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Nami/Lee Sin could be trouble. She might be my favorite champ reveal so far? Love Fizz and this is a great support for my little dude. Her level up is also maybe the best in the game.
You'd have no way of giving LS overwhelm so the OTK potential would be much more limited.
Nami is so good, really ties together this "cheap spell spam" archetype that Fizz and other Attune followers have wanted.
Man I am kinda worried for the meta with the next expansion.
We know some form of Discard is going to be tier 1, maybe even two different types. There will be several new Elusive decks running around and hell you can even build a triple Elusive line up. And then we have Poppy Rally small unit deck which will also be aggressive. And then we have a bunch of Pranks and hand disruption thrown in the mix.
Only control/Midrange type archetype we have are traps with Caitlyn and Darkness with Viego + Senna. Not many ways to slow down the game.
I want the next two champions to be Midrange and Control focused. Please no more of this aggro/low to the ground stuff!
So I guess next Champ is going to be Xerath which is going to be a spell based control deck for Shurima and Ziggs for Bandle City. Pure speculation though based on their own trailers. So far I have been pleasantly surprised with their reveal orders.
We know some form of Discard is going to be tier 1, maybe even two different types. There will be several new Elusive decks running around and hell you can even build a triple Elusive line up. And then we have Poppy Rally small unit deck which will also be aggressive. And then we have a bunch of Pranks and hand disruption thrown in the mix.
Only control/Midrange type archetype we have are traps with Caitlyn and Darkness with Viego + Senna. Not many ways to slow down the game.
I want the next two champions to be Midrange and Control focused. Please no more of this aggro/low to the ground stuff!
So I guess next Champ is going to be Xerath which is going to be a spell based control deck for Shurima and Ziggs for Bandle City. Pure speculation though based on their own trailers. So far I have been pleasantly surprised with their reveal orders.
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Kinda wonder if a Senna/Nami control shell would be worth playing...? Some solid slow spells to choose from there.
What unit would you want to buff in that deck? Nami feels like a type of card that is used to buff up Elusives which are generally weaker units and threaten big damage from them. Like buffing Fizz a few times is game winning.
Anything you can toss on the board to trade up with aggro deck units, really.
At present I'm all in on building a Caitlyn deck; although I do have to confess there are a load of other decks I can't wait to try out.
I have a hunch Ziggs will be trap based too which is what I'm really looking forward to because at the moment there is only Puff caps and Flashbombs which limits the potential of Caitlyn from a build perspective. The new Corina card is absolute fire too.
I have a hunch Ziggs will be trap based too which is what I'm really looking forward to because at the moment there is only Puff caps and Flashbombs which limits the potential of Caitlyn from a build perspective. The new Corina card is absolute fire too.
Nami seems cool as hell, PLUS she's voiced by the same voice actress as Morgana from Persona 5 which instantly made me like her haha. Man, I'm loving almost everything about this expansion so far. I hope it turns out to be as exciting to play as it has been to be revealed, might be the best expansion yet!
I have no idea who this champ is or why they're exciting
I like that it's going into an underdeveloped archetype and a new aesthetic for Bilgewater
I like that it's going into an underdeveloped archetype and a new aesthetic for Bilgewater
Aggro is the best
SIR YES SIROh my ACTUAL FUCKING GOD
I like that the card says Swim and then has Swim on it
I'm just in awe that Shelly the Wave Rider is getting the Cythria treatment, and he's bringing Bubble Bear with him. Beautiful.
I feel like I'm missing something. Why does Lee Sin need overwhelm? Doesn't he just kick everything into the nexus and do damage while doing that when he attacks after you play a spell to give him challenger after he levels up?
He needs the Overwhelm for his Attack to work after the Kick because you've removed the blocker from combat. If you have Overwhelm it's 10 to OTK, otherwise it's 20.
Nami is going to put Fizz into overdrive. Between her package and pranks, I think Fizz is coming out of this xpac the big winner.
Ah. I didn't realize it worked like that.
I only really play with him in ultra rapid so I don't typically end up with overwhelm on him :P
I am pretty sure that at no point in game's history people were saying so. Aggro has always been at least alright
Aggro was bad in Foundations and that's it. Once Rising Tides came out aggro was consistently effective or top tier depending on what got patched.
For some reason I kept thinking this was a small expansion and each day I've been pleasantly surprised with so many cards. Ignorance is great sometimes.
Overall a lot of fun cards. As always with any new expansions, I reiterate how I hope they don't give streamers early access and make day 1 an absolute bore. Last expansion first day was horrible.
Overall a lot of fun cards. As always with any new expansions, I reiterate how I hope they don't give streamers early access and make day 1 an absolute bore. Last expansion first day was horrible.
Pranks will be a core component of Bandle style control.
As for Senna you are going to see her in a bunch of control decks between how go hard decks in the past played out against elusives and avalanche Senna will be paired up in bilgewater, pnz, freljord and ionia.
