but with cyberpunk, we're heading towards that future. i don't think it works divorced from contexts we're familiar with. at that point it's just sci-fi.
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CDPR: Cyberpunk 2077 "is not a political statement"
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The combat didn't have me particularly jazzed, so if the story refuses to explore the themes and issues of a Cyberpunk universe this game is gonna be lame as hell
Don't forget femme characters with penises under the guise of diversity and inclusivity but at the expense of trans people.
Huh? Whatever you're talking about is definitely not Cyberpunk as a genre.
Pretty sure this is just to prevent any fake outrage from the right. There is no way Cyberpunk can be apolitical.
im ignorant to the cyberpunk genre which i guess makes me fortunate as far as expectations - i havent really seen anything from CDPR regarding this game that would make this this game was going to do any sort of meaningful exploration of anything
but i guess we're still a few months out
but i guess we're still a few months out
Refusing to remove, for example, transphobic content from your game under the pretence of "it's art", representing people's "political sympathies" or what they "have to say" still sounds like dog shit to me. The 'indignation train' is like 5 carriages long with past bullshit of theirs so it's pretty rich of you to speak of context in this regard.
Fuck giving them any benefit of the double while they crow about it not being political or art and try to pander with bullshit like inclusivity, while their game and output does the opposite.
Man.
With how shitty and alt-righty CDProjekt is acting with Cyberpunk, I really hope it won't be eligible in time for GOTY.
With how shitty and alt-righty CDProjekt is acting with Cyberpunk, I really hope it won't be eligible in time for GOTY.
Fair point. I guess I see cyberpunk as focused more on fictional politics within the chosen setting in comparison to regular sci fi, but that not changing the basic premise that it's being removed from the contexts we're familiar with. I've always viewed the cyber part of cyberpunk to be entirely about delivering that.
Bad statement but what do you expect I suppose. I bet the game is actually political as hell, & I it'll probably be really good. They just don't want to alienate any chuds. Worth noting that CDPR is very Polish... it's not exactly surprising at all that they are very middle of the road at best with their statements and outright offensive at worst.
I mean they have consistently pandered to chuds and the game does the same, so it seems less not wanting to alienate and more wanting to reassure.
Let's remember some "non political" games
EA "not making any political statements" about WW2 in Battlefield 5
Battlefield 5 will change the name of a new, premium German WW2 avatar, but says it isn't making any political statements with the game.www.eurogamer.net
Tom Clancy’s The Division 2 ‘is not making any political statements’
A game about the next Civil War refuses to take a sidewww.polygon.com
The Outer Worlds Is Not A "Politically Charged" Game, Co-Director Says
It's supposed to be fun and humorous, Leonard Boyarsky says; get all the details here.www.gamespot.com
Infinity Ward says Modern Warfare isn't political
Developers want to examine topics like colonialism, proxy wars, and power imbalance in a totally non-political way.www.pcgamer.com
Game studios are hilariously cowardly and utterly shameless. "We want to exploit real world events and situations to increase interest in our product, but don't want to offend the fragile sensibilities of people who are clearly going to be on the wrong side of history."
What a miserable industry.
Yeah that is true. As I updated in my other post, CDPR is incredibly Polish, which is not exactly the most socially liberal place, so this is unsurprising albeit disappointing nonetheless.
I mean it's essentially a dog whistle so it kinda does matter.
Will it change the game in anyway? No but that's not the problem.
Its ERA bruh, no one bothers reading the article and everyone just wants to react
Video games, particularly AAA video games seem to be forever stuck in the juvenile state they started out in. One day they'll grow up and mature but I've been playing them since the ZX Spectrum and they just keep refusing to. It's very depressing. I have been anticipating this based on how much I enjoyed The Witcher 3 but goddamn they don't want me to buy it apparently.
I wonder if they'd describe The Witcher 3 as not political, too, because...yeah, that game's real fucking political.
I have a hard time believing Cyberpunk isn't packed with political commentary, even if unintentionally as a result of the genre choice, but it's really disappointing to see how CDPR has behaved regarding this game. At best they come off as cowards afraid to stand by their own work.
I have a hard time believing Cyberpunk isn't packed with political commentary, even if unintentionally as a result of the genre choice, but it's really disappointing to see how CDPR has behaved regarding this game. At best they come off as cowards afraid to stand by their own work.
It's still a shit quote no matter how much context there is. Like why is the response to "have you had to change anything because of BLM or the events in the US" "we aren't making a political statement"? That's still a bad response.
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Thread should be closed, it was clearly created in bad faith. It takes something entirely out of context to portray the developers in a bad light in order to incite the usual mob.
These companies will put out statements like BLM and preach for gay and trans rights, but then say stuff like this about their games.
