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Game of Thrones S8 |OT2| Please do not post spoilers here - assume all episodes have been leaked - spoiler tag all future episode speculation
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Yeah I loved episode 2 upon airing but now it kind of sucks because all the reunions and "final" scenes were useless since everyone lives.
It looks like he proposes marriage before the Mountain smashes his head in episode 4.
Did D&D say that episode 6 was going to be an epilogue and the action would wrap up in episode 5 or is that just some bullshit I read on Reddit?
Fully agree. Combined with the color palette issues it was just not possible to get a good sense of time or place during the battle.
Watched the episode again, and I must say I enjoyed it way more the second time, but some things still bothered me.
Things I still disliked
1. Lack of dynamic range and overall grading/lighting. Too hard to make too much of it out.
2. How shot after shot only the heroes were shown perfectly lined up, magically taking on hordes and hordes of whites, even bloody Sam lol. At least surround them with some normal soldiers to give it some realism or groundedness. Made it seen like they were the Avengers.
3. Where the the 50 white walkers shown at the end of the last episode? And did Jon think he could just shout Visceron (ice dragon) to death? Didn't expect him to just give up like that.
4. The NK was ultimately a really undercooked and vapid villain. Would have liked to get some more back story, or at least some characterisation of some sort, especially after a decade of build up.
Other than that, solid overall. Great scale, cool scenes, good sense of drama and tension (aside from the tentpole character invincibility levels), good action, some decent cinematography, and I actually quite enjoyed the surprise death of the NK, especially at the hands of Arya. It genuinely took me off guard.
Still no where near as good as Battle of the Bastards or Hardhome though.
Things I still disliked
1. Lack of dynamic range and overall grading/lighting. Too hard to make too much of it out.
2. How shot after shot only the heroes were shown perfectly lined up, magically taking on hordes and hordes of whites, even bloody Sam lol. At least surround them with some normal soldiers to give it some realism or groundedness. Made it seen like they were the Avengers.
3. Where the the 50 white walkers shown at the end of the last episode? And did Jon think he could just shout Visceron (ice dragon) to death? Didn't expect him to just give up like that.
4. The NK was ultimately a really undercooked and vapid villain. Would have liked to get some more back story, or at least some characterisation of some sort, especially after a decade of build up.
Other than that, solid overall. Great scale, cool scenes, good sense of drama and tension (aside from the tentpole character invincibility levels), good action, some decent cinematography, and I actually quite enjoyed the surprise death of the NK, especially at the hands of Arya. It genuinely took me off guard.
Still no where near as good as Battle of the Bastards or Hardhome though.
If you want to live, you must either have a name, go to the crypts, have sex with Arya, or be around that fireplace.
This. Night King was really cool to watch, meanwhile I want Cersei dead so bad lol.
Agreed, it really was. And it looked so good.
Also reminded me of that recent Project Awakening reveal.
It's not because they had dedicated an entire episode to make sure that each character had a positive moment in their life before the battle. All of that was literally for nothing because they all ended up living anyway.
Funny that you say this because RLM was making fun of Avengers: Endgame ripping off the Star Trek: Voyager finale, which was called... Endgame.
I just sighed.
Was expecting Arya to show up since the show might as well have announced it was going to happen with a megaphone (the Mel/Arya scene). Never imagined it being so easy for her and so out of the blue though, its as if they did it for a shock factor but they already ruined the shock. Sapochnik said you're supposed to forget since you're tense about all the characters almost dying, but it was all the characters almost dying but not actually being killed for no real reason that made it even more obvious Arya was about to show up and kill NK. Very underwhelming ending.
That being said, I absolutely love that it was Arya who did it, I just really feel underwhelmed by how it happened. Contrast that to season 6 finale when I was jumping up and cheering at Arya murdering Walder Frey.
I also really enjoyed the resolution to the WW's storyline.
I always thought "life is not a song" was the main thematic thrust of the series, the books as well as the TV show. It resonated because it didn't just mean that in terms of pessimism and optimism, that life wasn't a song because it didn't always have a happy ending. It meant it in the sense that everything happens for a reason, just not for a narratively satisfying reason, that huge arcs could be decided by deterministic forces that had an explanation but not a reason in the cosmic sense. Ned and Robb didn't get narratively satisfying endings that brought an end to their character arcs. They were just a little unlucky, a little unwise, and wind up getting caught in the deterministic and utilitarian logic of forces much larger than they were, even if they were great lords. They weren't very much unlike the peasants they ordered to their deaths.
And so, if they had to resolve this storyline, it needed to happen the way that it did. No grand Bran vs. NK spiritual battle, no flaming swords and prophecies, no decisive vindication for Melisandre or redemptive mortal sacrifice. The NK had to submit to the deterministic and utilitarian logic that everyone else did. He had to be a little unwise (going out in the first place), a little unlucky (Arya was herself in the right place at the right time), and a lot caught up in forces he didn't have a good way of understanding or predicting (he is undone by techniques taught in a land he's never heard of, that he has no reason to know of, coming from what feels like an entirely different genre of fantasy).
I always thought "life is not a song" was the main thematic thrust of the series, the books as well as the TV show. It resonated because it didn't just mean that in terms of pessimism and optimism, that life wasn't a song because it didn't always have a happy ending. It meant it in the sense that everything happens for a reason, just not for a narratively satisfying reason, that huge arcs could be decided by deterministic forces that had an explanation but not a reason in the cosmic sense. Ned and Robb didn't get narratively satisfying endings that brought an end to their character arcs. They were just a little unlucky, a little unwise, and wind up getting caught in the deterministic and utilitarian logic of forces much larger than they were, even if they were great lords. They weren't very much unlike the peasants they ordered to their deaths.
