I'm pretty sure he still would have preferred his son, daughter and wife still be alive and well, but who knows what his cold mind thinks.
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Former VP Joe Biden announces 2020 presidential bid
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I'm pretty sure he still would have preferred his son, daughter and wife still be alive and well, but who knows what his cold mind thinks.
"Remember that time when we were all very scared about terrorism and ready to launch ourselves into costly, pointless, deadly forever wars while the opposition party was in the position I'm running for?
That's the sort of vibe I'm trying to bring back to the office of the presidency."
I am reading much "nope" though. It is important that you have someone you can vote for with a good feeling. We heard the same with Hillary. That everyone would vote for her in the end. But I think that there are many Sanders voters that didn't vote or didn't vote for Hillary.
Every vote counts.
Yeah he would give Trump a very hard time in the debates. Much harder then Biden.
But I fear his chance was last time.
Or we could choose someone that doesn't have all the baggage listed.
We have general creepyness, the anti bussing stuff, the devastating wars in the Middle East and the legislation around that time (patriot act), and helping republicans.....
Ugh. I'm usually against Democrats attacking other Democrats, and I get angry when Obama is attacked by the Bernie wing of the party for not being perfect, but I actually hope every single Democrat or at least the far left, really goes against Biden hard.
He's just too old and comes with too much baggage, and I hate his bullshit unity shtick.
If he does keep his place in first and comes out on top, i hope I'm proven wrong, but i find him to be the weakest candidate. He's Hillary without the support from women and black women, and Bernie without the enthusiasm from the young or progressive.
Blagh.
He's just too old and comes with too much baggage, and I hate his bullshit unity shtick.
If he does keep his place in first and comes out on top, i hope I'm proven wrong, but i find him to be the weakest candidate. He's Hillary without the support from women and black women, and Bernie without the enthusiasm from the young or progressive.
Blagh.
From the data that we have, almost as high a percentage Obama '08 primary voters ended up booking for McCain/Palin in the '08 general as Sanders voters who went for Trump. (9% vs 12%)
Twice as many Hillary voters in '08 went for McCain/Palin over Obama. You're right that every vote counts, but the fear about Democrats abandoning the nominee, and losing the election as a result, are unfounded, imo
"remember when the reichstag went down? remember how united we were?"
I don't care who you choose. But it has to be someone that people can vote for with a good feeling. And I mean not just a limited number.
I don't think that the Democrats have a candidate that can do that. The closest is Sanders I think and then Pete (because little is known about him, but he has something).
No kidding. If the Dems chose a dog to represent, vote for the dog.
That's pretty much my stance right now. If Diamond Joe is a lesser shithead than Trump and has the better chance at winning, so be it. My only issue is his age. Dude should probably get one of the young folks like Beto or Kamala for the VP ticket.
End of February is Iowa, the first one.
But really, the primary season begins in June at the first debate as far as I'm concerned.
I'm not voting for Biden in the primaries I already know this. I think he can beat Trump though if he does win.
Yawn. You going to actually address any criticisms or just act all holier than thou? I'm so fuckin' tired of this shit already: using the threat of four more years of Trump to try and shutdown any criticism of any Democratic candidate.
And if that's not your point, that you're not trying to shutdown any criticism, then again, are you going to address any of the critiques people have towards Biden? Or are you just here to complain about people doing so?
Like, seriously, do you get what the point of a primary even is? Of course it's going to be contentious. Of course emotions are going to run high at some points, because ultimately all anyone wants is precisely what you're talking about here, for the best candidate to be selected, but they're naturally going to disagree about who that person is, and thus the primary. But nonetheless, whoever wins, we'll all get behind that candidate. Just like say Bernie fans may not have been happy with Clinton winning the primary in 2016, but the vast, vast majority of them sure as fuck voted for her all the same.
This isn't people tearing each other apart. This ain't anyone doin' Trump's work for him. This is just a primary, bein' a primary.
God, this is just already the most insufferable part of this primary: not the fans of any particular candidate or another, not disingenuous arguments, or any of that, but just the non-stop use of Trump to try and shutdown the criticism of any Democratic candidate, regardless of who they are or which one we're talking about, because apparently the very concept of a primary and criticism and all that is bad because Trump exists and so all that is just inherently dooming the party, because Trump exists, so apparently we just need to coronate someone right from the beginning or something?
Bleh. Of all things, these posts are already the most tiring thing of this primary and it's exhausting knowing that if anything they're just getting started and as the primary really starts to heat up it'll probably only get worse...
