UAP/UFO |OT|

Forerunner · Jan 11, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/RepRobertGarcia/status/1745459621673017778

UAP reporting is critical to our national security and transparency. That's why I've introduced the Safe Airspace for Americans Act with @RepGrothman today. It would facilitate reporting of UAPs by civilian aviation personnel. Thanks to @SafeAerospace for your partnership.

Forerunner · Jan 11, 2024

Bipartisan lawmakers unveil legislation to close gap in UAP reporting

New legislation proposed by bipartisan lawmakers aims to protect civilian pilots and air personnel who report sightings of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) — more commonly known as UFOs. Under t…

thehill.com

Under the "Safe Airspace for Americans Act," led by Reps. Robert Garcia (D-Calif.) and Glenn Grothman (R-Wis.), pilots are encouraged to provide information to the U.S. government — primarily the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), which would relay reports to the Pentagon's All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) — in exchange for legal safeguards.

"UAP transparency is incredibly important for our national security, which is why we need to create a space where those in aviation have the ability to report their findings and experiences," Garcia said in a statement. "This bill is another step forward for disclosure and to provide a safe process for UAP reporting by civilian and commercial personnel."

The legislation would cover civilian pilots, FAA air traffic controllers, flight attendants, maintenance workers, dispatchers and airlines. If passed, it would also require the FAA to share any information related to the incident with the AARO and investigate the reports further, the lawmakers said in a statement.

Grothman said serious questions remain around whether UAPs post a significant risk to national security, and the bill would help create transparency around the topic.

"Following Congressional testimony from military pilots who witnessed these phenomena, the Safe Airspace for Americans Act is a crucial initiative that empowers those on the frontline of our skies to contribute valuable intelligence regarding UAP sightings that can help ensure that potential threats are thoroughly investigated," he said.

"With the majority of Americans believing that the government has suppressed information on UAPs, our bipartisan effort highlights our need for transparency from the federal government regarding UAPs to better protect the safety and security of American citizens," Grothman added.

Forerunner · Jan 11, 2024

The claims that it dropped into the water and shot out into the sky never happened.

View: https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1745520023576199220

A Marine who worked on the base in Iraq tells me he saw the full 17 minute "jellyfish" UFO video. He says the Marines nicknamed it the "spaghetti monster." Michael Cincoski says he worked in intelligence surveillance recognizance -- and that the video is from 2017, not 2018.

zooj · Jan 11, 2024

Forerunner said:
The claims that it dropped into the water and shot out into the sky never happened.

View: https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1745520023576199220

Typical Corbell L

ced · Jan 11, 2024

Forerunner said:
The claims that it dropped into the water and shot out into the sky never happened.

Of course it didn't or they would provide the video.

Here is Corbell again with another dud, with a story that is most likely fabricated.

Metabunk thread showing it's most likely just an artifact from a missile strike

The "Chandelier" UFO

View: https://x.com/JeremyCorbell/status/1745475373331300605?s=20

coldcrush · Jan 11, 2024

Hoping the IG meeting with congress tomorrow is fruitful even if its all classified I am hoping we get some good reactions from congress and looking forward to Grushes op ed going into more unknown details about when he worked in the program that was tracking UAP. These are way more interesting to me than debating about the legitimacy of the Jellyfish video

Forerunner · Jan 11, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/RepRobertGarcia/status/1745600430342570372

Forerunner · Jan 12, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/RepRobertGarcia/status/1745833083901804812

View: https://twitter.com/ask_a_pol/status/1745823479197229453

View: https://twitter.com/RepOgles/status/1745840080361566536

View: https://twitter.com/JCliff_Scoops/status/1745823681366859946

UAP Classified Briefing Gaggle. @RepLuna differentiates between the terms extra-terrestrial & inter-dimensional and points to Grusch's use of the later. @RepRobertGarcia appears shaken by what was discussed and says there was substantial info shared with the committee. @RepMoskowitz said that this verified a lot of the claims made about UAPs and seemed pleased with the transparency compared to the last briefing they were given.

Forerunner · Jan 12, 2024

Lawmakers investigating UAPs, or UFOs, remain frustrated after closed-door briefing with government watchdog

House lawmakers emerging from the closed-door briefing said they remained frustrated in their attempts to get more information about UAPs.

www.cbsnews.com

Thomas Monheim, the inspector general of the intelligence community, briefed members of the House Oversight Committee's national security subcommittee on Capitol Hill. The meeting came months after the subcommittee held a high-profile public hearing that featured tantalizing testimony from a former military intelligence officer-turned-whistleblower named David Grusch.

Several lawmakers who emerged from the briefing on Capitol Hill said they were frustrated by the lack of new information about Grusch's allegations. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi, a Democrat from Illinois, told reporters that lawmakers "haven't gotten the answers that we need."

"Everybody is wondering about the substance of those claims. And until we actually look at those specifically, and try to get answers about those, those claims are just going to be out there," he said. "And so that's what we needed to kind of delve into. And unfortunately, I just wasted time in there not kind of figuring out whether those were true."

