Just bought Persona 5 on sale. It has no Spanish subs. Fuck Atlus, seriously.

[mrmoose]

It's fascinating to me that we got to the point where having a game localized to your language is considered a standard practice, a few years ago that was unthinkable, and in a lot of countries it still is. Good to see it changing, people shouldn't be forced to learn english just to play video games. Native english speakers have no idea of how privileged they are.

The OP is right to complain, big companies can't just assume their players can speak english anymore, SEGA and Atlus can do better than this.

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It used to be you had to learn Japanese to play a lot of games. That changed, but only because the market got big enough that an English release and/or translation made sense. There are a lot of languages in the world, and I understand Spanish is probably second only to English in terms of what's used in the US, but how many translations are considered "standard" before they can release a game?

Like I said before, they released this in Germany and France without German or French subtitles, and personally I think they have a big case as well, but it obviously didn't make sense to translate such a text heavy game.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

OP admitted that they didnt do research on a product they impulse bought tho.

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Aye he did and people were still twats about it and it's still shitty practice by Atlus. Not only one of these things has to be true.

 

[Queen Calanthe]

Imagine having to research if a damn game comes in the language of the country you releasing.

Do you guys check if a game comes in english? I bet no. We should be no different. It's friggin Spanish, not an obscure language.

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That is not how it works.

Stop with this dumb language entitlement

 

[Glio]

"Big game".
The last enty in the serie was released on Vita. It's not as big as some of you are thinking.

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I think Xenoblade 2 and Octopath sold more in Spain and were translated so, take it as you like.

 

[Oreiller]

"Big game".
The last enty in the serie was released on Vita. It's not as big as some of you are thinking.

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It's one of the biggest JRPG out there. If Tales of Hearts on the Vita could get translated (yeah, it was a shitty translation but still), Persona 5 has no excuse.

 

[xEik]

All deserving a sub. A game releasing in a country should have a sub of it's language, period. Defending otherwise it's nuts IMO.

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What is even opportunity cost?

 

[Wamb0wneD]

I never claimed otherwise. The point was the only people who decide what is and isn't derailing is the moderation. Just because you call it derailing, it doesn't mean it is unless the mods say otherwise.

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But it is, per definition, derailment. The thread was about a nonexistent Spanish dub, not the homophobic contents of the game. Those are two different topics entirely. The mods deeming the latter topic more important than the former (which I would agree with), is a different thing.
Edit: Nvm, just saw they are banned...let's hope this goes over well..

 

[JB2448]

Lemme hop on the I hate atlus train real quick to get some brownie points on era.

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Yes, that's what this is about. You've cracked the code.

It couldn't possibly be because I'm a fan of Atlus' previous work and have been educated about modern Persona's history of affronts to people who have the gall to be who they truly are. From things like the way Naoto is handled in Persona 4 to the trans panic in Persona 3, I can't support what was once one of my favorite developers in good conscience anymore.

It's worth bringing these things up so they don't get buried or forgotten.

The Phobic Crimes of Katsura Hashino (Director/Producer, ATLUS)

WHAT IS THIS? It was suggested by several members in the ongoing thread about the Catherine: Full Body scandal (see below) that a "megathread" be created about the man responsible, Katsura Hashino. The purpose of said thread would be to educate Era users about his views, works, and the...

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I'm not going to lose sleep over someone bringing this up in discussion of P5. Atlus could just make a non homophobic game and this wouldn't be an issue. You also have an ignore feature so you can just use that.

Otherwise report it.

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The only people that decides this person is "wrong" is the moderation team. So unless they come in here and tell this person to knock it off, they are fine. Hence why I suggest using the report function or the ignore function.

Whether you do or not, personally, I don't care.

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Thank you.

In any case, I really hope that in addition to changing its stance on the LGBTQ community, Atlus can at least do EFIGS text localizations alongside the customary Japanese and English dubs. It's pretty close to an industry standard for localization.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Fair enough

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For the record I think he's being annoying and have already said as much.

 

[Deleted member 58846]

For the record I think he's being annoying and have already said as much.

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Yup, I agree with you, I should have been more mindful of the context of your posts before jumping in. Sorry about that.

 

[Ferrs]

That is not how it works.

Stop with this dumb language entitlement

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"entitlement" lmao. Whatever.

 

[Manu]

That is not how it works.

Stop with this dumb language entitlement

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Imagine believing this is not privilege.

 

[RelaxItsJustMe]

Imagine having to research if a damn game comes in the language of the country you releasing.

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So a shitton of European countries? I'd bet that a lot of European countries don't even bother to check because they assume it won't be released in their language. The common languages are EFIGS after all, that's a lot of languages missing from just Europe.

I know I at least don't bother checking anymore.