And to be clear, I know posts such as you're own are well-intentioned! Don't get me wrong, I completely get that, and do respect that much. I do completely get that the whole reason you're saying this is precisely because Trump is so terrible and you get that and you realize how terrible it would be to remain President, and I do get and respect all of that, and I don't mean to imply otherwise and I do sincerely apologize if I come off that way.
But the point being, that's just how primaries are regardless, and no, it's not doing Trump's work for him, and whoever wins will be fine as whoever that person is, we will all get behind them. So regardless of how good your intentions are, it nonetheless just comes off as really condescending and patronizing to use the specter of Trump to try and shutdown all criticism and stuff, when that's all just part of the process and comes from the same place that you are here: wanting to make sure the best candidate does indeed get selected to beat Trump.
That's precisely why tensions rise so high in the first place. Because whatever candidate we personally support, we do have that goal in common and precisely because of that, whoever does win the primary, I have confidence that the vast majority of people will nonetheless get behind them whether that person was their first choice or more near the bottom.
So please, that being the case, I do nonetheless understand your concerns, but can you please chill and leave this "making it so easy for Trump stuff" in the garbage bin it belongs since we all do indeed understand how much a threat Trump is and when the time comes nonetheless will get behind whoever wins, regardless of any personal misgivings toward said candidate, as no duh that's the obvious and right thing to do and I think we all get that here and so despite your very likely good intentions, there's really no need to shame people with stuff like this and it just makes tensions higher for no reason as if we're on different teams and don't get this when that couldn't be anything further from the actual case? Thanks
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Christ what? Until he does something that is super inappropriate, I'll reserve judgement. Put your hands on someone isn't always and should be a death sentence and be labeled a creep.
I mean Jesus Christ. The man as far as we know has not broken any laws or committed any indecent act.
Sick of all the attack's on all these Democrats when any one of them is leagues better than keeping Trump in office. Stop with the bullshit.
I do care who is chosen. I don't see how yet ANOTHER corporate dem will make any difference from 2016.
Dems need to go the populist rout imo.
I guess we can never criticize anyone ever again out of fear that Trump will win. We should just start pushing moderate Republicans at this point if we really want to play it safe.
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No one's saying it's a death sentence. It's definitely super creepy though and I feel like you either haven't seen the videos or you're being willfully obtuse.
Yeah, you are right. You always have to go from your own strength and I agree with that.
You don't have to vote out of fear you have to vote with your heart and mind. Not because of Trump or any other reason.
And yes my wording was a little off.
I have followed the previous primary, and that was the first one I followed as closely.
Maybe I am underestimating how ugly such primaries are. But I hear little about policy and very much attacking about identity. Maybe that's the name of the game in the USA.
If that is the case then I will concede and say I saw it wrong. I would have hoped that it would be more about policy and less about identity. It seems like everyone has the same program (maybe Biden is an outlier in that, but I doubt it)and that we are just seeing which one has the best identity.
But again I agree that you don't have to vote against Trump, you have to vote FOR someone.
if you support this in the primary don't come yelling at young people or minorities or people of color or progressives if trump gets another 4, blame yourself for supporting this in the primary
But where lies the belief of the populi ? Because Trump is a populist. The closest to a populist is Sanders I think.
Sometimes it depends on if someone is registered for a different party and it's a closed primary. Or the primary for one party was basically decided. Last primary in Virginia, Trump was the only one left for the Republican and Hillary was pretty much guaranteed the nomination. Those voters may have been more likely to change once the general election happened since primary votes barely mattered.
September 2018:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...ll-2020-christine-blasey-ford-brett-kavanaugh
The day he announces his candidacy:
The dude's not even slick lol
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...ll-2020-christine-blasey-ford-brett-kavanaugh
The day he announces his candidacy:
The dude's not even slick lol
and note that he says he regrets what Hill "endured," not what he personally did in 1991
speaking of which:
Probably not my choice in the primaries, but if he wins those, I will happily vote for him in November 2020. Despite a lot of the negative reception you see around here, his problems really won't mean much to the much more moderate majority at the national level. And frankly, his chances on the national stage are likely better than a super progressive/socialist candidate.
And frankly, his biggest problems (the "gaffes") won't really mean shit when the guy across from you is Donald Trump, who has a track level on a whole different level. In a way its the perfect storm for Biden to finally win (if he ever will), since this election definitely would not be a "who is more PC" contest.
And frankly, his biggest problems (the "gaffes") won't really mean shit when the guy across from you is Donald Trump, who has a track level on a whole different level. In a way its the perfect storm for Biden to finally win (if he ever will), since this election definitely would not be a "who is more PC" contest.
