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This "social experiment" was a terrible idea, just proves the trolls right and adds to the toxic environment. I dont know what the endgame was here
 

Cess007

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So basically a player gets called out for being sexist and apologises. A day later a high rank female OW player appears and ends up joining the sexist players team.

Except the account's fake, and was created just to make them look non-sexist by having a woman on their team? I can't wait to see what Blizzard does.

Basically the captain of Second Wind that said that a female player should not be in his 4500+, day later ellie appears online as a rank 4 dps player and few days later joins Second Wind.

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That was not a good idea. At all.
 

Deleted member 36578

Dec 21, 2017
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What!?!??! Oh my goodness what a freaking mess.
 

i-hate-u

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There is no way Second Wind isn't in on it because there is no way an org can pick up a player with little to no info on their gameplay who didn't even scrim with the team.
 

Jimnymebob

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An absolutely bizarre situation, which again furthers the need for people to stop instantly playing the blame game the second news like this breaks, and to wait for clarification first.
So at best it's incompetence, and at worst it's basically a set up to cover themselves.
 

ElBoxy

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Oct 25, 2017
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This just made being a female OW pro player more difficult than before. Congratulation on the "social experiment".
 

Parenegade

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really hope places like Kotaku print a major retraction about all this. This shit is going to cause so much damage this Punisher guy needs the book thrown at him imo. And Second Wind too if they were involved.
 

antitrop

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Oct 25, 2017
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When people appear out of nowhere on the highest ranks of the ladder like that, something is usually up. I'm reminded of a similar situation in StarCraft 2 where the YouTuber AtheneWins hit rank 1 with like 50 games played and an undefeated record, turns out it was the best Protoss player in North America at the time playing on the account.
 
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LOL, man that would certainly explain why SW didn't try to protect "ellie" from harrassment. They were in on it the whole time.

I'm glad people got to the bottom of this shit, a shame that harrassment came along with the investigation.
 

Riley

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Oct 25, 2017
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Anyone with a brain knows girls/women get shit for playing, so why even play at this social experiment bullshit. The conclusion is always the same.

It's either a dumbass prank or PR stunt.
 

Solaris

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nice. Now toxic cunts are going to use this as an example when other women want to become OW pros.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Oct 25, 2017
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What were they hoping to achieve? It couldn't have been with good intent going by those quotes from the captain.
 

Solidsnakejej

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There is no way Second Wind isn't in on it because there is no way an org can pick up a player with little to no info on their gameplay who didn't even scrim with the team.

Management could be clear if the case was Haku recommended them to the org.

This is what the owner said on reddit when ellie was originally announced.
She can actually flex to quite a few heros. Due to us having to release Coluge recently, we needed someone to fill the hole of having a very flexible hero pool for our sub slot. We checked out ladder, and she fit the bill being rank 4 on ladder, not on a team, flexible, and had played with some players on our team prior giving us some innate synergy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/a8gk5x/second_wind_announces_ellie/ecbq4r3/
 

Cess007

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Worse of all, is that any women that wants to join a team in the future will be hyper-scrutinized.... thanks to the social experiment of some male players. Great fucking job.
 

rulerk1

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Nov 14, 2017
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When people appear out of nowhere on the highest ranks of the ladder like that, something is usually up. I'm reminded of a similar situation in StarCraft 2 where the YouTuber AtheneWins hit rank 1 with like 50 games played and an undefeated record, turns out it was the best Protoss player in North America at the time playing on the account.


yeah i definitely thought something was up after the Twitch stream thing but was always reminded of this and the Heartstone thing

shame about this whole thing tho
 

DSP

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Oct 25, 2017
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they are gonna get fined or maybe Dqd which would be tragic because SW is on fire this season. they might win it all.

actually I dont think they can even afford any major fine, non academy teams have no money.
 

DigitalOp

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Nov 16, 2017
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It's always annoying to see cases like this where someone people do something that can affect others.