She'll be more prolific than Lissandra without being as toxic as Watcher because the 4 regions encourage very different styles of play with their alternative win conditions.
This expansion is very exciting.
wow look at unleashed energy compared to shaped stone. wtf. Really expecting that shaped stone nerf i guess.
Xerath doesn't look good at all. Landmark synergy wasn't really there before and now destroying landmarks as an archetype. I can't imagine it'll be good. Taliyah/Thralls is decent and could have used a little more support. Maybe a ton of landmarks are getting revamped.
Xerath doesn't look good at all. Landmark synergy wasn't really there before and now destroying landmarks as an archetype. I can't imagine it'll be good. Taliyah/Thralls is decent and could have used a little more support. Maybe a ton of landmarks are getting revamped.
Yeah most of these cards seem like a buff to Taliyah/Malphite.
I don't think leveling up Xerath will be that hard (since it's not an I have seen). At least it controls the board for Mono Shurima deck.. COPIUM!
Xerath is decent but I don't know if it makes the cut.
I don't think leveling up Xerath will be that hard (since it's not an I have seen). At least it controls the board for Mono Shurima deck.. COPIUM!
Xerath is decent but I don't know if it makes the cut.
It does count, it is shown in the video.
Xerath seems super interesting! I'm not entirely sure how he'll actually be but he's at the very least interesting. I hope Gnar is tomorrow…Ziggs is boring, change my mind.
I really don't see what Riot is going for with the landmarks. It is impossible to actually get value from all the synergistic followers if you are dead, and that is what happens when trying to play landmarks that consume all your mana and do not impact the board in a meaningful way
I haven't made a landmark deck, and just played with them in PVE and ultra rapid, but my main issues tend to be they tend to not be worth the slots they take up and end up ruining the effects of too many cards the in the middle of the game as when other creatures get summoned by card effects they just die with no chance to replace.
so I often find myself with not enough defenders if I play landmarks. Though a lot of them do indeed feel like they are lacking impact for the cost.
Taliyah Malphite is actually a good deck and is only getting stronger with these set of cards.
Landmarks are fine when they provide some upfront value and then pay off for triggering their effect. The new Obilisk of Power card is a good card in this regard like Preservarium, you get the +2 attack right away on Summon and then again when it Countdown. Landmarks summoned through other means like Spells and units are also good, like Roiling Sands (in this deck) and Rock Hopper.
I think where it becomes sketchy is the static over turn value Landmarks. Aside from the 6 mana one they just printed, the new ones don't really fall into this trap. I think stuff like Scargrounds and Grand Plaza are really problematic, where they are either game winning and deck enabling when played on curve but suck when played after or if you drew multiple copies of them. I think I would much rather have like Scargrounds or Grand Plaza grant their effect to one card on board when played EVEN if they costed 1 more mana to sort of bridge the floor and ceiling power of the cards.
So I don't think Landmarks are inherently a unbalanceable or weak concept but I think in the past especially for non-Shuriman cards, Riot has missed the mark on Landmarks.
It's hard to guage Xerath's viability as I think his concept of a control style champ for landmarks just isn't really something available yet. I think he's deceptively powerful as his level 1 version will almost never see play... destroying 4 landmarks is so absurdly easy in the kind of deck he wants to play that he'll always be leveled by turns 4-6. He's definitely a wait and see for me.
Taliyah + Malphite is going to be the absolute nuts with this package though.
Taliyah + Malphite is going to be the absolute nuts with this package though.
I wonder if you go more low to the ground with Akshan + Taliyah Landmarks and cut Malphite. That's certainly possible I think.
Right now, without seeing the last Bandle City champion, the top 5 "new" decks that pop out to me are:
*Midrange Discard only you probably don't use Sion, just the busted followers. Also Aggro Discard gets more refined by association.
*Taliyah Malphite more refined and punchier. I don't see Xerath being used unless it's a certain meta but it's nice to see an actual control Shurima champion.
*Fizz Nami BW/BC Elusives. The deck basically builds itself, it's very strong and a good front runner. It will be running Pranks as well.
*Poppy Lulu Demacia. Buffs + Rallies. I think Yordle Smith is going to be really strong here as well.
*Senna Go Hard. Some form of control deck using Go Hard + Senna, the deck can be played in a few ways (Ionia or PnZ or BW). I don't see all in Darkness being that good but you may want to run some of the cards. In a different meta, Senna + Veigar could be good.
Honestly outside of Poppy, Nami and Senna... I am not feeling most of the new champions. They are "fine" but I am not tripping over myself wanting to make a build around them.
No idea how to build Caitlyn traps yet. I think safest way to build it is still Freljord + PnZ with Puffcap Peddlers.
Right now, without seeing the last Bandle City champion, the top 5 "new" decks that pop out to me are:
*Midrange Discard only you probably don't use Sion, just the busted followers. Also Aggro Discard gets more refined by association.
