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Bethesda's VP of global marketing replies to fan on Twitter with "jfc. You guys are impossible. Enjoy your disappointment"
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Theres a pretty big difference between a personal business making $160,000 a year, a lot of which is going back into the channel, and a company like Bethesda who does $50 million a year or whatever in revenue. I think it's disingenuous to equate the two.
This just reads like the "yet you patricipate in society..curious" meme
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Absolutely.
I don't even have any love for Bethesda, but I felt Pete's tweet 110%.
The ability for a certain subset of Gamers to go wild with expectations for no reason, only to turn around and get outraged at others when their insane fantasies don't pan out, is maddening at times.
I feel like a LOT of developers wish they could post something like this. The forums going stir crazy isn't something they need to acknowledge in their marketing/release schedule.
I've brought this up in threads that I could tell were hyping out of control and been accused of 'not allowing people to have fun' and whatnot. I've been around long enough, every goddamn Nintendo direct has had people pump themselves up for Metroid/Mother 3/F-Zero then complain and temper tantrum there's no news on them (or the news isn't enough), people need to stop deluding themselves into expectations reality isn't going to confirm. Especially when it's the same cycle over and over again.
I've brought this up in threads that I could tell were hyping out of control and been accused of 'not allowing people to have fun' and whatnot. I've been around long enough, every goddamn Nintendo direct has had people pump themselves up for Metroid/Mother 3/F-Zero then complain and temper tantrum there's no news on them (or the news isn't enough), people need to stop deluding themselves into expectations reality isn't going to confirm. Especially when it's the same cycle over and over again.
I feel like this is why developers nowadays are leaning towards announcing games when they're almost ready compared to years out. Fans cant help themselves and want a constant feed of information, even when it's totally unrealistic, and it's hard to demand and expect that if the product doesn't officially exist.
Also somewhat disingenuous to say I'm equating Sterling with Bethesda when I didn't even mention Bethesda in passing.
I'm not equating them -- I just said it's a similar line of thought and philosophy, but the scale is entirely different of course.
People got their expectations up way too much from just a single title card intended to let people know it's on Bethesda's radar.
I can't remember if it was the Banjo stream or the Terry stream, but at least one of the Smash DLC character showcases was appended with a warning along the lines of "this presentation will ONLY be about the character; there will be no announcements."
I remember thinking that I guess it was a good thing that Nintendo was being that explicit, but I was also rolling my eyes at how they felt that they had to warn the manchildren not to get carried away ahead of time.
A complete non-issue just like the ArenaNet thing in the past. If you want creators (and marketers) to bother staying on platforms engaging with fans then expect misunderstandings and outbursts to arise sometimes when they have a preponderance of dumbasses in their mentions every day. People gonna people.
I just used bethesda as an example. Insert any other publisher.
I also think you can't equate "I'm doing content my fans want to keep my channel going and make a living for myself" with "we're implementing shitty anti-consumer practices that objectively make content worse for the fans, so that we can increase revenue and appease shareholders"
Probably would have helped if they didn't release that "teaser". Makes ppl expect to not have to wait 5 years to see something lol.
But at the same time Idk why ppl think they're gonna see something about Elder Scrolls when we haven't even seen anything about Starfield
But at the same time Idk why ppl think they're gonna see something about Elder Scrolls when we haven't even seen anything about Starfield
if I had to deal with the gaming community on a nearly constant basis, I'd say the same stuff too.
doesn't matter what his position is, eventually you get tired of hearing the same bullshit from a shitty and entitled community.
doesn't matter what his position is, eventually you get tired of hearing the same bullshit from a shitty and entitled community.
I can't blame the marketing VP on this one - they announced TES VI when it was probably nothing more than ideas just to get the "fans" off their backs while they advanced on projects that were already greenlighted and at least in pre-production, and they get people asking at every moment while the responde has been clear, resources are allocated to other developments for the moment.
Not the most professional responde, sure, but after all this years of badgering you can empathize with the exasperation.
I'm seeing something similar with Metroid Prime 4 - it was announced to avoid backlash due to Samus Returns, and even with the announcement that it was basically starting from zero when it was handed to Retro you get people moaning that they haven't seen anything.
It's going to be ready when its ready, and I hope that process does not lead to crunch on part of the devs. No game is worth that.
Not the most professional responde, sure, but after all this years of badgering you can empathize with the exasperation.
I'm seeing something similar with Metroid Prime 4 - it was announced to avoid backlash due to Samus Returns, and even with the announcement that it was basically starting from zero when it was handed to Retro you get people moaning that they haven't seen anything.
