Anytime I see someone bad-mouthing a Supergiant game I know that we can never be friends.
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I'm aware there's an OT, but I ask you bear with me... I want to ensure you're aware that Hades is Exceptional and you should try it.
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Anytime I see someone bad-mouthing a Supergiant game I know that we can never be friends.
It's an amazing game. I do wish there was more variety in bosses and biomes though, but that's just a personal nitpick. Would be cool if they do more expansions to the game but I figure Supergiant will want to move onto their next project instead. I'm always down for anything they make, they haven't failed me yet.
If someone dislikes lots of dialogue, especially with voice acting, and doesn't enjoy arena combat and loot, what is there for them in Hades?
I am a big fan of Spelunky 2 and Into the Breach, but I immediately bounced off Isaac and Nuclear Throne. Combat is the least interesting part of roguelikes, and nothing about Hades has sounded appealing. It sounds excellently made for someone else.
I am a big fan of Spelunky 2 and Into the Breach, but I immediately bounced off Isaac and Nuclear Throne. Combat is the least interesting part of roguelikes, and nothing about Hades has sounded appealing. It sounds excellently made for someone else.
It quicky became one of my favorites of the year after ignoring early access, if not the runaway favorite. Agree it accomplishes everything it sets out to at a high level, every element of the design is quality. Time slips away while playing and it gets under your skin when you're not. I like everything SG has made and this is their best work, taking lessons and strengths from all their previous titles.
But also understand being skeptical in response to runaway hype, the developer's house style won't click with everyone and threads like this will attract detractors. And some just won't ever see an indie game as GOTY material compared to AAA production value. Recommended watching Jim Sterling's review for any on the fence, he sums the game up well and his enthusiasm is infectious.
But also understand being skeptical in response to runaway hype, the developer's house style won't click with everyone and threads like this will attract detractors. And some just won't ever see an indie game as GOTY material compared to AAA production value. Recommended watching Jim Sterling's review for any on the fence, he sums the game up well and his enthusiasm is infectious.
I want to try this, but I know I'll hate it lol. The music is great, and the voice actors are good, but I don't like the writing from what I've watched, and I hate roguelites with a passion.
Hades is really more of an RPG with a roguelike structure than any of those, and the structure is harmonious with the narrative they're telling. The dialogue and characterization is a draw for me but it's punchy and succinct, the game isn't precious about making sure you see it all, just that it doesn't repeat. Not really a loot game either, the diversity in build variety during each run and the strategies formed after learning what's possible and getting better is a bigger draw. Wave based action RPG combat is pretty central to the experience though, and while I think it's expertly tuned with weapons that are all viable and fun, if that doesn't click it won't be for you.
I'm in the same boat. It does some things different than the traditional formula (more pronounced story/cast with a bit more progression even in death), and there are certainly things I like a lot about it, but this is also the only SG game that I've bounced off of pretty hard all things considered. I may try and go back to it, but I don't think it does enough personally to keep you into it if you're not a fan of the genre or at the very least open to it.
I have been playing the game non stop but since I see this game praised a lot (rightfully so), I think that some of the negatives get shrugged away and aren't even mentioned most of the time, so here I come to the rescue with some negative things. Keep in mind that i love the game and have played it for 60h already.
- Kind of repetitive for a roguelike.
Every run is unique ofc but you're always gonna see the same zones in the same order with the same bosses. You also have a lof of control over your build which makes it even more repetitive if you want to.. or if you want to be efficient its gonna become repetitive because you will be going for certain builds, there isn't the same level of randomness and having to adapt like in other roguelike(lites)
- Enemy variety is equally low.
Seriously, its really low.
- It's a grind
Normally this isn't necessarily a bad thing but in Hades it's what makes me not want to play it sometimes. Progression is based on increasing the difficulty by activating some modifiers (skulls). But you can only do it one at the time, you can do more but it gives the same reward so there is no point in doing it because you'll have to do it again. And you have to do this with every weapon. And while the game was challenging at first, now I need to spend hours doing runs that present no challenge whatsoever till hopefully it becomes challenging again. And I started in hell mode which starts with 5 skulls active. With 6 weapons that would have been 35 more zero challenge runs that I would have had to do just to be in the non challenging place that I am right now. And I'm not even trying to be super efficient, I take keepsakes just to level them up, I did all the prophecies that I got so far etc.