GOP Rep. Tim Burchett of Tennessee said the subcommittee was playing "Whack-a-Mole" in its efforts to elicit information from the executive branch: "You go to the next [briefing], until we get some answers."

Others struck a more positive tone. Rep. Robert Garcia, the top Democrat on the subcommittee, said he "would have loved to receive much more information," but added that "it's reasonable to say that everyone that was in the room received probably new information."

Democratic Rep. Jared Moskowitz of Florida said the meeting was "the first real briefing that we've had, that we've now made, I would say, progress on some of the claims Mr. Grusch has made."

"This is the first time we kind of got a ruling on what the IG thinks of those claims. And so this meeting, unlike the one we had previously when we did this briefing, this one actually moved the needle," Moskowitz said.

Many UAP reports have been shown to have innocuous origins, but a subset has defied easy explanation. The issue has gained renewed attention from lawmakers over the past few years, with heightened concerns about the national security implications of unidentified objects flying in U.S. airspace.

Forerunner · Jan 12, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/1745852400630456618

Milky Way · Jan 12, 2024

That's what I like to hear!

banananahammock · Jan 12, 2024

Forerunner said:
View: https://twitter.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/1745852400630456618

well that is really good to hear, and also terrifying. keep pulling that thread

Zaro · Jan 12, 2024

Hope we will learn what claims have merit one day.

Forerunner · Jan 12, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/JCliff_Scoops/status/1745868924040720800

View: https://twitter.com/JCliff_Scoops/status/1745870374506573844

View: https://twitter.com/JCliff_Scoops/status/1745872652235939959

View: https://twitter.com/JCliff_Scoops/status/1745871810443280719

Forerunner · Jan 12, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/blackvaultcom/status/1745882544351100977

Recently released documents to The Black Vault via the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) offer a rare glimpse into the Department of Defense Inspector General's evaluation of the DoD's response to Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP). The documents focus on a June 12, 2021, interview with "UFO Whistleblower" David Grusch. The interview summary, part of the "Evaluation of the DoD's Actions Regarding Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena" DODIG-2023-109, highlights Grusch's critique of the existing UAP analysis methods and his proposal for a new approach.

David Grusch, dubbed the "UFO Whistleblower" by the mainstream media since he came forward with bombshell allegations (if true) about a UFO cover-up of non-human technology, pointed out the lack of a formal process for reporting and investigating UAP sightings.

Critiquing the shallow analysis in the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) UAP report, Grusch emphasized the need for more rigorous assessments, suggesting 'red and blue' teams for objective analysis.

The documents also reveal Grusch's vision for a "Strategic Anomaly Resolution Office," dedicated to investigating UAPs and other strategic anomalies.

Accompanying this release was a PowerPoint presentation, notable for its lack of redactions or classification markings, which does raise the question on if it was an official PowerPoint presentation, or a "briefing" created by Grusch himself on his own time to pitch to the DoD.

Just six weeks after Grusch gave this idea in a Top Secret meeting with the DoD/IG, Christopher Mellon, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence in the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations, opined the exact same idea for an office in a July 2021 blog post titled, "Suggestions for Congress on the UAP Issue."

"I therefore suggest framing the issue broadly to give the troops a place to send all manner of strange and unexpected phenomena that don't readily fit in an existing job jar," Mellon wrote. "Perhaps something like 'The Office of Strategic Anomaly Resolution' that could become an analytic starting point for other anomalies."

What was absent in the documents were details that Grusch has become more widely known for. Allegations of non-human 'dead' pilots of UAP; claims of crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs of craft of unknown origin; and the idea "white-collar crime" the was being committed to conceal UFO research efforts were all not mentioned in the DoD/IG's notes. Redactions were minimal, and were all primarily FOIA exemption (b)(6), which essentially protects personal privacy. This rules out that any classified material was exempted within this release.

There was a mention, however, of "UAP Material" by Grusch, and it was tied to a Air Force point of contact. The identity of that individual was redacted.

Only 16 pages were released in response to the FOIA request for all documents related to Grusch's communications with the DoD/IG, despite the request encompassing a wide range of materials including correspondence, reports, memos, and transcripts, filed in June of 2023. A new request has been filed to include information beyond the 2021 date.

Abraxas · Jan 12, 2024

Thank you for keeping this buried thread alive!

Talking with my wife whose not into any of this stuff I bring it down to either there is something there, or there isn't something there. If this brings us closer to thinking there being something then there's some exciting work to be done.

Kibbles · Jan 13, 2024

Forerunner said:
The claims that it dropped into the water and shot out into the sky never happened.

View: https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1745520023576199220

He's denounced Greenstreet for mischaracterizing him on Twitter lol.

https://x.com/mrcinco96/status/1745637390683709636?s=46&t=KGPdb_88fLveTc519vBu5A

https://x.com/mrcinco96/status/1745803469603172479?s=46&t=KGPdb_88fLveTc519vBu5A

https://x.com/mrcinco96/status/1745639328154365976?s=46&t=KGPdb_88fLveTc519vBu5A

Forerunner · Jan 13, 2024

NYT: U.F.O.s Remain a Mystery to Lawmakers After Classified Briefing

The closed-door briefing with Thomas A. Monheim, the inspector general of the intelligence community, was supposed to help members of the House Oversight Committee understand if there was any credibility to the bombshell claims made by a high-profile whistle-blower in July.