*Taliyah Malphite more refined and punchier. I don't see Xerath being used unless it's a certain meta but it's nice to see an actual control Shurima champion.
*Fizz Nami BW/BC Elusives. The deck basically builds itself, it's very strong and a good front runner. It will be running Pranks as well.
*Poppy Lulu Demacia. Buffs + Rallies. I think Yordle Smith is going to be really strong here as well.
*Senna Go Hard. Some form of control deck using Go Hard + Senna, the deck can be played in a few ways (Ionia or PnZ or BW). I don't see all in Darkness being that good but you may want to run some of the cards. In a different meta, Senna + Veigar could be good.
Honestly outside of Poppy, Nami and Senna... I am not feeling most of the new champions. They are "fine" but I am not tripping over myself wanting to make a build around them.
No idea how to build Caitlyn traps yet. I think safest way to build it is still Freljord + PnZ with Puffcap Peddlers.
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Taliyah is what got me to try this game out (saw her sick level up animation in the app store), and I've only been able to make her work in a stacked Expedition run when I first started playing. But I discovered GrandpaRoji recently who does great with his Taliyah/Malphite decks, so it's been fun learning by watching him. I'm extremely happy for more landmark support so Taliyah can be played in more ways.
I'll also say this is my first region expansion, and this is quite an exciting time for this game!
I'll also say this is my first region expansion, and this is quite an exciting time for this game!
Xerath looks not great
Taliyah/Malphite/Akshan look like they're getting a lot more strong tools though
Also it's hilarious that these are some good 3 drops but also... Shurima wasn't hurting for one of those lol
Taliyah/Malphite/Akshan look like they're getting a lot more strong tools though
Also it's hilarious that these are some good 3 drops but also... Shurima wasn't hurting for one of those lol
There is some copium for Xerath and that is that tomorrow's champion Ziggs might be the pair up to Shurima. Ziggs is a champion that excels at destroying towers and they might want to translate that ability into LOR by him destroying landmarks.
If Ziggs provide an appropriate win condition for Landmark destroying archetype then that might make Xerath and Ziggs pretty good together. We all thought Veigar sucked until they released Senna so this might be another champion pairing that we are missing (Veigar may still be mediocre but much better than initially revealed).
If Ziggs provide an appropriate win condition for Landmark destroying archetype then that might make Xerath and Ziggs pretty good together. We all thought Veigar sucked until they released Senna so this might be another champion pairing that we are missing (Veigar may still be mediocre but much better than initially revealed).
I really wish tomorrow is Gnar and not Ziggs. Ziggs is boring. Frejlord/Bandle City champ cmooooon…first Yordle. It would be fitting!
So seems like streamers are getting early access again. Riot must have some data that it's better for engagement with the game or something, but I personally don't like it. Let everyone have the joy of discovering how decks work all at the same time, not streamers/people who watch streamers first and then everyone else second.
I think it's fine for larger expansions with large card pools/different champions plus big balance patch versus a smaller expansion release with hardly any balance changes.
Like it was pretty bad when they released Azir Irelia and in that expansion there were basically only 2 new decks to try and one was clearly stronger than the other (it was Zilean and Malphite, and Zilean didn't have echo). And then once it was discovered Azir Irelia was really strong, the next day was flooded with Azir Irelia. In the long scheme of things it wouldn't have changed much but I think at least on the first couple of days we should have more diversity and experimentation.
Like it was pretty bad when they released Azir Irelia and in that expansion there were basically only 2 new decks to try and one was clearly stronger than the other (it was Zilean and Malphite, and Zilean didn't have echo). And then once it was discovered Azir Irelia was really strong, the next day was flooded with Azir Irelia. In the long scheme of things it wouldn't have changed much but I think at least on the first couple of days we should have more diversity and experimentation.
level up reminds me of ezreal. Almost certainly not going to be as good but he does seem decent. Will probably be decent with Taliyah but I still think Xerath is sort of bad.
Hexplosive Minefield is quite good.
Hexplosive Minefield is quite good.
I TOLD YOU GUYS!!! XERATH SAVED COPIUM!
I think it's entirely possible you can run Xerath + Ziggs without running Bandle City. BC doesn't have that many Landmarks synergy card. So you can run a slow burn with like Noxus + Shurima or Shurima + PnZ control/burn.
I think it's entirely possible you can run Xerath + Ziggs without running Bandle City. BC doesn't have that many Landmarks synergy card. So you can run a slow burn with like Noxus + Shurima or Shurima + PnZ control/burn.
Weird that Ziggs himself doesn't do any landmark destruction. Also minor ding for being Shuriman and not P&Z flavorwise. Converting Roiling Sands into a 3m Decimate sounds fun.
Should we get this thread back in Gaming now?
Should we get this thread back in Gaming now?
Woof no balance changes until late October is wild. I guess they want to wait to see how Bandle will shake up the meta but having Ruin Runner and Merciless Hunter be unchanged for another few months is going to be rough.