It's about appeasing two groups of people. These companies are scared of the bigots for various reasons. Scared of death threats, afraid they'll lose money. OR they actually side with them but need to tow a line.
It's about appeasing two groups of people. These companies are scared of the bigots for various reasons. Scared of death threats, afraid they'll lose money. OR they actually side with them but need to tow a line.
"a closed statement"
So something is only "political" if it's specifically about current events/modern life
So something is only "political" if it's specifically about current events/modern life
you'll start out the game rebelling against the system and then your revolutionary allies try you for treason or some bullshit. both sides
Cyberpunk 20XX is already an pre-existing universe. Although I'm starting to doubt that Cyberpunk 20XX series creator Mike Pondsmith had much creative influence over this project overall as is supposedly implied.
How else can you explain why CDPR keeps tripping over themselves. I wonder if even Pondsmith regrets giving CDPR the Cyberpunk 20XX license at this point.
yeah I have ZERO expactation for this game's story to have any significant depth.
That's what baffles me. The Witcher is a game where you're literally an outcast who is treated like dirt unless you have something valuable to offer. Pogroms in which non-humans are brutally killed figure heavily in the story and among certain characters. Aristocracy is full of corruption and does terrible things to people. It's soaked in politics.
So it's either:
A) They don't want to talk about the politics because they've already been criticized for their handling of various topics, and those politics are going to end up being pretty shitty or ill thought out, so it's better to not draw any attention to it and hope that people just forget in the glow of the spectacle of the game.
or
B) They are so concerned about the politics of Poland and "gamers" that they want to make sure they don't step on any toes, and want to make sure everyone buys it. Aka; money over everything. Which would make them cowards and best.
I am pretty sure they are trying to make the case that cyberpunk is political within its own fictional bubble, but does not deal with real world politics.
I personally think that is a very bizarre look on the cyberpunk genre since its always had a narrative on current politics, it just happens that the political situations never really changed. it was shit in the 80's and its shit now, so a lot of the cyberpunk genre is still very relevant.
I personally think that is a very bizarre look on the cyberpunk genre since its always had a narrative on current politics, it just happens that the political situations never really changed. it was shit in the 80's and its shit now, so a lot of the cyberpunk genre is still very relevant.
Even if it is, we got this
I want TLoU2 to win just for the sheer meltdowns. I can see so many of theae bigots saying it was rigged if it does wib and calling the press "SJW pandering liars" or saying TLoU2 was "fake deep". Tho I am still hyped for CP2077 and really hopes it properly explores the themes its based off it.
Never read anything else Sprawl related outside Neuromancer (Case wasn't a main character, and I guess I was Case-or-bust back then). Thought they were all disconnected, had no idea that Neuromancer was actually that important to them.
Look I'm a big fan of cyberpunk (especially when it has something to say) and while the "traditional" setup can't be apolitical it's perfectly possible for cyberpunk to have nothing to say. It can be as shallow as any other genre, it doesn't have to address transhumanism or corporations or wealth inequality. It's immensely limiting, for whats already a niche genre, for people to trot out "It's cyberpunk lol" as if anything in the genre has a responsibility to say something or that it should all be rehashed Blade Runner. Cyberpunk fiction can absolutely be apolitical, I mean the world setup this game is shilling cant be so in that context its nonsense but the genre is not inherently political. I mean based on the ludicrously narrow definitions people are throwing around you'd have to fuck out half of Bruce Sterling's seminal Mirrorshades anthology.
As an aside political is starting to feel like a nonsense term. I don't think we quite need to start busting out dictionary definitions like a previous poster but the term has become so nebulous that it wouldnt be surprising that confusion over it springs up e.g. if a piece of art has strong themes and commentary about society is that a social stance or a political one? Is it both? I think most people would have their own answer to that question and all would likely be correct. In short if it was anyone else given the language barrier some benefit of the doubt might be in order. But to be clear I think CDPR, given their appalling track record, deserve absolutely no such concession and I personally have zero doubt what market they are trying to attract with comments like this.
As an aside political is starting to feel like a nonsense term. I don't think we quite need to start busting out dictionary definitions like a previous poster but the term has become so nebulous that it wouldnt be surprising that confusion over it springs up e.g. if a piece of art has strong themes and commentary about society is that a social stance or a political one? Is it both? I think most people would have their own answer to that question and all would likely be correct. In short if it was anyone else given the language barrier some benefit of the doubt might be in order. But to be clear I think CDPR, given their appalling track record, deserve absolutely no such concession and I personally have zero doubt what market they are trying to attract with comments like this.
Bahahahaha you gotta be fucking kidding me, knew I wasn't interested in this game for a reason
Wow, cool future!!
Wow, cool future!!