But what, if anything, was actually said was far from clear. It didn't help that the whole session was confidential, so the lawmakers were barred by law from relaying what they had heard — not exactly a formula for combating the raft of conspiracy theories that has sprung up around U.F.O.s, fueled by government reports documenting unexplained incidents with what it calls "unidentified anomalous phenomena" and the recent whistle-blower account.

Intelligence officials declined to comment on the classified briefing. A representative of Mr. Monheim's office also declined to comment. But one U.S. official said the government still has no evidence of space aliens visiting planet Earth.

That did little to satisfy lawmakers who said they had become accustomed to government waffling and snubs when it comes to U.F.O.s.

Burchett: Classified UFO briefing ‘energized’ Congress on issue, more hearings expected

Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) said the classified briefing around unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAPs), more commonly known as UFOs, may have only moved the needle a little bit, but it “ener…

thehill.com

Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) said the classified briefing around unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAPs), more commonly known as UFOs, may have only moved the needle a little bit, but it "energized" the House on the issue.

"I'd say on a scale of one to ten, I'd give it a four. I'd say the needle moved … it was bipartisan," Burchett told NewsNation host Chris Cuomo in an interview Friday, when asked about how the hearing went.

He noted that "the whole gang" was in the room, pointing out Reps. Jared Moskowitz (D-Fla.), Alexandria Ocasio Cortez (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.).

"At one time, we had 16 congressmen in there," he added. "And these were people that normally … you wouldn't see."

HStallion · Jan 13, 2024

Surprising to no one but to those who want to be fooled.

"Aliens" found in Peru are actually dolls made of bones, forensic experts declare

"They are not extraterrestrials, they are not intraterrestrials, they are not a new species, they are not hybrids, they are none of those things that this group of pseudo-scientists who for six years have been presenting with these elements," Estrada said.

The humanoid three-fingered dolls consisted of earth-bound animal and human bones assembled with modern synthetic glue, Estrada elaborated. It isn't the first time Maussan has had an otherworldly corpse debunked — he made similar claims in 2017.

srtrestre · Jan 13, 2024

HStallion said:
Surprising to no one but to those who want to be fooled.

"Aliens" found in Peru are actually dolls made of bones, forensic experts declare

the more shocking part is that people still believe Maussan

Forerunner · Jan 13, 2024

lol

View: https://twitter.com/ask_a_pol/status/1746080437145833937

As the elevator doors open two flights above the SCIF, Chair Turner is greeted by Laslo.

"Hey, how'd it go in there?" Laslo asks.

"Umm," Turner replies.

Like his vocals, Turner's face quickly switches to silent mode.

He's obviously annoyed. Gruffy yet desperately grasping for an expressionless expression.

Sensing his never-comment mood, Laslo calls an audible.

"Happy New Year, Mr. Chair!"

"Cheers," Turner replies — never turning to make eye contact — limply lifting his, seemingly, liquor-less morning coffee cup in the air to Ask a Pol.

Forerunner · Jan 14, 2024

‘It only takes one to be real and it changes humanity for ever’: what if we’ve been lied to about UFOs?

The continuing lack of transparency about UFOs in the US is causing concern not only about the existence of aliens but about the psychological fallout of uncovering a conspiracy

www.theguardian.com

If you thought that we were about to finally get the truth about UFOs, think again. At the end of last year, a US government bill that would have mandated the controlled release of all classified documents and artefacts relating to UFOs was significantly watered down at the last minute so that it would get through Congress.

While it is easy to focus on the extraordinary nature of the subject or the credibility of those witnessing UAPs, the prospect of alien spacecraft raises serious issues that go beyond whether we're alone in the universe. Lots of scientific work is under way not only to look for signs of extraterrestrial life, but more recently to ask what it would mean psychologically for us if aliens really do exist, and – potentially worse – if the authorities have been lying to us about what they know.

When it comes to governments, the primary issue is trust. As Republican congressman Glenn Grothman of Wisconsin explained in his opening remarks on 26 July: "The lack of [government] transparency regarding UAPs has fuelled wild speculation and debate for decades, eroding public trust in the very institutions that are meant to serve and protect them."

The Disclosure Act was meant to restore public trust and assure Congress that secret projects were not taking place beyond its oversight.

In short, it would finally have revealed the facts about UAPs. But most of these stipulations have now been struck out. All that remains is the archive, but it will not be administered by an independent body. Following the vote, Schumer described the archive as "a major, major win for government transparency" but then went on to say that it was "an outrage" that the proposed review board was not adopted. "Now it means that declassification of UAP records will be largely up to the same entities that have blocked and obfuscated their disclosure for decades," he said.

Not only has the act done little to improve transparency – it is already driving the suspicion that the US government really does have something to hide.