And so, if they had to resolve this storyline, it needed to happen the way that it did. No grand Bran vs. NK spiritual battle, no flaming swords and prophecies, no decisive vindication for Melisandre or redemptive mortal sacrifice. The NK had to submit to the deterministic and utilitarian logic that everyone else did. He had to be a little unwise (going out in the first place), a little unlucky (Arya was herself in the right place at the right time), and a lot caught up in forces he didn't have a good way of understanding or predicting (he is undone by techniques taught in a land he's never heard of, that he has no reason to know of, coming from what feels like an entirely different genre of fantasy).
There is no way that Cersei could lose militarily from now on :
Cersei has :
- the Golden company (20 000 elite troops)
- Lannister troops
- Euron's fleet
- anti-dragon ballistas
- she is defending which is easier
Jon Snow and Daenerys have :
- 2 dragons (and I don't think Rhaegar is in a good shape)
- remnants of their army = almost nothing (and they lost their entire cavalery)
Cersei has :
- the Golden company (20 000 elite troops)
- Lannister troops
- Euron's fleet
- anti-dragon ballistas
- she is defending which is easier
Jon Snow and Daenerys have :
- 2 dragons (and I don't think Rhaegar is in a good shape)
- remnants of their army = almost nothing (and they lost their entire cavalery)
I don't see why people are complaining about the NK lacking backstory. He was created by the Children of the Forest, using magic, as a desperate lack ditch effort to make a tool to take out mankind.
The tool didn't behave/work as intended, and took on its own mission to wipe out all life, including its creator. It was a biological weapon gone horribly wrong.
The tool didn't behave/work as intended, and took on its own mission to wipe out all life, including its creator. It was a biological weapon gone horribly wrong.
I'm curious how many survivors there were. My guess is that it'll be in the hundreds but a couple of houses in the north that bailed will return, and well the dragons will do their magic. Maybe gendry will create armor for them lol and they'll just wreck Cersei's army. Somehow the explosives in kings landing will be used.
Jesus christ what the fuck was that. Wouldn't put it past some posters to actually want GoT be like that.
Pretty sure Theon's sister and whatever remaining army they have will join them.
I love the defense of the Night King. "He was a boring character who never spoke. It was smart to kill him off in one battle!" They conveniently ignore that D&D invented the Night King. If they wanted a badass villain with superpowers and a personality, they could have adapted Book!Euron. But they chose to go in another direction and should be critiqued accordingly.
Darth Maul was cut in half, The Night King, or rather, the magic keeping him alive, was shattered.
"We have an Arya."
So, one thing I had originally thought would be neat is if by the end of the story the R'hllor faith became the official one.
1- Cersei blew up the great sept.
2- Melisandre and the Dragons "saved" the north: people witnessed it and Dany could end up as queen.
No idea how it would play out from here on with no preacher going around, but there's room for people to start praying to R'hllor in the next ep. If R'hllor isn't a thing in the next ep then that bit is over with.
1- Cersei blew up the great sept.
2- Melisandre and the Dragons "saved" the north: people witnessed it and Dany could end up as queen.
No idea how it would play out from here on with no preacher going around, but there's room for people to start praying to R'hllor in the next ep. If R'hllor isn't a thing in the next ep then that bit is over with.
The worst thing about Arya killing the Night King isn't necessarily that she does it, but that it's done in this fashion at all.
The last time the Night King and the WW invaded Westeros it took the entirety of Westeros banding together and a couple of legendary, magically enhanced heroes to be able to defeat him, but only temporarily. In the mean time multiple prophecies were created surrounding their return, a huge magic wall was created to keep them the fuck out and an entire religion was founded around fighting the Long Night.
Now he comes back with an even bigger army than before to an even more fractured Westeros than before and... he and all his forces are permanently killed when he falls for an obvious trap and some human with half a year training to become a ninja super assassin kills him with a single stab to the stomach.
Man, if only those First Men and Children of the Forest had a ninja super assassin, they wouldn't have needed all those armies and those legendary heroes.
The last time the Night King and the WW invaded Westeros it took the entirety of Westeros banding together and a couple of legendary, magically enhanced heroes to be able to defeat him, but only temporarily. In the mean time multiple prophecies were created surrounding their return, a huge magic wall was created to keep them the fuck out and an entire religion was founded around fighting the Long Night.
Now he comes back with an even bigger army than before to an even more fractured Westeros than before and... he and all his forces are permanently killed when he falls for an obvious trap and some human with half a year training to become a ninja super assassin kills him with a single stab to the stomach.
Man, if only those First Men and Children of the Forest had a ninja super assassin, they wouldn't have needed all those armies and those legendary heroes.
wut? the parts of the thread i read in response to it, people were complaining. admittedly i do not read the entire threads they move way too fast for that shit.
Bron shot Drogon out of the sky in season 7 and he was fine the very next episode, so I wouldn't expect Rhaegal's injuries to be a factor next week either.
They didn't know she was gonna kill him until 3 years ago
and building up Jon and Dany meant shit lol
Watching the episode it's hard to believe that it's a single episode of a TV show and not a movie! The way the whole episode was shot, from the colours to the chaos and claustrophobia was incredible. Really enjoyed it!
Although since we're all having our nitpicks of the plot for this episode, the one thing I found strange is that you saw Ghost lined up ready for battle, and then just never seen a single shot of him in battle again. Seems a missed opportunity.
I quite often find reading online that subtlety in movies/tv shows is something quite hard to pull off because, well to be blunt, a lot of the audience are too stupid or lack the attention span to notice it.
Although since we're all having our nitpicks of the plot for this episode, the one thing I found strange is that you saw Ghost lined up ready for battle, and then just never seen a single shot of him in battle again. Seems a missed opportunity.
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