But any lame that tries to use this incident as a reason for why gaming shouldnt be diverse was already a shitbag from birth
 

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Anyone with a brain knows girls/women get shit for playing, so why even play at this social experiment bullshit. The conclusion is always the same.

It's either a dumbass prank or PR stunt.
Not only this but it also adds fuel to the fire in a community already stained to the bone by sexism.

Nobody wins anything, it just does further damage to women. I hope there will be repercussions for this.
 

Suzushiiro

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Oct 27, 2017
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Did the fuckers who were in on this not realize that there's a very real possibility that Blizzard will permanantly ban them from competitive play in any Blizzard esport (hell, probably casually too) for this?
 

Avitus

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Oct 25, 2017
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What were they hoping to achieve? It couldn't have been with good intent going by those quotes from the captain.

I am amazed any of them thought it would work, or would accomplish anything. A pro player with questionable provenance is going to be scrutinized.

Way to make the road even harder for others. I hope some solid punishment is handed out for this.
 

Bigg

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Oct 25, 2017
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This just seems like a gigantic fucking mess and literally no good can come from this.

I don't see how Second Wind survives this. What the fuck were they thinking?
 

ZeoVGM

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, this became insane.

Though it obviously doesn't change a large amount of the initial reaction, which was in fact sexist. There were many trolls on Twitter and Reddit claiming the player was fake simply based on the fact that the player claimed to be a woman. And as it looks to have been a terrible reaction to a sexist on Second Wind, the whole thing is just a mess.

People obviously need to be punished for this.
 

weekev

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Oct 25, 2017
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What an absolute shit show. Way to make it harder (If that is even possible) for a woman to make it as an OW pro. Fuck sake.
 

ChippyTurtle

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Oct 13, 2018
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One aspect of esports that is growing is the turning of esports players into something akin to celebrities. This also applies to streamers. And a lot of what celebrities is the prying and harassing eye of the public. Sorta feel like that aspect is starting to appear in esports and so these situations are gonna occur more and more simply out of curiosity.
 

Nanashrew

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Oct 25, 2017
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This "social experiment" just doomed all women in esports. Good going guys. The sexists and misogynists will now feel legitimized and use this moment forever to question if a woman is actually skilled enough to play with men.
 

BigJeffery

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Oct 30, 2017
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Maybe I'm making stuff up, but didn't something similar happen like a decade ago with a CS:S team creating a fake CAL-I team where they all pretended to be inner-city African Americans or something?
 

HeavenlyE

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Oct 27, 2017
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Next we're going to find out none of the Second Wind players are real they're just bots set on hard difficulty
 

ShinobiBk

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There was a lot of nasty shit said and done, but you can't attribute that to everyone who was suspicious about this. It was obvious something was fishy from the very start, top players don't appear out of thin air
 

1000% H

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Oct 25, 2017
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This "social experiment" just sounds like they decided to pick up a box of misogynists and shake it as hard as they could.
 

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This "social experiment" just doomed all women in esports. Good going guys. The sexists and misogynists will now feel legitimized and use this moment forever to question if a woman is actually skilled enough to play with men.
He never wanted to have women play "his game" anyways, so he just got what he wanted.
I hope Blizzard band his ass for eternity
 

ChippyTurtle

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This "social experiment" just doomed all women in esports. Good going guys. The sexists and misogynists will now feel legitimized and use this moment forever to question if a woman is actually skilled enough to play with men.

I don't think so tbh. For one, Ellie appeared out of nowhere, and people couldn't conclusively connect her real identity to her gameplay record (i.e no lan gameplay, no videos, etc)

If Ellie was well known, a active streamer, yes there who be harassment but not like this situation where basically unknown shows up to join a top tier T2 team.
In Siege no one aside from trolls questions how the sole woman pro player performs cause, one we have trusted verifications from her teammates, and two we have online and lan footage of her performing.
 

MegaXZero

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This is just the worst. Instead of being the usual horrible toxicity against women in gaming, it's that and the assholes now feel justified in what they did. This team needs to be punished for this.
 
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