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[help] So this Spanish chick has been trying to "teach" me "words" for a lil while now...

Altazor

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broflap said:
This reminds me of when discussing how to pronounce beans in Spanish. I say FREE-ho-less while I know others say free-HO-less
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it's the second one, plus it's more of a "hard H" (?) sound, almost like you're going to spit but not as pronounced or over the top.

EDIT: "Frijoles" (plural) is what we call "palabra grave" in spanish - the stress falls in the second-to-last syllable. "Frijol" (singular), on the other hand, is what we call "palabra aguda" - the stress is on the last syllable.
 
broflap

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Altazor said:
it's the second one, plus it's more of a "hard H" (?) sound, almost like you're going to spit but not as pronounced or over the top.
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Yeah I wasn't sure how to write out the "Jo" part, figured "ho" was fine lol

I have to disagree since my family and has always used the first pronunciation. But it probably depends where you are from since I'm Colombian and that's how I've heard it my whole life
 
Altazor

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broflap said:
Yeah I wasn't sure how to write out the "Jo" part, figured "ho" was fine lol

I have to disagree since my family and has always used the first pronunciation. But it probably depends where you are from since I'm Colombian and that's how I've heard it my whole life
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yeah, checked that and it seems countries call the same thing with the stress on different syllables. To some it's "frí-jol", to others it's "friJOL". Fuckin 'ell.

EDIT: And we call them porotos here 🤣
 
Pau

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Reminds me of the time a non-Spanish speaking American dude tried to mansplain how I was mispronouncing the ll in Medellín... the name of my hometown.
 
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Vex

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DanteLinkX said:

Here OP. Next time you need to know how to pronounce something you can use google and you will surely get a video or something useful that you can actually hear.

Btw. This example is for "La llave" which means "the key" just dont mind the "la" and just listen to llave.
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This is precisely why I am confused... I googled multiple sources. Check this out:



She pronounces llave with a soft "b" like "ya-bveh". It sounds nothing like your video with "j"? Regardless, she starts out with the "y" sound!?!?

She even puts it in a sentence.
 
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Altazor

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Vex said:
She pronounces llave with a soft "b" like "ya-bveh". It sounds nothing like your video with "j"?

She even puts it in a sentence.
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officially, according to the RAE (which is the organization that preserves the Spanish language, so to speak), there's no difference in Spanish between "b" and "v". Same sound (unlike english).
 
broflap

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Vex said:
This is precisely why I am confused... I googled multiple sources. Check this out:



She pronounces llave with a soft "b" like "ya-bveh". It sounds nothing like your video with "j"?

She even puts it in a sentence.
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OP if you know where the Spanish lady is from, maybe that might help you learn to pronounce it how she would want you to. Or just pick which one sounds better/you feel more comfortable saying since there's no "right" pronunciation between yah and Jah or even sha
 
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Vex

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broflap said:
OP if you know where the Spanish lady is from, maybe that might help you learn to pronounce it how she would want you to. Or just pick which one sounds better/you feel more comfortable saying since there's no "right" pronunciation between yah and Jah or even sha
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Hmm well I guess you're right. I should probably ask where she is from first. Because I have no idea and I don't want to assume.
 
viciouskillersquirrel

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It's definitely a regionalism. Antonio Banderas and Salma Hayek would both pronounce it "y" while Sofia Vergara pronounces it "j".
 
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skillzilla81 said:
I had a teacher from el Salvador, and her regional dialect pronounced Ll as ja. I had a Spanish teacher from Barcelona and she pronounced it yah. But she also pronounced C as th, so its barthelona.
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That's the standard in Spain. Though even here there are regions where people would pronounce it as S like in America.
 
Grizzel Greedigut

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You're gonna be okay. When you forget the exact pronunciation to impress your new friend, use google translate. You'll look like you're trying to learn, and that you're tech savvy at the same time. After that, it's your move to see what kind of budding friendship this really is. Winky face.
 
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CielYoshi said:
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Replace verb conjugations with subjunctive mood
 

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I sometimes forget english doesnt have a "LL"
Kain said:
That's the standard in Spain. Though even here there are regions where people would pronounce it as S like in America.
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The seseo is not isolated to Central, South America, and the Caribbean, it happens within Spain too!
 
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supernormal

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Wanna get more confused? In Argentina the LL sound is "SH," so they would say "sha-veh"

Dominican here. We say "jah-veh."
 

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J vs Y depends on accent.

Also, most people don't really think about it, but our Vs are more soft winded compared to English. We don't bite into the lip for them.
 
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OP I really think this is going to depend on where this woman is from. Pronunciation can vary a lot between different countries and probably different regions too. I've definitely heard y, j, and then something kind of in between. Just pick one and go for it. You have no reason to give a fuck.
 

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Wait, I speak fluent Spanish (Cuban born in the US) and I've said "yah-veh" my whole life and I was never corrected by my parents. Have I been saying it wrong my whole life or does the pronunciation vary by region?

Edit: I guess it is a regional thing.
 
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Untzillatx

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Is she Spanish from Spain or are you incorrectly using "Spanish" to mean "Spanish-speaking"?

As far as I know Castilian Spanish does not differentiate between 'y' and 'll'.
 
Kain

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Untzillatx said:
Is she Spanish from Spain or are you incorrectly using "Spanish" to mean "Spanish-speaking"?

As far as I know Castilian Spanish does not differentiate between 'y' and 'll'.
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Technically they are pronounced differently but in practice nobody does it. Mainly because ll should be a very soft sound (think of the Catalan ll) and most Spanish people never use anything remotely comparable.
 
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Kain said:
Technically they are pronounced differently but in practice nobody does it. Mainly because ll should be a very soft sound (think of the Catalan ll) and most Spanish people never use anything remotely comparable.
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I mean, yeismo is a dialectal variation of the language, if no one does it it means it is absent in that particular variety.

It's like the distincion, we wouldn't say "Well, 's' and 'z' are pronounced differently but no one in Latin America does it", instead we recognise that the /th/ sound is absent in LatAm.

As far as I am aware, yeismo is completely absent in most monolingual regions of Spain, and the people who do it are usually bilinguals influenced by Catalan.

Yeismo however is a characteristic of many Latin American varieties, Andean Spanish comes to mind.
 
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skillzilla81 said:
Yes. It's no different than regional dialects in the US. Somebody from the south, from Boston, and from California might say the same word very different.
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A better example would be English from England, Ireland, Australia, South Africa etc. Countries I mean. Your example would be more akin to something more regional, like Spanish from let's say a city south of Mexico, one north etc.
 
Toxi

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Sha-ve for me.

It's entirely regional and any way of doing it is honestly fine as long as you're actually consistent.
 
Fevaweva

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The quotation makes around "teach" and "words" made me think this was a thread about OP fucking his Spanish teacher.
 
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