- Placebo Rewards after a certain point
I'm talking about like bonding with gods etc which does nothing except having their portrait next to their keepsake.
- Kind of repetitive for a roguelike.
Every run is unique ofc but you're always gonna see the same zones in the same order with the same bosses. You also have a lof of control over your build which makes it even more repetitive if you want to.. or if you want to be efficient its gonna become repetitive because you will be going for certain builds, there isn't the same level of randomness and having to adapt like in other roguelike(lites)
- Enemy variety is equally low.
Seriously, its really low.
- It's a grind
Normally this isn't necessarily a bad thing but in Hades it's what makes me not want to play it sometimes. Progression is based on increasing the difficulty by activating some modifiers (skulls). But you can only do it one at the time, you can do more but it gives the same reward so there is no point in doing it because you'll have to do it again. And you have to do this with every weapon. And while the game was challenging at first, now I need to spend hours doing runs that present no challenge whatsoever till hopefully it becomes challenging again. And I started in hell mode which starts with 5 skulls active. With 6 weapons that would have been 35 more zero challenge runs that I would have had to do just to be in the non challenging place that I am right now. And I'm not even trying to be super efficient, I take keepsakes just to level them up, I did all the prophecies that I got so far etc.
- Placebo Rewards after a certain point
I'm talking about like bonding with gods etc which does nothing except having their portrait next to their keepsake.
It depends, do you dislike lots of dialogue in other media, or is it just video game dialogue? Because a lot of it is out there is just not that gripping not gonna lie. I can't say I often actually sit there engaged for every piece of voiced dialogue in a game past the 20 hour mark, with very few exceptions. Off the top of my head I can only think of precious few games like Kid Icarus, Persona 5, and now Hades.
It's carried reallyyyyy far by the voice direction alone. It's top-shelf. I can't think of a single lackluster performance. Thanatos, maybe, but even then is stolid delivery gets subverted in interesting ways at times.
There is no parry. One of the weapons is a shield, which has a (stationary, directional) block, but when you stop blocking you have to charge forward so it's kinda awkward.
But 99% of the time, your defense is the dash, which is very generous with iframes. Oh, and you can destroy most projectiles with most attacks.
Yep. It's called "God" mode. It increases your defenses by 20% when you turn it on and another 2% each time you die. There is no penalty or in-game downside for turning it on, it can be turned on/off at any time.
I went from "well it's alright I guess, still not feeling the hype"
to
"believe the hype"
Note that I'm not a roguelite/like player usually, only Spelunky ever got my stamp of approval
to
"believe the hype"
Note that I'm not a roguelite/like player usually, only Spelunky ever got my stamp of approval
There's a toggle that gives you a 2% increase to your defense every time you die and have to start over.
I ended up trying it and refunding it after asking about it in the OT
I just don't think their games are my thing
I don't like isometric and I didn't find the combat or the characters particularly exciting and I'm turned off by the speech in these games like how the character always talks to himself
I just don't think their games are my thing
I don't like isometric and I didn't find the combat or the characters particularly exciting and I'm turned off by the speech in these games like how the character always talks to himself
Yep. It's called "God" mode. It increases your defenses by 20% when you turn it on and another 2% each time you die. There is no penalty or in-game downside for turning it on, it can be turned on/off at any time.
Cool thanks guys. I dont want to sink hundred of hours in it, but this looks interesting
Just waiting for other console ports and I'll be in day one. I dont buy 3rd party games on Switch anymore and my laptop couldn't handle this.
I noticed this has an upcoming cross save update. I bought the Switch version but also want to pick up the Steam version. If I have two different save files, would they merge or something? I'm assuming I should hold off on getting the Steam version until the crossplay update comes out so I can port my Switch save over before there's conflicting save files.
