Haha so you mean it was even creepier?
Still, nice work. It looks really well made.
CDPR: Cyberpunk 2077 "is not a political statement"
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Still, nice work. It looks really well made.
"Everything is political" comes from a very academic place but it is legitimate. Anyone who has done any cultural studies or an Art degree would be able to take you through it line and verse because it's drilled into them but basically it comes from the same place as everything Man made is cultural/culture (read political) and everything not is natural/nature.
So does that mean Baseball cards are political? Well yes and no. Certain subcultures will be more or less "political" depending on their utility. Something like science fiction for example will very often be very directly political due to it's allegorical nature even without the authors intent but it will also just be political due to it being a very high form of cultural output; much more so than say a baseball card or a toaster.
In this regard almost all narrative based videogames are highly political just by their nature just like all narrative based art or craft.
So is Tetris political? Well Tetris Effect probably is but again it's most obvious the more sophisticated the cultural utility. We could say a political poem, that is a poem about current affairs is more political than the latest chart topping song but both due to their very sophisticated nature are inherently political regardless of their subject matter.
So yeah people throw everything is political around but they're not wrong and in this particular case they're really not wrong.
I'd say we find out how the game is structured and what the message is before grabbing the pitchforks and torches?
But I get that is not as exciting as jumping to conclusions and spewing hate based on a Google translate article from a questionable source begging for clicks.
He has praised 77 as near perfect adaptation of his work, stuff he has dreamed about for long time.
Punk is only political if you make a concerted effort. By itself, punk is an aesthetic that means nothing but "this work makes you feel more powerful." This is the purpose of all entertainment.
Of course I just made all that up lol
Nope. Maybe it's a problem with my device. Thanks anyway. :)Work now?
No it's not my animation I just made the gif.
Ah I see.
It would be cool if all these meme animations lead to some kind of photo mode esque animation creator in the future.
yes? Ok, fuck him too. He used to be cool and punk. But he doesn't making a stand for this kind of bullshit that is opposite to HIS lore is wack.
Let's remember some "non political" games
EA "not making any political statements" about WW2 in Battlefield 5
Battlefield 5 will change the name of a new, premium German WW2 avatar, but says it isn't making any political statements with the game.www.eurogamer.net
Tom Clancy’s The Division 2 ‘is not making any political statements’
A game about the next Civil War refuses to take a sidewww.polygon.com
The Outer Worlds Is Not A "Politically Charged" Game, Co-Director Says
It's supposed to be fun and humorous, Leonard Boyarsky says; get all the details here.www.gamespot.com
Infinity Ward says Modern Warfare isn't political
Developers want to examine topics like colonialism, proxy wars, and power imbalance in a totally non-political way.www.pcgamer.com
Oh yes the very non political game The Outer Worlds. Metal Gear isn't political either by that metric.
This just screams PR to appease idiots who are afraid of works that don't align with their world view. By saying it's not a political statement, people can feel appeased that it won't be a critique of their real world views, but "statement" instead of "discussion" implies the point or climax of the story wouldn't be a specific political point and not that there won't be political statements or critiques in the game. Politics are so vast that most critiques of real life in the game at all could be construed as political in a sense. Americans are just so afraid of the word politics because they're afraid to look inwards towards their own morals and integrity that devs have to pr this shit ahead of time which is just so dumb.
I think this aversion to wanting to be seen to be saying anything is extremely damaging to the mediums credibility.
Imagine a world where music, film and books were this eager to disassociate themselves from any sort of messaging.
Imagine a world where music, film and books were this eager to disassociate themselves from any sort of messaging.
But other developers and Mike have said that cyberpunk is inherently political genre and that 77 isn't shying away from such topics... so umh..?
Even full answer from this interview goes into "we have political stuff" territory as it talks about how they approach designing content. It just sits on the fucking fence and doesn't commit either way which is weak shit, but there is other material out there that makes it sound like 77 will be political.
I hope that the political stuff that he introduced in his games is there in 2077. But come one, you have to admit that this game have some issues about representation.
Yeah, they have some amazing messaging issues and keep shoving that foot into their mouths. Edit: They should just reset their social media team as issues there go beyond just CMs doing tweeting.
When it comes to representation in the game itself I do think they should decouple gendered pronoun from voice choice. That they aren't separated is pretty mind blowing as it's such obvious thing to do, especially if your goal with CC is trying to be inclusive. Using non-gendered pronouns gets trickier as they don't exist at all in some languages they localized into, but having option for languages that have them would been nice.
Talking about e.g. trans issues themselves I want to see how they actually handle such topics in the game. Those few ads that have come out do leave bad taste when observed on their own, but I want to also see if there is something actually there when it comes to talking about it.
When it comes to other topics as capitalism, socialism, religions, government powers, censorship etc. we have basically nothing to even speculate on at this point.
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I think the answer to this question should be that it is up to the audience to interpret if you are not attempting to enact political change through your game. "It's not a political statement" sounds a lot like the game is "apolitical" which it most certainly is not.
This is where I think game developers get into a bind with these questions. Musicians, poets, and painters have politics in their music or works of art, but often don't want to pre-empt the audience's reaction to it by artificially placing ideas in the minds of their audience. A cogent and powerful political work can be spoken with direct calls or communicated in subtle ways.
I can 100% understand the desire to not want to make a piece of art into a topical song or a political song which can be written off and discarded as dated. It completely infects the interpretations of the work and pigeonholes what is expected of you. I think they should have just been honest about this game being finished without any changes made in reaction to George Floyd's death and allow the work to speak for itself.
