didn't notice this before. C1. Latest update.

Change your settings etc, everything will default to different presets. I'll check later if lag has changed or not, with a measuring device.
 
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Garwoofoo

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Oct 28, 2017
252
The single biggest reason to use PC mode, is to reduce colour banding (smooth gradations) vs non PC.

This issue was fixed in the recent big firmware (the one that added 120Hz Dolby Vision). The banding on Game mode and PC mode is the same now. I agree that previously it was much better in PC mode.

With the banding fixed, and Dolby Vision not able to use 4:4:4 chroma in any mode due to bandwidth limitations, there's much less reason to use PC mode for the Xbox than there used to be. I guess it still gives you 4:4:4 in SDR?
 

DOTDASHDOT

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Oct 26, 2017
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This issue was fixed in the recent big firmware (the one that added 120Hz Dolby Vision). The banding on Game mode and PC mode is the same now. I agree that previously it was much better in PC mode.

With the banding fixed, and Dolby Vision not able to use 4:4:4 chroma in any mode due to bandwidth limitations, there's much less reason to use PC mode for the Xbox than there used to be. I guess it still gives you 4:4:4 in SDR?

There definitely was a major improvement when it came to DV and 120hz banding, which essentially made it the same as 60hz, I'll have another look later and check again to compare PC and non game, and stick another couple of screens up.
 
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Denogginizer

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Apr 14, 2019
130
I bought a new Yamaha A4A receiver and I have everything running through it before the tv. I cannot change the Input on my B9 to PC anymore. Anyone know anything about this?
 

Lkr

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Oct 28, 2017
9,624
I bought a new Yamaha A4A receiver and I have everything running through it before the tv. I cannot change the Input on my B9 to PC anymore. Anyone know anything about this?
did you use an AVR before? i'm wondering if there's something funny going on with how the LG connects to a multi input AVR. when I have cec on, my avr with 4 inputs is seen as 1 input on the tv with the same picture profile. so anything plugged into the avr will have the same exact picture settings. the LG automatically detects I have an avr with multiple inputs however, and I wonder if it's doing the same for you, where CEC has identified that it's not a PC whatsoever

just speculation on my part. I don't know if the B9 gets a huge improvement with PC mode, but on the CX it's just easier to keep it off PC mode
 

thatJohann

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Nov 17, 2020
866
There definitely was a major improvement when it came to DV and 120hz banding, which essentially made it the same as 60hz, I'll have another look later and check again to compare PC and non game, and stick another couple of screens up.

looking forward to your analysis. Spent all night comparing PC mode vs non-PC mode on the C1 with the latest update. Banding looks the same on both. And I feel input lag is now a bit lower on non-PC mode.
 

thatJohann

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Nov 17, 2020
866
This issue was fixed in the recent big firmware (the one that added 120Hz Dolby Vision). The banding on Game mode and PC mode is the same now. I agree that previously it was much better in PC mode.

With the banding fixed, and Dolby Vision not able to use 4:4:4 chroma in any mode due to bandwidth limitations, there's much less reason to use PC mode for the Xbox than there used to be. I guess it still gives you 4:4:4 in SDR?

agreed. I can't see a difference in banding anymore on the latest update on C1.