And yeah, this game is REALLY fucking good.
And yeah, this game is REALLY fucking good.
How can I try it when it is not on any of the consoles I possess? Hopefully it shows up on PS and Xbox next year.
I haven't got experience with this genre, so I've been wary of downloading it. I'm really curious because of the setting and characters, and will probably end up downloading it eventually. All the hype here reminds me of the talk around Hollow Knight though, which I didn't like. Completely different game but given that Metroidvania is a genre I do like, I'm wary of "GOTG" and "flawless" hype.
90 hours into it now and it's my GoTY. So good and polished. Super Giants deserves all the praise they got.
With a certain build, yes. I got a laser beam gun that can deflect everything lol some builds are crazy.
With a certain build, yes. I got a laser beam gun that can deflect everything lol some builds are crazy.
Hades is for sure a good game but as with all rogue-lites I tend to lose interest in them around 5-10 hours. Those first hours are amazing before my enthusiasm comes crashing into a wall once I've fought the same enemies and bosses over and over and gone through the same procedurally generated areas so many times. The worst part is fighting tooth and nail against a boss and barely winning and then getting one shot by a rat in the next level because my build wasn't optimal.
The very thought of having to painstakingly grind through all of the copy pasted levels and enemies and other random bs to get back to where I was made me quit playing. I wanted to love Hades so much but unfortunately this genre is just not for me.
The very thought of having to painstakingly grind through all of the copy pasted levels and enemies and other random bs to get back to where I was made me quit playing. I wanted to love Hades so much but unfortunately this genre is just not for me.
It's great! Right next to TLOU2 for my GOTY.
I tend to like this style of game (Dead Cells was my GOTY when that came out) and this has been my favorite take on the formula so far. I'm also glad it came to Switch first; I much prefer playing games on portables.
I tend to like this style of game (Dead Cells was my GOTY when that came out) and this has been my favorite take on the formula so far. I'm also glad it came to Switch first; I much prefer playing games on portables.
Add me to the camp of people who usually hate roguelikes(/lites), but think this game is really good. There's enough permanent progress and enough new story/dialogue after every run that I don't mind dying. I'm at (over) 40 hours now, and recently saw the end credits. There's seemingly still a lot to see/unlock, but I am wondering how much longer it'll hold my interest.
Been playing it over the past few days. It's incredible. Such a brilliant concept for a roguelike.
Even if you dont care for rougelites like at ALL...its really fuckin' good. Extraordinarily polished, one of a kind combination of sound, art design, and writing for the world building, excellent addictive combat loop, frequently funny and honest to God moving as anything I played all year.
like the entire ending when you finally reach the surface to find you-know-who and the turns it takes was wonderfully written, perfectly performed, and absolutely made thematic sense with its journey of endless trials and tribulations.
like the entire ending when you finally reach the surface to find you-know-who and the turns it takes was wonderfully written, perfectly performed, and absolutely made thematic sense with its journey of endless trials and tribulations.
I've hated every single roguelike/lite I've ever played.
Until Hades.
It's damn near flawless and I'm so very glad I didn't learn from my mistakes of repeatedly purchasing critically acclaimed indies in this genre I hate oh so much. If it weren't for Animal Crossing getting the number one spot by default, Hades would easily be my GotY!
Until Hades.
It's damn near flawless and I'm so very glad I didn't learn from my mistakes of repeatedly purchasing critically acclaimed indies in this genre I hate oh so much. If it weren't for Animal Crossing getting the number one spot by default, Hades would easily be my GotY!
That would be accurate. I looooove Dead Cells and Hades is really similar in quality. No word on xbox release yet but it's really well priced on Switch
It is indeed a marvelous game. I wouldn't say flawless, but the degree of control it gives you over its "roguelikeness" makes it top tier, along with Dead Cells. Difficulty wise I'm still getting accustomed to it, and looks a bit less obscure than DC, but so far DC might be sliiightly better for me.