This is where I think game developers get into a bind with these questions. Musicians, poets, and painters have politics in their music or works of art, but often don't want to pre-empt the audience's reaction to it by artificially placing ideas in the minds of their audience. A cogent and powerful political work can be spoken with direct calls or communicated in subtle ways.
I can 100% understand the desire to not want to make a piece of art into a topical song or a political song which can be written off and discarded as dated. It completely infects the interpretations of the work and pigeonholes what is expected of you. I think they should have just been honest about this game being finished without any changes made in reaction to George Floyd's death and allow the work to speak for itself.
Is he speaking in general or in relation to the George Floyd case? I've seen other CDPR staff say the opposite in interviews.
If it's specifically about altering content post-George Floyd's death, then that's not really surprising. The game has already been in development for years.
If it's specifically about altering content post-George Floyd's death, then that's not really surprising. The game has already been in development for years.
They mean "political" in the way that GGer's say tlou2 has "political agendas"
Or maybe, just maybe they have a really bad track record that this is just the latest example of, and in "context" (since all these posts love that word) it adds up to a company that keeps doing bigoted shit, keeps courting bigots-including this statement because that's all it is, a "see gamers were not being political like TLOU2" (where being political meant having non cis/straight people in it, but that's a whole 'nother conversation)-repeatedly to the point it will be a good thing if it's "non-political" because based on the transphobia both from in game stuff that has been seen and their social media I sure as hell don't trust them in deeper themes that are important to me.
But yes go on as if this is one little thing with no history or context and telling people like me who's life is affected and put in danger when media sends the type of messages that this company does that I have no right to an opinion on it.
Question was directly about Floyd's death and current BLM movement spawned from it, https://www.resetera.com/threads/cd...litical-statement.255558/page-2#post-40759326
I don't like how that full answer sits on the fence. "We aren't political, but we are political" type double answer.
Why even bother calling the game cyberpunk then, that entire genre is about political statements.
If that's the case, I'm not really sure what he was expected to say. Of course they aren't going to alter the game at this point.
I don't think that means the game is going to be entirely devoid of political and social commentary.
This game must be absolute garbage if it doesn't have politics in it. Apolitical Cyberpunk 🤣🤣🤣🤣
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the game both sidesed some "actually, uncontrolled capitalism and exploitation of humans can be good, actually" type stuff.
Nothing exists in a vacuum. Nothing that depicts humans or human activities or anything humans have had a hand on. Certainly not creations that depict dystopic future societies. The pure notion that a cyberpunk thing could be apolitical is ludicrous.
Saying cyberpunk can be apolitical is as silly as saying punk can be apolitical. The whole genre of punk music is based on fighting the system. Much in the same way cyberpunk is sci-fi with a clear intent of exploring the woes of (future) societies in some worst case scenarios. If it has none of that, then it's not cyberpunk it's something else.
Nothing exists in a vacuum. Nothing that depicts humans or human activities or anything humans have had a hand on. Certainly not creations that depict dystopic future societies. The pure notion that a cyberpunk thing could be apolitical is ludicrous.
Even the clip-chimped paragraph OP trotted out for this dumpster-fire of a thread starts with the sentence: "Anyway, I think you saw elements in the game that touch it, so you could find out for yourself." Like, literally and explicitly stating that the game story includes commentary on racial politics.
Twisting someone stating that their game is not a targeted political screed into "LOL THIS GAME NO POLITIX" is the height of disingenuous fuckery.
Not surprised they think like this, the future isn't political anymore. Predictions of the future were a mainstay of politics 20 years ago, nowadays with authoritarian right-wingers in power politics is merely reinterpreting the past to fit your narrative of the present.
I don't think anyone thinks this game doesn't have politics in it. But if their attitude is to not push political messaging, people are just justifiably sceptical they will have done any kind of decent job at creating a noteworthy cyberpunk game
It's amazing. No developer has ever so flawlessly succeeded in making me gradually lose interest in their game like CD has.
Going from day one to most likely day never in a few weeks is a new personal record.
Going from day one to most likely day never in a few weeks is a new personal record.
It's basically what happened to the legacy of Bob Marley and the Reggae genre. Sad to see.
Treating people with respect or even wearing a mask is seen as political from the keep the "politics out my games" crowd. So to say the game is making no political statement, which in and of itself a political statement, is really not up for them to decide.
Bigots think that adding a gay or trans character in a story makes it political.
This is dumb as hell. We all know it's going to be political. It's going to veer to the left as far as capitalism and self identity go so it is extremely disappointing to see them take this line to try to sell more copies to shitheads. Recent history has shown that if your game is good it will sell millions regardless of the political message. The delays continue to hurt my opinion of CDPR (among other things) due to their messaging, I just wish it was out so people can judge it on its own merits. Personally I will wait for reviews and feedback from minority communities before buying when last year I was day 1.
Having lgbt characters is a poltical agenda accoring to bigoted fucks.
honestly this is the most I've eve
I was willing to give them slack with the "they are very polish" when doing press around the the Witcher 3. But now? Fuck that Witcher 3 was a huge success. They have offices all around the world and they want to play in the Big Leagues of AAA. They need to start acting like it.
...but I was told it was just the bad apples in their social media department!?
Screw this studio. Bunch of bigots. Each and every single one of them.
Screw this studio. Bunch of bigots. Each and every single one of them.