There is super duper no fucking way anything even vaguely like this was said by Bernie. I'd sooner believe some 2-bit surrogate and future tv pundit would have said this before I'd believe Bernie or a prominent staffer said it. Fuck out of here.
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CNN: Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win, Bernie denies(Update: NYT & Buzzfeed Confirming)
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I hope this person believes every single thing that CNN reports because if not, they're just like a Trump supporter
Thats only if you dont take CNN with suspicion already and only do so when its something you dont like. Corporate media deserves suspicion in all cases. Cause despite having plenty of good journos out there there, for every one there are two or 3 hacks trying to push a narrative of the elite.
Pretty much.
Criticizing hollow identity politics is right in line with intersectionalism because its essentially criticizing identity conservatism. If your on the side that destroys minorities like black and female republicans just as two examples, it doesnt matter if your a minority and so your not going to get points for that. Even though inclusion for progressive values is always good.
CNN, and the other 24 hour corporate news networks, throughout these last few years of madness has consistently run with stories with poor sources they had no business going with because they wanted to sell a story more than they wanted to actually get verified facts straight
how many times has this happened. How many self owns have these fucks inflected on themselves and given Ws for team Trump and his fake news rhetoric because yeah sometimes they really don't care
I'm still waiting to see those Russian oligarch co-sponsors on Trumps German bank loans
This is manufactured bullshit.
- Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by millions and lost the presidency by a few hundred thousand votes.
- Bernie wanted Warren to run in 2016.
- They've been friends for decades.
I'mma go with the odds that a 78(77?) year old man is probably at least a little sexist. Its near impossible not to internalize some of the implicit/explicit sexism you see everyday just growing up in this country.
If Bernie talks in private like he does in public he probably cited one of the keys reasons Hillary lost was because the people suffering from economic anxiety also weren't ready for a female president so not to scare them in 2020. Trump has pushed the discourse well beyond any kind of standards so I doubt this will sink Bernie if true.
If Bernie talks in private like he does in public he probably cited one of the keys reasons Hillary lost was because the people suffering from economic anxiety also weren't ready for a female president so not to scare them in 2020. Trump has pushed the discourse well beyond any kind of standards so I doubt this will sink Bernie if true.
C'mon, I see how all you politically-obsessed posters talk about this stuff normally. Everything's 12D chess games, then you play dumb on topics like this.
CNN doesn't have to make anything up, their role is in elevating sources who have something to gain (DNC, Warren campaign, random campaign staffers, whatever) for certain stories. They aren't sitting there cooking up the story from nothing, they're just letting ratfuckers in the door.
I'm not a huge Bernie fan, but it's very possible Bernie talking about the unfortunate inherent uphill fight a woman faces in the election vs. a man has been warped via a game of telephone into this.
You don't even have to believe anyone is lying to believe this story is bunk. It's anonymous second-hand attribution. There's plenty of space for motivated reasoning leading to misunderstanding intent. There's plenty of space for Sanders saying something like "Trump will try to use your gender against you" to transmute into "A woman can't be President" when the information is being passed by a game of Telephone in a politically charged environment.
There's nothing else to say. The fact that one campaign denies something and the other won't officially comment isn't a reason to not run a story if you trust your sources.
CNN isn't "fake news" but they are certainly irresponsible at times. Sensationalism sells and gets more eyeballs on their network which advertisers pay more for
if you can point to anyone calling CNN "fake news" I'd be glad to hear it?
The smart political play by Warren is to let this fester awhile before responding.
Warren is smart.
As to whether he said it or not.....that's a tough one. If he did say it, I doubt it was in a, "woman are bad!" sort of way and more of a, "the US is sexist" sort of way. Plenty of black people didn't believe Obama could win until he did.
Warren is smart.
As to whether he said it or not.....that's a tough one. If he did say it, I doubt it was in a, "woman are bad!" sort of way and more of a, "the US is sexist" sort of way. Plenty of black people didn't believe Obama could win until he did.
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Right, which is a significant problem for every candidate, including Bernie, but not the one being bandied around in the thread.