It's going to be ready when its ready, and I hope that process does not lead to crunch on part of the devs. No game is worth that.
I don't understand the backlash of linking a Yongyea video.
I agree that he's not a good content creator and seems to have most of his work just reading out tweets, but that just kind of makes him a boring pundit/gaming news guy. I haven't heard of him doing anything truly vile like being a bigot or whatever.
If the worst thing you can say about him is that he's bad at video producing, I don't see the big deal about linking his stuff.
I agree that he's not a good content creator and seems to have most of his work just reading out tweets, but that just kind of makes him a boring pundit/gaming news guy. I haven't heard of him doing anything truly vile like being a bigot or whatever.
If the worst thing you can say about him is that he's bad at video producing, I don't see the big deal about linking his stuff.
A Youtuber releasing a 10+ min video everytime a game company does something else than release a game.
That's the part that bugs me, especially lately. He just drones on and on, going over the same bit of info over and over, just to hit the ten minute mark. I stopped watching when I realized his videos could be condensed down to about two minutes and not lose any actual content.
Shitting in your own mouth would be a more pleasurable experience than sitting through one of that guys videos. Bottom of the barrel doesn't cut it.
People would be asking for TES VI with or without that teaser. Bethesda can't win for losing here.
Hypothetically speaking, had they not release that teaser fans would still be wondering and would just complain that they're being ignored. Now, with the teaser, fans are complaining that they're being ignored.
And what's worse is that Bethesda has said time and time again that Starfield is first and TES VI is a long ways away.
There needs to be a name for this phenomena, because this exact same thing happened to me. I was subbed for like two months a few years ago and caught the same thing you did.
He's a bigot. Went all in on gamergate-style rhetoric when there was controversy over the firing of a female employee of ArenaNet (the firing was the result of a similar social media exchange to this current incident ironically, 3 guesses why that one blew up the way it did while this one is fizzling), took an "anti-SJW" stance on trans representation in Cyberpunk 2077, and caters to the alt-right adjacent brand of "gamer rage" generally.
Ah, okay. Nevermind then. I rescind my statement. Backlash away.
I see no problem with what Pete said given this question has been answered that we won't be seeing TES VI anytime soon plus I read it as more playful/exasperated than truly annoyed. When I read the title I thought this was going to be about Doom Eternal's Denuvo controversy in which that would be a bad response. This is nothing however.
Both of Jim and Yong get off on stirring drama. While their videos definitely do cover legitimate issues, the presentation they usually go with seem to be counterproductive. Instead of educational tone, and level headed analysis, they spread outrage and drama. It's why I actually stopped watching both of them. Yong in particular seem to take it even further.
They've been absolutely clear about it being a very long way off. I don't understand why people keep bugging. Having said that, he could've responded in a more respectful way. These people are the ones keeping the lights on at Bethesda. There's definitely a strong sense of entitlement coming from some of those replies, but the majority seem to be respectful.
YongYea isn't banned as far as I can recall. There is a pretty large difference between Sterling and people like YongYea though. Sterling covers parts of the industry that YongYea won't since a lot of his fans are toxic right wing trolls. You think YongYea is going to talk about unionization in the gaming industry? Sure Sterling can be self-aggrandizing but I dispute this push for equivalence between the two.
They are both shit stirring clickbaiters, however Sterling has a modicum of his respect for his audience and in my opinion is way more sincere than the YongYeas of the world.
I think it's fine for it to be a long way off, they still have to release Skyrim for next gen consoles after all.
In all seriousness, the world is a fucked up place and I don't blame people for wanting to see more of a game that they can enmesh themselves in. I don't think they are entitled to get this game or anything and I think there needs to be some patience and respect, but the foundation of this industry is definitely the type of enthusiasm for a game like Elder Scrolls. At the same time I don't blame Pete Hines for losing patience himself. I don't know how any of the people that have to engage with Twitter as part of their job do it. I could not.
I feel the same. I still, however, play and enjoy Fallout but yeah it's no ES.
So where is the line? Can we only post puff pieces? Jim Sterling does SOME good work.
I don't think either should be banned, but I also think YongYea is terrible, I will never watch any of his videos. I don't share that type of derision for Sterling at all even though I find some of his videos to be specious at best.
YouTubers pad out their videos to be 10+ min for higher engagement, so people watch longer and more space for ads. That's how your success is judged now, not subscribers. With YongYea's channel, it's really blatant.
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