"If it is the case that there is no substance to the UFO/UAP issue beyond misperceptions, paranoia, delusions, hallucinations, gullibility and disinformation then the government, military and academic organisations need to openly and transparently look under every alleged rock in this topic," says clinical psychologist Daniel Stubbings of Cardiff Metropolitan University. "But they have chosen to do the exact opposite, which increases the suspicion that there is something to hide."

People have been seeing unexplainable things in the sky for millennia. While it is easy to dismiss them as hallucinations or flights of fancy, it is much harder to ignore photographs and videos from reputable sources. This is exactly what the office of the director of national intelligence in the US released in 2021. Its report Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena detailed that the US Department of Defense's Unidentified Aerial Phenomena task force was investigating 144 UAP reports made between 2004 and 2021, mostly by military personnel. It also released three declassified videos of some of these UAPs in action.

It was such material that helped persuade Stubbings to take the subject seriously. He interviewed people who believed they had seen something they could not explain, interested in identifying any underlying mental health needs, or common personality types among them. He found that all kinds of personality profiles see UAPs and many are left with unmet psychological needs

"Initially I felt confident that the UAP issue could be explained by prosaic psychological and/or situational factors, but the more I looked into real cases the less sure I became," says Stubbings.

"I started realising this is a very credible topic. If true, it's a game-changer," he says. "If it's not true, it's deeply concerning. How did we get to this point in society where we are thinking all this stuff is true, and we're spending all this money looking into it?"

A few years ago, physicist John Priestland, who runs an engineering consultancy, found himself wondering what this would mean to us as individuals. "If there is something here to be disclosed then I'm very conscious that there are a lot of people who will be affected and there isn't an entity out there, as far as I can see, that is putting people first," he says.

So he set up Unhidden, a charity dedicated to decreasing the stigma associated with discussing UAPs, non-human intelligences, and the possibility that evidence is being covered up by governments.

It's a mission that Stubbings agrees with. "There is still a stigma around this topic; people are so frightened about discussing it," he says. "But it only takes one account to be real and it changes the narrative of humanity for ever."

This is why the Disclosure Act was seen as important, and its altered version is such a disappointment, even potentially dangerous, says Priestland.

"These days it's all about 'my truth', except for people who happen to see strange things in the sky. We don't legitimise their truth." He says they need help and support. "And we need to do that in the context of possible disclosure, because there might suddenly be 8 billion people who have to get used to the fact that they're being told that there's a very different worldview by exactly the organisations that they now realise have lied to them for the past 80 years."

Forerunner · Jan 15, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/MvonRen/status/1747023681099067728

TheBee · Jan 16, 2024

View: https://youtu.be/fZa-Xt9Byjk?si=cBjajjB_FvJXrZeD

Forerunner · Jan 16, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/RepNancyMace/status/1747374424989265970

The Safe Airspace for Americans Act empowers aviation personnel to report UAP encounters to the FAA without fear of retaliation.

This marks a noteworthy advancement for the UAP bill, enhancing our commitment to understanding and addressing unidentified aerial phenomena.

JetmanJay · Jan 16, 2024

TheBee said:
View: https://youtu.be/fZa-Xt9Byjk?si=cBjajjB_FvJXrZeD

Was listening to a podcast this morning where a family saw one of the big black triangle shaped UFO's in the 80's over their home. When it hovered over them, everything went silent - no wind through the trees, no bugs, no barking dogs, etc. have heard similar stories from others who see these specific black triangle UAP's. Always assumed these things just had the ability to create a silent bubble below/around it somehow. Now I'm wondering if they basically stop time under/around it instead. Like it just travels in a bubble outside of time somehow.

mrbogus · Jan 16, 2024

JetmanJay said:
Was listening to a podcast this morning where a family saw one of the big black triangle shaped UFO's in the 80's over their home. When it hovered over them, everything went silent - no wind through the trees, no bugs, no barking dogs, etc. have heard similar stories from others who see these specific black triangle UAP's. Always assumed these things just had the ability to create a silent bubble below/around it somehow. Now I'm wondering if they basically stop time under/around it instead. Like it just travels in a bubble outside of time somehow.

I just tend to think their propulsion mechanism stops sound waves from propagating.

Forerunner · Jan 17, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/blackvaultcom/status/1747673543578652696

The Pentagon has issued a statement about the "Jellyfish" UFO/UAP case as released on TMZ by @JeremyCorbell:

We do not comment on the authenticity of alleged DOD material that may have been leaked. DOD takes public interest in unidentified anomalous phenomena seriously and is committed to openness and accountability to the American people. This commitment must be balanced with the department's obligation to protect sensitive information, sources, and methods. To that end, AARO will provide updates to the public via its website as it resolves UAP cases, including sharing the analytic approach and method used for each case, as well as imagery, when approved for public release.

The Department of Defense takes the potential unauthorized disclosure of national security information very seriously. DOD organizations, including AARO, regularly emphasize to their workforces the importance of protecting national security information in accordance with information security laws, regulations, and processes.

-- Sue Gough, Department of Defense spokesperson

DieH@rd · Jan 18, 2024

Not a single denial in that statement.