He said it isn't true. So he's lying? Sounds like you're driving the conspiracy here
CNN are really shook by Bernie surging in Iowa polls.
(you guys know me, I'm a Hillary-stan and even I see CNN railing against him for months)
(you guys know me, I'm a Hillary-stan and even I see CNN railing against him for months)
I don't like Bernie but he's right, 2016 elections revealed that white women don't want to see a women president.
This is pretty convenient timing and is obvious that now that Bernie is in a good position so close to the primaries beginning, institutional forces will do absolutely anything they can to stop him from winning. Tons of anti-Bernie dems in high-up places know that if he wins Iowa, NH, and NV in a row, it's fucking done for them and this is where things are going to get outrageously nasty. They will do anything they can to stop it. A few hearsay pieces like this are beyond easy to leak to the media, they'll eat that shit up.
It all depends on how Warren responds. Her poll #s have fallen a lot lately, so she's being given the perfect life boat she could ask for if she decides to take this. The media has been so desperate to get them to fight specifically because they want the left of the party as divided as possible.
It all depends on how Warren responds. Her poll #s have fallen a lot lately, so she's being given the perfect life boat she could ask for if she decides to take this. The media has been so desperate to get them to fight specifically because they want the left of the party as divided as possible.
You should always be skeptical of a "sources say" article, especially when those sources aren't "high ranking" and no other source is collaborating with their own sources.
And I would honestly be more skeptical of Warren or Bernie articles because a lot in the media don't like them and don't have very good dirt to justify their dislike. I don't think they'd ever make anything up, but I do think they might trust some less trustworthy sources, and exaggerate things to make it look like something it's not.
And I would honestly be more skeptical of Warren or Bernie articles because a lot in the media don't like them and don't have very good dirt to justify their dislike. I don't think they'd ever make anything up, but I do think they might trust some less trustworthy sources, and exaggerate things to make it look like something it's not.
I mean this reflects badly on Warren's team to if this was true for staying silent, so long if it happened verbatim as the "anonymous" sources described.
If anything this seems like a poor attempt to pit the progressive candidates against each other as we get closer to the primaries. I still haven't forgiven CNN for that Email coverage they pulled in the 2016 election.
If anything this seems like a poor attempt to pit the progressive candidates against each other as we get closer to the primaries. I still haven't forgiven CNN for that Email coverage they pulled in the 2016 election.
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...im pretty sure that's exactly what most people are talking about here.
- Sanders said in the fucking 80s (on video), before Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million, that he believes a woman can be president
This is exactly the problem with conventional political nonsense theory...The "smart political play" isn't hanging an ally out to dry to gain a couple of short term percentage points.
Smart people will see what Warren is doing here, just like smart people see what Warren did with her "2 cent vs 2 percent" tax messaging and they will rebel against it. Just because something focus rests well doesn't mean it's going to hit well nationally when it's supremely dishonest.
Is Warren's team the people that reported this to have happened? If they didn't report this, I'm not sure that progressives should get the knives out and turn against each other.
I'd wait to see if there's a reply to this during the week.
I'd wait to see if there's a reply to this during the week.
It's still way less contentious than, say the 2016 GOP primary, or the 2008 Dem primary. It's an election
Yea they don't fall for it when it's the candidate they like lol
What sources? Again, this is something that has zero credible evidence and goes against actual recorded video of Bernie expressing the opposite sentiments. It has been denied by Sanders and Warren's team has said nothing yet. The headline literally reads "Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win", which is the alleged quote, which has nothing supporting it. No "alleged" or "possibly" or "may have" in the title, just outright saying it like fact. Don't be disingenuous, as you know how headlines work.
Well.....
If he did say it...hes kinda not wrong ...at least so far.
Dude don't legitimize this bullshit.
Hmm, I'm not a big Bernie fan at all (I'd prefer Warren), but I don't believe he would say such a thing to disparage Warren personally. It could have been a matter of fact statement about the status of how deeply sexist a nation this still is and thus a woman couldn't win in this climate. Article comes across as a hit piece by assuming the worst context of that conversation, but I'm curious what Warren says.
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