 

[Lobster Roll]

Damn, this thread is American as fuck. Sorry, OP. I definitely get your frustration about no Spanish subs. It's pretty surprising to hear that a game as big as P5 doesn't have them.

 

[Oreiller]

Instead when a game comes with only Japanese dub, people go feral.

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Oh yeah, that's the dumbest shit. I remember people in this very forum stating that Sega was lazy and not taking the west seriously for not dubbing the next Sakura Wars in english, even though it's being translated in EFIGS.

 

[AllMight1]

So OP, are you going to ask for a refund?

no you can't. If you're playing this game you're actively condoning homophobia and transphobia. But keep telling yourself otherwise.

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Yeah youre absolutely way out of line and no wonder you got the ban.

 

[Flame Lord]

Some of you people are absolutely terrible. I know someone said a bad word about a company that publishes your anime games but fuck me, have a bit of understanding at his frustration, it's very easy when you speak English and a massive part of the market is catered towards you but not everyone has that luxury, OP is understandably disappointed as he was hoping to enjoy this with his partner, you don't need to whinge at him for it.

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I'd say the reactions in this thread are pretty strong for what seems like a pretty niche feature. I nor no one else knows Atlus' financial situation, maybe this series, in which P5 was the first to sale over a million as far as I know, doesn't sell well enough in other territories to warrant translating it in 20 different languages. It sucks, but what are you going to do if they can't afford it? Don't but it and move on; maybe they'll do better with their next game since they'll probably have a bigger budget and Sega behind them

 

[--R]

I think Xenoblade 2 and Octopath sold more in Spain and were translated so, take it as you like.

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And then games like Tales, who come subbed, sell 1250 copies on a year. It's time to face it, selling a JRPG that's not from Nintendo or SE it's grime on Spain.

 

[Deleted member 10629]

Yeah I think that it should be standard that all big games should have Spanish subtitles. It is 2019 and Atlus is a big company, they can set a bit of all that merchandising money to pay a couple of Spanish translators.

 

[XaviConcept]

Are you playing games in Japanese? I mean why not? It's a great way to learn japanese!

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Pretty much every school in latin america teaches English as a second language and its the most popular language in the world. Japanese? Not so much.

 

[NattyBo]

That really sucks OP, and I'm also sorry so many replies here are so shitty like it's your fault for not checking a basic feature in 2019

 

[Yu Narukami]

You know what's worse? Buying the Latin American version of any game with Castilian Spanish Dub as the only Spanish option.

Joder!!!!!!!!!

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Sorry for being an ignorant. Is the difference that big to the point that you don't understand anything?

 

[RedSwirl]

It's not a little rinky-dink developer anymore.

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They still seem to act like one for some reason though.

Persona and MegaTen games basically started out being on the upper tier of otaku games with a longer heritage than most of then, and since Persona 3 really broke out of that box sales-wise. Atlus Japan doesn't seem to have changed its behavior to adapt to that though. Atlus USA puts a ton of work into the English translations but they still come months after the Japanese. It's as if Atlas Japan doesn't know or care that Persona games outsell a ton of western RPGs in western countries.

And in regards to the Yakuza series, even the English version were an afterthought for the longest times. In the past you'd get the English version years later and until then we never knew if there would be an English version at all. SEGA back then were understandably more focused on getting the games translated into Korean and Chinese. Then Atlus USA came in and the change has been significant. Judgement added FIGS subs for the first time so maybe we can hope for them in Yakuza 7.

Language and Sub information should be readily available on the specific game page like it is on Steam. Both PSN and Xbox fail at this.

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I was gonna ask about this. On PC you can just look at a game's store page on any digital game store, and failing that you can check PCGamingWiki. Is there any resource that does this for console games?

 

[Thuddert]

And then games like Tales, who come subbed, sell 1250 copies on a year. It's time to face it, selling a JRPG that's not from Nintendo or SE it's grime on Spain.

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You do know there's more countries that speak Spanish than Spain right.

 

[Manu]

So OP, are you going to ask for a refund?

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Not worth the hassle. The game was pretty cheap anyway.

 

[TubaZef]

It used to be you had to learn Japanese to play a lot of games. That changed, but only because the market got big enough that an English release and/or translation made sense. There are a lot of languages in the world, and I understand Spanish is probably second only to English in terms of what's used in the US, but how many translations are considered "standard" before they can release a game?

Like I said before, they released this in Germany and France without German or French subtitles, and personally I think they have a big case as well, but it obviously didn't make sense to translate such a text heavy game.

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I don't think there was any game officially released outside of Japan with japanese text/audio only. No one ever needed to learn japanese to play a game released in their country. English localization was always the bare minimum.

