The whole process has been abnormal with irregularities abound way before. Again, why now? The timing is atrocious.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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The whole process has been abnormal with irregularities abound way before. Again, why now? The timing is atrocious.
And when during the count they see many inconsistencies from precincts? Nobody has ever started calling for recounts when reporting is well into the 90% reporting range, inconsistencies are seen, and it's a close race? That's never been a thing?
All I'm asking is for literally anyone involved with these results to have some sense of optics here?
Calling for a recount now when two candidates are in a tie after one of those candidates was already allowed to declare himself a victor is just going to further enrage people upset at the system. We have waited long enough for the full results for all this fuckery.
Give us the remaining 3% and then do a recount so at least we have something to go off of, rather than Pete claiming victory with 0% of the official results in and the media allowing him to get away with it.
The DNC should have stepped in for a recount 24hr+ ago if anything. Statistical errors have been reported since the very start, this isn't some new thing that Tom Perez just found out.
please stop talking, this is literally a headline from slate
Sure. If the rod wins legitimately, then the rod gets the vote. If we show up to the convention and someone (I am talking about Bernie, but it could be anyone) has a large lead but not enough to get the nomination so we go to a brokered convention and some shady shit happens - and then all of the sudden the rod comes out of nowhere to get the nom? Then no, fuck the rod. I'll vote for everything else down-ballot. But fuck the rod.
damn. I guess Sanders lost 95% of the coin flips. Tough luck....Don't take that old man with you to Vegas!
you'll become much more familiar with the term as you stay engaged with the political process, it's been around for a while
I don't know what you're saying here. I'm answering why it's helpful to finish the first count before doing a recount rather than just stopping at 97%.
Glad to see so many people reading the same literature in such a short timespan
And most of the coverage has been that's it's a close race and while Pete is in the delegate lead, Bernie is essentially tied. Especially when you're talking about a caucus that will account for all of 1% of the total delegate count in the end. And further, Pete has not benefited and Bernie is still getting a bit of a bump after this in polling.
please stop talking, this is literally a headline from slate
please stop talking, this is literally a headline from slate
I don't read Slate lol
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Just to clarify, this didn't just happen to Bernie. In fact, the coin flip "rigging" video that has been going around lost Amy delegates.
Just to clarify, this didn't just happen to Bernie. In fact, the coin flip "rigging" video that has been going around lost Amy delegates.
Whatever your leanings you have to admit big Dems like Perez are just absolutely god awful at managing optics and perception. And its a kind of problem that entire wing of the party suffers from terminally.
Like, shit when I went to bed last night I had already written off Iowa mentally and now this clownshow. If Perez was working in the media this would be a perfectly sensible move to boost cable ratings because Americans love political theatre and its the only non-sports TV they watch now but he doesn't. He's just some party bigwig.
Like, shit when I went to bed last night I had already written off Iowa mentally and now this clownshow. If Perez was working in the media this would be a perfectly sensible move to boost cable ratings because Americans love political theatre and its the only non-sports TV they watch now but he doesn't. He's just some party bigwig.
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lol
Ever wondered why "-gate" is always appended to the end of a word related to a scandal? It's fine to be ignorant, but to be ignorant and condescending is unacceptable, I'm afraid.
I'm guessing the decision was made when it become clear the outcome would be tainted from the errors and not just part of a MoE where the official outcome wouldn't change. It explains why the decision is so late into the tally.
I'm saying that this has not been the first time where people have started calling for recounts when the reporting is close but not done. Especially is glaring issues have been discovered during the initial count. In those type of situations, recounts have openly been called for or suggested prior to 100% reporting.
It's a fucking ancient term. I've been using it for longer than the Chapos have been a thing I assure you. It's just so rare you see a level of incompetence with this many eyes on the result, and there's no better word for it than that. Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
Hell, I don't think the IDP or DNC are out there strategizing "let's get really stupid so people don't think Sanders can win". I just think they've spent so long listening to the kickback class that they don't actually care much about what the people want (i.e., not being mired in poverty). If you're not listening to the people in a Democracy why should anyone give you benefit of the doubt?
It's one poll that shows Bernie leading and up 6 percent since the last one which had him in 3rd. I'm not sure how this isn't good news for Bernie.
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It's cool to be cute with little snipes, but being a condescending shit stain also isn't acceptable. So how about you cut the shit?
Jeezus just clown shoes everywhere.
The incompetence alone should be enough for removal. No conspiracy required.
They make too much $ being the first
they'll never cancel it
Yep, calling for it now is just dumb esepcally if he tried to get it privately going:
Again I can't imagine how angry and tired the ID are.
I don't expect everyone here to support the same candidate but didn't expect DNC stans in ERA. But then again people here praise Pelosi for ripping up a paper.
Iowa is a caucus. That's what allows it to go before New Hampshire since NH is a primary.
Boy have we gotten rowdy and petty.
Folks! Solidarity! We musn't take our anger out on each other!
Folks! Solidarity! We musn't take our anger out on each other!
this makes no sense, if it's not first, shouldn't it be a secondary
Lol.
But, if serious, a caucus is a different way of voting. Basically people go to a gym, stand in corners for their guy. If below 15%, their guy loses and they get to pick another guy. It's so dumb. Not just voting.
like i'm just saying "everyone in iowa is so deranged in their hatred of bernie that they're setting themselves on fire in a very public way to stop him in a way that doesn't actually stop him" is pretty dumb if you think about it for more than a minute, but "tom perez throws everyone in iowa under the bus and demands a recount as soon as it looks like bernie's winning" is something that can be viewed as a concrete step to actually harm his campaign*
*unless we live in the comedy timeline where perez follows it up with "biden and buttigieg are getting too many delegates", which would be incredibly unlikely but you never know in this bitch of a timeline
*unless we live in the comedy timeline where perez follows it up with "biden and buttigieg are getting too many delegates", which would be incredibly unlikely but you never know in this bitch of a timeline
I doubt anyone thinks the DNC hasn't looked unbelievably incompetent its more a fear of anyone using this to cry rigged and staying home in November
She could have done more had people put their energy to voting over the years versus hand-wringing over 1% of delegates in a close caucus that was marred by state level incompetence where clear inconsistencies were found among at least 100 precincts that would have always necessitated a recount.
That doesn't say anyone declared a victor, it says they focused on SDE's which yea they did because SDE's determine national delegate count. I'm not seeing any of those sites—even now—declaring either candidate a winner in IA.
Sounds like the IDP will continue to report results even if there's a recanvass
So doesn't sound like this would invalidate the previous count. It's just to ensure accuracy. However it's still really bad optics.
So doesn't sound like this would invalidate the previous count. It's just to ensure accuracy. However it's still really bad optics.
Why didn't the DNC step in and fix the problem with additional resources and manpower on THE FIRST DAY? The pooch has already been screwed.
I appreciate the sincere responses, sorry it was a joke about the incredulity at the use of the word "ratfuck"
wasn't Bernie supposed to be livestreaming at 1?
Also an important detail which Tom should have pointed out instead of tweeting out his proclamation lol
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