lmao, no. I swear people here can be ridiculous in their belief that even the most basic ownership rights should be stripped when they pose even the slightest safety threat, all the while ignoring stuff that kills far more people. I mean cool if you enjoy living in a society where your leaders and your countrymen consider the average citizen so irresponsible that they can't even own an SUV. But some of us actually need a vehicle like that to get to work on time in the winter.
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Berliners call for 4x4 ban after four people killed in collision
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lmao, no. I swear people here can be ridiculous in their belief that even the most basic ownership rights should be stripped when they pose even the slightest safety threat, all the while ignoring stuff that kills far more people. I mean cool if you enjoy living in a society where your leaders and your countrymen consider the average citizen so irresponsible that they can't even own an SUV. But some of us actually need a vehicle like that to get to work on time in the winter.
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The average van or truck can at least be justified as being a necessity for people who actually work and require a big car for tools or equipment. Tradespeople like builders and electricians, musicians, etc. The average SUV-like the car in the OP is a complete vanity vehicle, designed to sell a lifestyle after people became to embarrased to buy a station wagon for their family car, useless for any real off road driving and not any better as a family car than the average sedan. You don't need a Cayanne for two kids and your weekly groceries.
These cars are wasteful, inefficient polluting deathtraps, and i'd suggest anyone who "needs" one to do hobby offroading to get a less wasteful hobby. 🙄
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Nobody's saying that, not even the greens. But there's a place and time for everything. Most European cities just don't have the space to accommodate the ever-growing amount of cars, plus the cars are getting bigger and bigger in size.
I'm not against big vehicles, but they should be used appropriately; for transportation of goods or large groups of people. There's absolutely no need for them in Berlin if their only use is going to be driving your two kids to school and go shopping.
Guys, get used to the SUV look. It's the evolution of car design. What do you think level 5 fully autonomous cars will look like? You'll want to freaking do yoga on your commute, it's going to be more boxy , taller etc. Room to watch a movie on a big screen, or rotatable chairs so you can dine like a man of class.
Yeah, that is idiotic. So many cities banning recent diesel vehicles while allowing older gas vehicles that pollute more.
It's pretty inline with the authoritative streak a lot of posters have around here.
banning diesel vehicles, specifically old diesel vehicles that can't upgrade to an appropriate filter, isn't about greenhouse emissions but about fine particles
Aren't the people with those vehicles generally in worse economic situations than people who own recent diesel vehicles? Those older cars are going to be off the road soon just through deprecation, I don't know how taking away poor people's way to get to work is gonna fly.
Yes, let's ban all (something something) because of an accident where the driver suffered something medical.
There are also people dying because they fall from stairs. So let's ban stairs. Sometimes a runner dies from a heartattack, let's ban running.
How about those nasty airplanes. If they crash several hundreds of people die. Let's ban airplanes.
There are also people dying because they fall from stairs. So let's ban stairs. Sometimes a runner dies from a heartattack, let's ban running.
How about those nasty airplanes. If they crash several hundreds of people die. Let's ban airplanes.
But that is not how the bans work. Some are already going to ban EURO4 cars with a filter while allowing EURO2 gas cars.
That's only like a 9 year difference according to what I found on the internet. And it makes sense since on older cars, diesel engines pollute more than gas engines. I'm guessing it also relates to particulate filters on diesel engines.
WTF.. almost any car hitting people at speed will kill them. This has nothing to do with SUVs.
All wheel drive.. evil 4x4!
Subaru's are EVIL 4x4s!
What I think of when I see 4x4..
What they mean..
How cheeky of you to post the same picture twice, thinking we wouldn't notice!
Yeah, good luck with that. It's the fasting selling section of the car market the world over. The fact that Porsche makes a couple of them tells you how well they sell.
But it's bizarre, it's not as if a Mini Cooper couldn't mount a kerb and kill 4 people too. That's not a thing specific to 4x4s.
But it's bizarre, it's not as if a Mini Cooper couldn't mount a kerb and kill 4 people too. That's not a thing specific to 4x4s.
And this is why I said earlier on that one should never justify their car purchase.