I know there are a lot of restrictions involving money and time but if you're officially releasing a game in a country it should be possible for the people of that country to be able to play the game without having to learn a foreign language.

 

[--R]

You do know there's more countries that speak Spanish than Spain right.

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You do know that an European publisher has nothing to do with South America, right?

 

[Garrod Ran]

i love how people are claiming language entitlement for someone asking for spanish subtitles
some o' y'all acting like OP is going "oh no this game wasn't translated into my obscure dialect of Finnish what a piece of trash"

it's spanish

 

[AzVal]

Its a valid concern, OP, the ones who should be ashamed is Atlus, not those who dont know or dont want to play the game in English.
I wonder if all those dismissing it as "its in English that should be good enough" handle a second language at the level needed to fully enjoy a game like Persona.

Aunque como latino prefiero jugar mil veces en ingles que en español castellano.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Damn, this thread is American as fuck. Sorry, OP. I definitely get your frustration about no Spanish subs. It's pretty surprising to hear that a game as big as P5 doesn't have them.

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Speaking English doesn't mean you're American/North American. There are many places in the world that speak languages that will never see translation that also have English as a second language.

 

[Deleted member 10629]

Sorry for being an ignorant. Is the difference that big to the point that you don't understand anything?

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No, but some people really can't tolerate how Castillian sounds and viceversa. I remember a lot of pissed off Spanish fans when Halo 2 got a Latin American dub only

 

[mrmoose]

I don't think there was any game officially released outside of Japan with japanese text/audio only. No one ever needed to learn japanese to play a game released in their country. English localization was always the bare minimum.

I know there are a lot of restrictions involving money and time but if you're officially releasing a game in a country it should be possible for the people of that country to be able to play the game without having to learn a foreign language.

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How many languages are spoken in the US? What percentage of them need to be in the game before it can be released, even if it's not being released in any other region speaking those languages?

I'm not saying "so learn English" I'm saying it's reasonable to say that Spanish is not a hard prerequisite for releasing media in the US. Doing a translation may be worth it for increased sales, but if not, I wouldn't just assume everything has spanish subtitles. I don't even think that's standard on Blu-rays or streaming, either.

 

[Kaah]

I guess they should not release the game in Europe then? If it's for a japanese audience.
I mean, Dragon Quest XI is also a JRPG for a japanese audience but GUESS WHAT? Square Enix subbed the game in French, Spanish, German and Italian
I mean, Octopath is also a JRPG for a japanese audience and guess what? same thing
Even fucking Nier, an unknown game but Square Enix gambled and instead of releasing another game in Europe without language support, like they did with the first Nier, they added Italian, French, Spanish and German and it paid off.

You can't expect to sell a fuckton of copies in EU countries without adding language support, this is not how the market works, if Atlus can't understand this it's their fault and their loss.

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Yay comparison with Square-Enix games because of course it's so comparable.
Persona is borderline a niche RPG IP, it's not a fantasy, open-world, big action adventure RPG. It's some japanese high school drama, half boring VN with a shit ton of text to read half old school RPG. Nothing about it screams "yeah it's going to be so successful in the west". P4G was released on a platform nobody cared about, P4 was released 10 years ago on an already dead PS2, you guys realize this right ?
Now with the success of P5 they can safely make more translations to reach more markets.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

That's frankly unacceptable for a major release.

If a game is gonna release in EU and NA at minimum it should come with english, french, german, italian and spanish language options for subs.

 

[Sandfox]

Atlus is behind the times when it comes how they handle actually releasing their games.

 

[Yu Narukami]

i love how people are claiming language entitlement for someone asking for spanish subtitles
some o' y'all acting like OP is going "oh no this game wasn't translated into my obscure dialect of Finnish what a piece of trash"

it's spanish

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If Atlus pays me I'll gladly translate their game in Luxembourgish. 😂

 

[Manu]

Speaking English doesn't mean you're American/North American. There are many places in the world that speak languages that will never see translation that also have English as a second language.

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I mean it's funny you mention this because a lot of people in this thread assume I'm in Spain when I'm in Argentina.

Not even the same continent.

Every country in Latin America other than Brazil speaks Spanish. It's a popular language.

 

[Butch]

i love how people are claiming language entitlement for someone asking for spanish subtitles
some o' y'all acting like OP is going "oh no this game wasn't translated into my obscure dialect of Finnish what a piece of trash"

it's spanish

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Yup, I didn't expect these responses here tbh.

I mean it's funny you mention this because a lot of people in this thread assume I'm in Spain when I'm in Argentina.

Not even the same continent.

Every country in Latin America other than Brazil speaks Spanish. It's a popular language.