Forerunner · Jan 18, 2024

DoD 'completely rewrites' classification policy for secret space programs - Breaking Defense

Under the new approach, there must be a technical rationale for stamping a space program as special access, not simply because of a service policy decision, said DoD space policy czar John Plumb.

breakingdefense.com

Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks has signed off on a new classification policy for space programs that discourages the use of Special Access Program status (SAPs) that dramatically limits clearances to handful of US officials — in hopes of opening still-secret programs to more stakeholders, including US allies and industry partners, according to a senior official.

While the specifics of the policy, signed off by Hicks "at the end of 2023," are themselves classified, Plumb explained that a key issue has been the overuse of SAPs that not only have limited the ability to share with allies and industry, but even among different organizations within the Defense Department.

"So, anything we can bring from a SAP level to a Top Secret level for example, brings massive value to the warfighter, massive value to the department, and frankly, my hope is over time [it] will also allow us to share more information with allies and partners that they might not currently be able to share."

National security space leaders within the Pentagon and outside experts for years have been pushing to lower the sky-high classification levels traditionally applied to all things military space. This has included a call for declassifying information about DoD's plans for conducting warfighting in space — but this new policy document does not do that, Plumb said.

Plumb acknowledged that it will take time for the new approach to work its way down through the bureaucracy and be accepted, but said at the same time there are "many folks looking forward to getting started on it."

Forerunner · Jan 18, 2024

View: https://x.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1748023939572310499?s=20

Forerunner · Jan 19, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/TheHillOpinion/status/1748321910750929379

According to philosopher Nick Bostrom, a novel technological discovery may one day devastate human civilization. In Bostrom's "vulnerable world" theory, only extraordinary interventions — such as unprecedented global cooperation or surveillance — can prevent a sufficiently dangerous new technology from ushering in civilizational collapse.

With key members of Congress suspecting that the U.S. already possesses such uniquely destabilizing technology, Bostrom's hypothesis may soon be put to the test.

A popular assumption holds that any official disclosure that humanity is not alone will unite the nations of the world by default. But this is by no means guaranteed.

On the contrary, a sudden public revelation that the U.S. possesses inconceivably advanced technology could be a uniquely destabilizing event.

China's military, for example, relies heavily on espionage and the emulation of U.S. technology. Russia's defense industry is in shambles, compounded by staggering losses in Ukraine. These nuclear-armed states would naturally fear the sudden injection of highly advanced UFO technology into a comparatively mature, sophisticated American industrial base for technical analysis and exploitation.

Russia or China would thus be motivated to engage in a range of destabilizing actions to hedge against the U.S. attaining an insurmountable strategic advantage. More worryingly, such states may seek to actively prevent the U.S. from developing paradigm-shifting military capabilities derived from UFO technology.

In this unstable geopolitical environment, several plausible scenarios could escalate rapidly into a devasting global conflict.

To complicate matters, key senators appear to suspect that some of America's adversaries have also retrieved highly advanced UFO technology. Three military and intelligence officials, including Grusch, have alleged as much.

If true, the public disclosure of UFO technology by one state could ignite an arms race unparalleled in human history.

Let us assume, then, that a state successfully harnesses advanced UFO technology, enabling it to strike globally with impunity while rendering its adversaries' military capabilities ineffective. That nation would have significant incentives to conduct a devastating "knock-out" attack before its rivals achieve similar breakthroughs. This, in Bostrom's typology of "civilizational vulnerabilities," is the "safe first strike" scenario.

To address the profound risks associated with the emergence of highly destabilizing technologies, Bostrom offers two primary remedies: "Global governance" and "preventive policing."

In the context of our UFO-focused thought experiment, elements of both may be applied to, per Bostrom, "stabilize a vulnerable world."

A "global governance" approach to the unique risks postulated here might see all UFO technology placed under strict multilateral control.

Scientific study and analysis would be conducted by multinational teams of experts. These teams would be compartmented and isolated from one another to prevent any one individual or team from gaining sufficient knowledge to wield the technology for nefarious or self-interested purposes.

Drawing on Bostrom's "preventive policing" remedy, the scientists and experts involved in such a multinational study of UFO technology would also be subject to intrusive surveillance, monitoring and movement restrictions. This serves to mitigate the risk of any "cheating" or state-based espionage.

At the same time, continuous surveillance of the individuals with access to UFO technology might deter those who Bostrom describes as willing to "act in ways that destroy civilization even at high cost to themselves."

For additional assurances and confidence-building measures, a global, multilateral approach may draw inspiration from the Treaty on Open Skies. The on-site inspection regimes that emerged from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty and the International Atomic Energy Agency could also be instructive.

For example, should one state suspect another of surreptitiously studying or exploiting UFO technology outside of the multilateral scientific framework, an aggressive inspections framework, agreed by all participating nations and requiring a majority vote to enforce, could deter "cheating."

Over time, as confidence grows among participating states, these necessarily harsh and intrusive conditions may be relaxed.