This has got to hang on him and make him fall.
The women's march took strength once again because a sexual assaulter became President, there's no way that a group who opposes that would support this.
ah yes, Joe "I'm not sorry for anything that I have ever done" Biden
he's gonna bring us back to the good ol' days
loads of older dem women would support biden
this is like saying "how can christians support donald trump?"
I want every Biden defender to see this
ITS BEEN THREE DECADES AND ALL MRS. HILL GOT WAS AN EMPTY APOLOGY
How the FUCK do you defend this man
It's amazing to see the gaffe machine running at peak efficiency right out of the gate.
Biden's either going to win the Dem nomination or drop out and retire from public life within three months
Edit: just remembered he had to push his announcement back a day because it fell on the same day as the She the People forum lmao
Biden's either going to win the Dem nomination or drop out and retire from public life within three months
Edit: just remembered he had to push his announcement back a day because it fell on the same day as the She the People forum lmao
While Biden may be polling ahead of the other candidates, I'm worried that if he gets the nomination, there will be a lot of "holding my nose" Democratic voters. The enthusiasm of liberal voters will fall off, which I think is part of what contributed towards Hillary's defeat in 2016. The difference being that HRC was a much more competent candidate, and would have probably enacted more liberal policies than Biden. Biden, of course, would be better than having Trump in office, but I'm fearful that he won't enact the policies needed to move the country in a more progressive direction. Also he's a creep.
Very curious to see if Obama openly declares his support for him. He's probably better off saving his endorsement for the final nominee.
Personally, I'm still undecided in who I support out of the candidates so far - but Biden's not up there.
Very curious to see if Obama openly declares his support for him. He's probably better off saving his endorsement for the final nominee.
Personally, I'm still undecided in who I support out of the candidates so far - but Biden's not up there.
That's just wretched.
And so is this.
If Biden is going to be our nominee then we truly are fucked.
Jesus christ. Not even trying to hide this shit. He's making it physically hard to vote for him rather than stay home and let Trump run away with a victory caused by apathetic Progressives and that's a pretty crazy accomplishment all things considered.
It's like, we may as well vote for Howard Schultz.
The democrats need a Jeb! Someone that can get 3 delegates and lose to the populist by 1722 delegates.
Please clap.
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Those are absolutely things that should have happened - but even if they did, I'm not convinced they would have sunk Thomas. I again point to some parallels with the Kavanaugh hearings, where, for example, we can again wonder what would have happened if Ramirez were allowed to testify.
Looks like he tried. It was not enough for Anita to accept, and I respect that.
The problem is that I'm not convinced there is a better candidate when it comes to implementing policy. The progressive movement, as currently presented, is stalled. Even Nancy Pelosi effectively wrote off the movement with her "five people" remark a few weeks back, and I'd argue some or most of those "five people" are why the Democrats control the House right now. And yet, can anyone here name one significant piece of policy that AOC has co-sponsored or supported that is currently the law of the land right now?
That's the problem. I admit I'm working under the assumption Democrats are not going to have control of both houses of Congress once 2020 is through, barring some spectacular hiccup from Trump, the bar for which seems to keep rising every day. And even if that occurs, I would not put it past McConnell to pull a fast one and find a way to Senate rules and debate to screw up procedure for what are currently simple majority votes if the GOP loses control of the Senate. Not to mention members within the Democratic party aren't (yet) on board with some of the policies being proposed by more progressive candidates.
That means a Democrat, if one wins, is going to have to reach across the aisle somewhat in order for any of their or the party's policies to have a chance. I'm not going to tell you I like it, but that's usually how it works. Biden has done that and is willing to do that. I'm not yet convinced anyone else running is. You can have Sanders or Warren in the executive branch, but I'm not sure either of them have 60 or even 50 votes in the next Senate makeup to do what they're pushing for. And TBH, I think Beto, Pete, and Kamala would capitulate on something--God knows what--and disappoint a lot of you.
Biden is not a perfect or even excellent candidate. I believe he is the candidate most likely to get meaningful policy enacted, including from the progressive side. Experience matters to me.
I'm guessing this will wither down to Biden vs. Bernie, and that may be the worst possible outcome for Democrats in 2020, because it will feel like Hillary all over again. The difference is that the Republican machine has spent the better part of 25 years successfully making Hillary and the Clintons toxic personalities--something I see them starting to do now with AOC. With Biden, it will be more about his professional and personal record--and that's a good thing.
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