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Bethesda's VP of global marketing replies to fan on Twitter with "jfc. You guys are impossible. Enjoy your disappointment"
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His "Apolitical Stance" is the "Get politics out of my games" stance which, you know, isnt apolitical at all. Although he doesnt say anything egregious, his fanbase is carefully cultivated to be those people who harass others who disagree with him.
Plus he has a whole "Dont trust the corrupt videogame media, I'm the one speaking the TRUTH vibe going on."
Wasnt the the one who harassed other channels that were doing some Death Stranding theories that were "better" than his?
What is this? If someone were to enjoy watching Fox News, should they not listen when others inform them that it's all bullshit?
Nah, he nipped it in the bud before 1000 "TES6 news Sunday!!!?!" posts went up.
Sure, but he did so in a dickish way considering the context of the thread.
That's fine but he shouldn't have to apologize to a bunch of rando's for watching something he apparently enjoys (within the boundaries of legality of course)
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Everyone, I've changed the OP, I've removed the YongYea video and am trying to get this thread to turn into a discussion thread regarding why would the VP of global marketing respond in such a way to a person in the quoted tweet.
I've reported the OP to request a title change.
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Don't know, i kinda sympathize with Hines. At some point you realize that your industry never really matured like other industries, and you keep having to deal with shitty gamer children screaming on social media.
Edit: Look at the gamergate level of toxic response over Last of Us 2 leaks for further proof.
Edit: Look at the gamergate level of toxic response over Last of Us 2 leaks for further proof.
And so what? Everyone loses their patience every now and then. This is hardly something to even bring up...
VP of marketing losing patience over eager fans isn't exactly something you'd like to see, but maybe that's just me having unrealistic excpectations of a company such as bethesda.
Oh yeah, I watched a few in which he, cautiously, let it be known that he thought LGTBIQ+ community was being unreasonable about studios' toxic culture. Plus that whole messianic shit you mentioned.
Oh gee, I wonder why, in the middle of a pandemic - after explaining a game you are working on is far away from completion, and admitting fault for it, amid a bunch of baseless speculation related to such a game - why some "innocuous pun" that's joke is the baseless speculation might make someone a little bit mad?
He made a small snippy comment on Twitter. He's human like us. It really, really is not a big deal at all.
Yeah I agree with this
The funny thing about Sterling is that politically he would probably fit in really well on Era, but because he sometimes says mean things about Nintendo or Sony or Steam or Ubisoft, people despise him
I get not liking his aesthetic or the way he scripts his videos/character, but he's almost always right, and on the few occasions he's been objectively wrong and/or made a stupid comment, he's always apologised for it (like the file install size thing)
Yong on the other hand just makes videos where he reads a tweet or thread or forum post and explains what has happened. It's often fluff (like this threads video) and it's often just him reading posts/comments and adding very little of his own opinion, which isn't normally that insightful anyway
I can see why people would dislike them both, but it's telling that people want to lump them in together
Just look at his comments on any video of his (He must have made like, 20) about that trans character in the Cyberpunk Raytraced demo. Its so fucking transparent.
Exactly. And when you look at it, he's in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.
If he stops talking, he's not being communicative and makes the company look stagnant or lazy. Look at the shit Valve gets for this approach.
But if he drops updates, he gets the hype cycle -> anger treatment.
Literally the kind of thing to make you wanna go JFC YOU GUYS ARE IMPOSSIBLE.
This is a fair point, but don't Bethesda tend to have a bit of an after dark vibe to a lot of their communications. Their E3 presentations have always been on late so they could swear, and appeal to a mature crowd.
Also, as you've said, he's the Senior Vice President of Communications, isn't it up to him to decide what is suitable for casual conversations on Twitter? Better yet, how do we know that most people at BGS aren't A-OK with Hines' response?
While I'm not saying what he's said is right, I just object to the idea that the standard you seem to expect of Bethesda is the one that they should stick to.
An extreme but it illustrates my point: You wouldn't expect PornHub and Disney to have the same rules for content and communications when posting on Twitter.
Agree to disagree. Not after the shit bethesda did recently.
I agree with only one thing he said, he is definitely failing to manage expectations.
It's because even though Sterling does put in far more effort, he still fits pretty neatly into the angry person on YouTube shtick. Gaming is already full of negativity and that shtick is tiring as all hell.
I understand Petes frustration, we as fans need to cool down a tad, I get that people get hyped, excited for upcoming games. But can't we just let the devs work on their own timeline? And when someone like Pete gets annoyed or answers in a way that may seem harsh we let it go, we don't need to make 600 Youtube videos or start some form of protest because he was rude to someone.
We're not entitled to anything, as a community we really need to chill the fuck out.
We're not entitled to anything, as a community we really need to chill the fuck out.
Eh, not really. People are relentless with the same questions and prodding expectations when there's nothing to share and a lot of people can be hostile towards Bethesda anyway, but also to spokespeople when they don't get what they want.
That may not be on full display here but I imagine he's just over it which may not be the most professional but at least it's honest.
Which is pretty unfair honestly. This is an incredibly stressful time for us all, and regardless that comment is so ridiculously benign.
Not really related but kind of is, I am getting a new puppy and went to view it at the weekend. Turns out the guy works for Bethesda in London which was cool. I asked when the next Elder Scrolls is coming as I had completely forgot about Starfield to be fair but he said after Starfield.
I have to go back in early June to pick up the new pupper so might ask if he has had the next gen dev kits and how is he finding working with them if so as I assume they must have them surely by now.
I have to go back in early June to pick up the new pupper so might ask if he has had the next gen dev kits and how is he finding working with them if so as I assume they must have them surely by now.
If your job was to spend all day dealing with constant berating from strangers with unreasonable expectations, you'd get pretty fed up too. Anyone who has ever worked in customer service can vouch for it.
Pretty sure he's getting tired of having to tell people no TES news is inc. Starfield will be up first.
Future Yong video:
Puppy owning forum poster SLAMS Bethesda London employee for not revealing more Elder Scrolls info
Where he just reads posts from this thread for 15 mins
So basically your marketing boss says - Jesus Fucking Christ.
It's only reflection how moronic Board of Bethesda is. I'll not underline how idiotic is rest of the Board.
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It seems like to me, Bethesda officially announced the next Elder Scrolls game too early, thus causing fans of Elder Scrolls to constantly question when will it be released, is there any new information on Elder Scrolls.
You can't be serious with this shit. Basically saying people deserve any toxic reactions they get just for hyping up fans.
He is, and he's also the dude who has a filing cabinet full of signed statements from new hires saying they received media literacy training, which basically amounts to a PowerPoint slideshow about how you aren't allowed to get snippy with fans on social media while using a name that can be traced back to involvement with the company. (For example, the official account of Pete Hines, Senior VP of Global Marketing.)
Like obviously he's not going to fire himself for it anytime soon, but he sure is setting a sterling example for all the employees who have to worry about getting canned for engaging in exactly what he's doing here because of policies he signs off on.
Elder Scrolls fan were doing the exact same before they announced it, with a hint of "they're never doing an Elder Scrolls again!" mixed in.
They said when they announced it that it wouldn't be out until after Starfield was released, which even at the time they said that was still years out.
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So people have been ignoring that announcement ever since that initial announcement for the next Elder Scrolls game then?
I'm not sure the some day/sunday pun reply was toxic. I'm also not "basically" saying anything except Bethesda likes to whip up passion when it suits shareholders and the hype cycle in gaming is dumb.
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