To be sure, such an unprecedented level of global cooperation would face significant barriers. But the unique civilizational threat posed by the presence of advanced UFO technology, should it indeed exist, may serve as a robust incentive to pursue the "global governance" envisaged by Bostrom.

Forerunner · Jan 19, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/sciam/status/1748376587257500074

As director of the Department of Defense's All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), charged by Congress in 2022 to help bring science-based clarity and resolution to the long-standing mystery surrounding credible observations of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP), also known as UFOs, I experienced this erosion up close and personal. And it was one factor in my decision to step down from my position last December. After painstakingly assembling a team of highly talented and motivated personnel and working with them to develop a rational, systematic and science-based strategy to investigate these phenomena, our efforts were ultimately overwhelmed by sensational but unsupported claims that ignored contradictory evidence yet captured the attention of policy makers and the public, driving legislative battles and dominating the public narrative.

The result of this whirlwind of tall tales, fabrication and secondhand or thirdhand retellings of the same, was a social media frenzy and a significant amount of congressional and executive time and energy spent on investigating these so-called claims—as if we didn't have anything better to do.

During a full-scale, year-long investigation of this story (which has been told and retold by a small group of interconnected believers and others with possibly less than honest intentions—none of whom have firsthand accounts of any of this), AARO discovered a few things, and none were about aliens.

First, no record exists of any president or living DOD or intelligence community leader knowing about this alleged program, nor any congressional committee having such knowledge. This should speak volumes if this case were following typical procedure because it is inconceivable that a program of such import would not ever have been briefed to the 50 to 100 people at the top of the USG over the decades of its existence.

Second, this narrative has been simmering for years and is largely an outgrowth of a former program at the DOD's Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), which was heavily influenced by a group of individuals associated with businessman and longtime ufologist Robert Bigelow, founder of Bigelow Aerospace. In 2009 then senator Harry Reid asked the secretary of defense (SECDEF) to set up a SAP (special access program) to protect the alleged UAP/UFO material that AATIP proponents believed the USG was hiding. The SECDEF declined to do so after a review by the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (OUSDI), and DIA concluded that not only did no such material exist, but taxpayer money was being inappropriately spent on paranormal research at Skinwalker Ranch in Utah. This is well documented in open sources, particularly in records available on DIA's electronic FOIA Reading Room. After the negative response by SECDEF, Senator Reid then enlisted the help of then senator Joseph Lieberman to request that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) set up an SAP for the same purpose. The administrative SAP proposal package was informed by the same individuals who had been associated with AATIP. AARO's archival research has located the administrative proposal for the DHS SAP, complete with the participants, which has been declassified and is being reviewed for public release.

Finally, the key purveyors of this narrative have known one another for decades. In the early 2000s several members of this small group also participated in a study, erroneously characterized (by the same participants) as having been sponsored by the White House, on the possible societal impact of disclosing the existence of extraterrestrials to the public, with the authenticity of the abovementioned concealed government program taken as its baseline assumption. The think tank in question was a "futures" enterprise that often worked on fringe studies, and many of the individuals involved with the study also worked for Bigelow Aerospace in support of the AATIP program.

The operational mission Congress has assigned AARO is important. Accumulating observations by highly trained U.S. military and other credible personnel of unidentified anomalous phenomena at or near sensitive national security areas and activities calls for a serious effort to understand what's going on. Simply put, "unidentified" is unacceptable, particularly in these times of heightened geopolitical tension. Part of the problem we face today, however, is that the modern media cycle drives stories faster than sound research, science and peer review time lines can validate them. More worrisome is the willingness of some to make judgments and take actions on these stories without having seen or even requested supporting evidence, an omission that is all the more problematic when the claims are so extraordinary. Some members of Congress prefer to opine about aliens to the press rather than get an evidence-based briefing on the matter. Members have a responsibility to exhibit critical thinking skills instead of seeking the spotlight. As of the time of my departure, none, let me repeat, none of the conspiracy-minded "whistleblowers" in the public eye had elected to come to AARO to provide their "evidence" and statement for the record despite numerous invitations. Anyone that would rather be sensationalist in the public eye than bring their evidence to the one organization established in law with all of the legal process and security framework established to protect them, their privacy, and the information and to investigate and report out findings is suspect.

I can assure you as its former director that AARO is unwaveringly committed to harnessing science and technology to bring unprecedented clarity to these fascinating, important, and stubborn mysteries and to do so with maximum transparency. Its talented staff and team of supporting scientists are at this very moment striving in collaboration with the armed forces, intelligence community, government agencies, national laboratories, scientific community, academic community—and soon the general public—to collect and analyze hard, measurable data—i.e., extraordinary evidence—in this heretofore eyewitness-rich but data-poor field. The AARO team will go wherever the data takes it, without fail, and will not be swayed by any attempts to influence its findings otherwise. Science cannot be left on the side of the road in the mad dash to uncover some great conspiracy. Carl Sagan would expect no less, and neither should the American people.

ber · Jan 19, 2024

The grift that keeps on giving.