I think it'd make a lot of sense to have a standard curb height and mandate that all vehicles legal to drive in the city must have a lower ride height than the curb height. It wouldn't necessarily stop a vehicle from mounting a curb, but I'd imagine it'd absorb a lot of the kinetic energy. I'd imagine the big problem with that would be the cost of standardizing all the curbs in the city.
No. Winter is a real thing here. I'd get stuck multiple times a year without an SUV, and I'm not willing to get stuck in snowstorms with my children in the back. In a small vehicle even with AWD, I'd get high centered.
It is a 23 year old gas car that is allowed versus a 14 year old diesel that isn't. There was even no standard on fine particles for gas cars under Euro2.
Sadly there are a lot of people that think they can legislate paradise.
And no, I'm not giving up my suv because of an unfortunate car accident. I've done small cars in snow before. Nope. Not going back to that.
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The Macan doesn't seem big enough to warrant a ban. But those giant Ram trucks that have been popping up with increasingly greater frequency recently, those can fuck off. They don't belong on Dutch roads as far as I'm concerned.
The country is flat and we don't get much (if any) snowfall here so that excuse's out of the window.
The country is flat and we don't get much (if any) snowfall here so that excuse's out of the window.
old petrol cars should be banned from city centers too but the primary contributors right now are old diesels with no filters. There's just way more of these on the roads too, diesel was super popular for a long time since fuel was way cheaper. The last bit is a bit of conjecture since it's hard to find hard numbers on share of diesel cars that isn't newly registered cars.
Get a minivan. Still a better option for yourself and those around you than buying a raised Golf or an overcompensating SUV. Nice try though.
Yeah 100% would love a ban. There are so many of the stupid bloody things around here, lots of rich twats (mostly footballers) in the area who just barrel around in their massive overcompensation tanks churning the roads up. Endless potholes everywhere that the council doesn't bother to fix. Of course the drivers of these things don't care, it doesn't affect them, they barely even feel the bumps in the road. Meanwhile regular cars end up with catastrophic damage if they don't constantly dodge all the holes. They're a blight.
I think SUVs should disappear from cities/most of Germany not because of this accident, but because they're bad for the environment and nobody needs those cars around where we live.
But it's beyond silly to use such an accident to push through this political agenda. I don't see how it would have been much different with a more regular car...
But it's beyond silly to use such an accident to push through this political agenda. I don't see how it would have been much different with a more regular car...
plenty of posts in this thread explaining why: because the height of the SUV is closer to vital organs whereas regular cars just hit you in the legs.
I hate SUVs. I always assume a certain type of character of the driver when I see one of these cars.
I mean, I dont think this call applys to an area where that problems are a thing, so whats the problem with a SUV Ban in Berlin?
I support banning all SUVs and pickups unless you provide written reason why you need one to the DMV and get a specific license for that purpose.
It's a good first step toward ridding the world of the personal automobile. ^_^
It's a good first step toward ridding the world of the personal automobile. ^_^
Some of you have truly lost it or know little about life outside of City CBD centres and it's sad.
Government paperwork; that will surely solve all the problems and nobody without an appropriate reason to own one will. Whatever an appropriate reason is...
it truly is amazing to see how people who have never left city life (except maybe a bit of suburbs) think things work. It's bizarre.
I live in a rural area. Not a big plot, 5 acres, but our vehicle situation is an SUV (small sized; Chevy Blazer 2-door) and a pickup (Dodge Ram, no lift kit or anything like that though). I cannot imagine having to justify to the DMV why I need those vehicles. People are fucking stupid.
I love love love love love riding my motorcycles. You know this. But if governments ever got their collective acts together for a blanket ban on all recreational or non essential petrol/diesel burning, I would welcome it. (Provided it's part of an offensive that's based on data and equally impactful for both rich and poor). Not gonna happen though, so I'll just take the big twins for the occasional spin until the whole mess comes tumbling down like a house of cards.
What specifically about SUVs makes them any worse than transit vans, buses, lorries and black cabs that also drive through cities?
This seems bizzare to me.
This seems bizzare to me.
Much more people buy SUVs and SUVs are replacing normal cars, while beeing much bigger as them