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It should definitely have Spanish. Pd: Aca otro Argentino jaja

 

[Kaah]

It's one of the biggest JRPG out there. If Tales of Hearts on the Vita could get translated (yeah, it was a shitty translation but still), Persona 5 has no excuse.

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Persona 5 became one of the biggest rpg there when it released. The IP wasn't nearly as big as some of you are pretending, it was very niche in the west.

 

[Deleted member 8196]

Yay comparison with Square-Enix games because of course it's so comparable.
Persona is borderline a niche RPG IP, it's not a fantasy, open-world, big action adventure RPG. It's some japanese high school drama, half boring VN with a shit ton of text to read half old school RPG. Nothing about it screams "yeah it's going to be so successful in the west". P4G was released on a platform nobody cared about, P4 was released 10 years ago on an already dead PS2, you guys realize this right ?
Now with the success of P5 they can safely make more translations to reach more markets.

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All that and they sold 2.7 million copies, a respectable number, higher than any Tales of game, any God Eater game, Ni No Kuni 2 and Octopath Traveler.

P.S. You can have a translation even after the game is out, you don't need to wait a decade for Persona 6 to have a FIGS translation in an Atlus game.

It's going to be laughable if SMT 6 has no FIGS support, but i guess Nintendo of Europe will take care of it.

 

[AllMight1]

i love how people are claiming language entitlement for someone asking for spanish subtitles
some o' y'all acting like OP is going "oh no this game wasn't translated into my obscure dialect of Finnish what a piece of trash"

it's spanish

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#2 most spoken language in the world after chinese mandarin, according to various sources

 

[Queen Calanthe]

Imagine believing this is not privilege.

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Italian is my mother tongue boy.

We have even more problems than you.

A simple Market research would tell you why small productions cannot always afford or even want a translation.

It's not fucking privilege, it's your entitlement.

Chinese and Indian is spoken by a billion and half people each, guess why no translation for them.

And then which Spanish? European or Generic Latin American ? both? Just because you feel like Spanish is a given?

Sure mate

It's simple logic, just because it's spoken by many people it does not mean it will sell to many people and, particularly, they do not have to do shit, you don't understand it? Don't buy it and give them a message with your wallet.

You have no rights for something you have yet not bought and if you bought in ignorance it's your fault

 

[Deleted member 8196]

Chinese and Indian is spoken by a billion and half people each, guess why no translation for them.

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Plenty of games are translated in Chinese, PLENTY of games.

https://store.steampowered.com/search/?supportedlang=schinese,tchinese

Here, take a look.

 

[Manu]

Italian is my mother tongue boy.

We have even more problems than you.

A simple Market research would tell you why small productions cannot always afford or even want a translation.

It's not fucking privilege, it's your entitlement.

Chinese and Indian is spoken by a billion and half people each, guess why no translation for them.

And then which Spanish? European or Generic Latin American ? both? Just because you feel like Spanish is a given?

Sure mate

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I'm glad you know my entire life history from this thread to ASSURE that you have more problems than I do.

And I'll take any Spanish translation. I'm not being picky.

 

[Dogui]

Atlus kind of don't give a shit to anything not Japan. If there wasn't an Atlus USA, dunno if an english version would be a thing for sure.

Unfortunately, they're as backwards as they can be, while Sega kind of don't care to shake them as well.

 

[martincrimson87]

Damm... era has such a hard on for their Japanese games they will stand out for all bullshit from the devs. Besides I know the forum has a huge Anglo bias but please don't downplay the OP. He has a legitimate concern.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

I mean it's funny you mention this because a lot of people in this thread assume I'm in Spain when I'm in Argentina.

Not even the same continent.

Every country in Latin America other than Brazil speaks Spanish. It's a popular language.

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I figured you were from Latin America actually so bonus points for me :P

My parents are from West Africa so English is a second language for them but everyone there speaks English even if it isn't a first language.

Anyway, it definitely does suck that the game has no subs given how even tiny studios can sub their games in many languages

Atlus just really doesn't give a fuck about anywhere that isn't primarily Japan.

 

[ivantod]

I mean, just a few years ago, it was anybody's guess if an Atlus game was even going to be released in Europe at all (many didn't even get a release) and even if it did get a relase over here, it was typically way later than US/JP (e.g. the first Etrian Oddysey game was only released in Europe about 1 year after US and 1.5 years after Japan).

So, progress... I guess?

 

[Rosebud]

P5 took years to be translated to english. It would never come out lol

But I'm a portuguese speaker and about 1% of JRPG's are subbed to me, so never cared

 

[Lobster Roll]

Speaking English doesn't mean you're American/North American. There are many places in the world that speak languages that will never see translation that also have English as a second language.

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It's very much an American reaction to react coldly to non-English speaking issues.