zooj · Jan 19, 2024

Forerunner said:
View: https://twitter.com/sciam/status/1748376587257500074

Honestly, even if it's all fake as shit and just a way for a few grifters to make some bucks off of the gullible, it's still shining a light on a part of the government and private sector that has operated with impunity and shady as fuck for decades and if any level of increased accountability comes out of that, I consider that a win for the ~~US taxpayer~~ fucking everyone honestly

Forerunner · Jan 22, 2024

The Truth Is Out There, on an App

A NASA report recommended crowdsourcing possible U.F.O. sightings. The founder of Enigma Labs explains how they’re already sorting and rating them according to plausibility.

www.newyorker.com

Are aliens among us? Last September, nasa released its Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Independent Study Team Report. ("U.A.P." is just a rebranding of "U.F.O.," without the flying-saucer baggage.) The study team recommended that nasa collect and analyze more types of data in more types of ways than ever before. The agency has long had satellites and supercomputers at its disposal; the report said that it should also branch out into smartphone apps, for crowdsourcing sightings. The creator of one such app, Enigma Labs, was not named in the report, but its authors have met with the company.

Citizens report U.A.P. sightings on the Enigma app and can also view reports clustered by location. An augmented-reality lens lets users point a phone upward, and then displays and I.D.s planes, satellites, and other mundane objects. A, who is tall and thin, said, "It's Shazam for what's in the skies." There's also a camera feature that records uncompressed video and embeds metadata, such as filming location and angle, for later description and verification of phenomena.

As opposed to Martian hunters who fixate on little green men, A said, "we see ourselves as a quite clean break from the past, and just approaching it as a Silicon Valley startup would approach any problem." Enigma is in talks with government agencies about combining its reports with radar and satellite data. She went on, "The holy grail is to have the low-side civilians and the high-side eyes on the same thing."

"Well, the congressmen know us pretty well," A said. "I've met with a lot of them, and they love us. "

Employees keep their levels of belief to themselves. A isn't interested in trying to explain stubborn U.A.P. cases; she's happy to entertain the possibility of ancient aliens, future humans, advanced fighters, billionaires' antigravity toys, multidimensional projections, or humdrum drones. "U.A.P. is a new field," she said. "It can't be a category until you have data to work with. We're doing the picks and shovels of that. And hopefully we'll empower a lot of people to come up with their own theories. We'll leave that to the Nobel Prize winners."

JetmanJay · Jan 22, 2024

Super fuckin cool …. As long as the data gleaned from it is going to the right people. Aka the public.

HStallion · Jan 22, 2024

Forerunner said:
View: https://twitter.com/sciam/status/1748376587257500074

Not really all that surprising. Seeing a lot of the politicians pushing the latest round of UAP stuff didn't exactly instill confidence.

coldcrush · Jan 23, 2024

Wait people are giving Kirkpatrick the time of day? LOL
The fact that he left AARO and went to a cushy job in one of the very companies that are accused of being a part of the coverup should be telling.
His rants on Linked in, deliberate manipulation of semantics or downright changing his story make me incredibly dubious of anything he says.
In the 2023 Ufo hearing he says over 20 witnesses have come forwards to him, but then in the scientific American article says that none of the whistleblowers had come to Aaro to provide data. Its a very clear contradiction.
It is also a very blatant misrepresentation of Grush who has testified under oath (Unlike Kirkpatrick). He provided 40 peoples names and testimony to the IG that found his complaint to be credible and urgent. Then ontop of that all the members of Congress who were present in the IG's scif, the one consistent message was that Grush is legitimate.
While it is pure speculation on my part I would love Grushes op ed to focus on more of the details that he discussed during the private meeting in Manhattan where he went into more details about his role tracking objects

Forerunner · Jan 24, 2024

'No evidence of aliens:' U.S.'s former top UFO hunter opens up in podcast interview

Sean Kirkpatrick, who led the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office to investigate UFOs, appeared in a new episode of "In the Room with Peter Bergen."

www.usatoday.com

Kirkpatrick, who has since decided to leave his post as AARO's director, recounted his experience leading the office in an appearance on the Audible podcast, "In the Room with Peter Bergen." Here are the key takeaways from Kirkpatrick's interview with Bergen, a journalist and national security analyst for CNN.

In his estimate, about 2-5% of all the reports AARO investigated are truly anomalous, meaning they defy a simple natural explanation without further investigation, Kirkpatrick told Bergen.

"Most of the time when we can't give an explanation, it is because there is a lack of data," Kirkpatrick said in the interview.

But Kirkpatrick chalks all the UFO hoopla up to a top secret government program not to reverse-engineer alien ships, but to manufacture high-altitude metallic spy balloons. In his estimation, recovery operations to retrieve those downed balloons, as well as a very real, very fatal military plane crash at the time, combined to perpetuate the UFO myth.

"Everybody's still raw from the war, and there's lots of technological issues that people are trying to wrap their minds around," Kirkpatrick said. "And that affected a lot of what people saw and how they reported. I think the same thing is true today."

At one point in the interview, Bergen cut straight to the chase, inviting Kirkpatrick "if you found evidence of extraterrestrials, to exclusively tell us on this podcast."

But no dice.

"The best thing that could have happened in this job is I found the aliens and I could have rolled them out, but there's none," Kirkpatrick replied. "There is no evidence of aliens and there's no evidence of the government conspiracy."

Rather, Kirkpatrick contended that the objects many witnesses mistake for extraterrestrial UFOs are actually new classified technology being tested in our skies, or even aircraft from rival nations being used to spy on the U.S. Remember the Chinese spy balloon episode?

"What is more likely? That an adversary has come up with a new technology," Kirkpatrick asked, "or we have extraterrestrials?"

Kirkpatrick took a swipe at Grusch in the interview, labeling him as being among a small group individuals within the military apparatus who have become "true believers" determined to involved the government in investigating aliens.

"This core group of people have influenced him, have told him this information," Kirkpatrick said. "He may have misinterpreted things that people have said, or he may have just fallen to the influence of what these folks have been telling him."

"The office's mission is not to prove the existence of extraterrestrials," Kirkpatrick reminded Bergen. "The office's mission is to minimize technical and intelligence surprise."

JetmanJay · Jan 24, 2024

Misinterpretation by Grusch? Cool - just declassify every place, name, and bit of info he's revealing (or can't reveal) in these SCIF's and let's take a look. Could put this whole argument to bed immediately.

Bergen should have asked Kirkpatrick who he's being employed by currently.

Forerunner · Jan 24, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/ChrisKMellon/status/1750294265597428216

I was astonished by one of the central claims made by Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick in his recent article in Scientific American blasting UAP 'conspiracists.' Specifically, his claim that: "As of the time of my departure, none, let me repeat, none of the conspiracy-minded 'whistleblowers' in the public eye had elected to come to AARO to provide their 'evidence' and statement for the record despite numerous invitations."

I'm baffled because, in an effort to assist his investigation, I introduced Dr. Kirkpatrick to the former Director of the AATIP program, Lue Elizondo, as well as Dr. Eric Davis and Dr. Hal Putoff. Each of these prominent voices associated with the AATIP program spent hours briefing Dr. Kirkpatrick in a classified setting. None have received any feedback. Hopefully, the pending report to Congress on the alleged UAP recovery program will describe the specific claims made by these and dozens of other witnesses and what AARO did to evaluate them.

Forerunner · Jan 24, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/LueElizondo/status/1750302328572272945

Many, let me repeat, MANY people who I know personally have spoken to AARO and provided detailed information to Kirkpatrick and his office for the record. If AARO isn't willing to tell the truth to Congress...we are!

Forerunner · Jan 25, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/DoD_IG/status/1750597867461394860

Inspector General Robert P. Storch announced today that the DoD OIG released an unclassified summary of the previously issued classified report, "Evaluation of the DoD's Actions Regarding Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena." The report reviewed the extent to which the DoD, Military Services, Defense agencies, and Military Department Counterintelligence Organizations took intelligence, counterintelligence, and force protection actions to detect, report, collect, analyze, and identify unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP).

A full version of the classified report was issued on August 15, 2023. IG Storch stated,

"Given the significant public interest in how the DoD is addressing UAPs, we are releasing this unclassified summary to be as transparent as possible with the American people about our oversight work on this important issue."

As the unclassified summary explains, the DoD OIG found that the DoD does not have a comprehensive, coordinated approach to address UAP. For example, the DoD OIG determined that DoD Components developed varying processes to collect, analyze, and identify UAP incidents.

The DoD OIG also found that the DoD's lack of a comprehensive, coordinated approach to address UAP may pose a threat to military forces and national security. For instance, the DoD OIG determined that the DoD has no overarching UAP policy and, as a result, it lacks assurance that national security and flight safety threats to the United States from UAP have been identified and mitigated.

To address the issues identified in this report, the DoD OIG made 11 recommendations to the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security, in coordination with the Director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office; the Secretaries of the Army, Navy, and Air Force; and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. For example, the DoD OIG recommended that the DoD issue a policy to integrate roles, responsibilities, requirements, and coordination procedures regarding UAP into existing intelligence, counterintelligence, and force protection policies and procedures.

Pentagon watchdog says "uncoordinated" approach to UAPs, or UFOs, could endanger national security

The Defense Department's inspector general said the Pentagon lacks a comprehensive strategy to address unidentified aerial phenomena.

www.cbsnews.com

‘Uncoordinated’: Internal watchdog raps Pentagon’s UFO tracking effort

“The DoD has no overarching UAP policy,” a report says.

www.politico.com

Forerunner · Jan 25, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/AskaPol_UAPs/status/1750649543488675881

"I've asked them who it is, and they didn't know," Gillibrand told Ask a Pol of AARO staffers.

"Really?" we asked.

"Yeah," Gillibrand replied.

"Because they named someone initially."

"The staff didn't know who it was," Gillibrand said.

When Ask a Pol inquired about her desire to meet with UFO whistleblower David Grusch, Gillibrand told us the ball is in his lawyer's court.

"It's Grusch's lawyer who seems to be making the decision, so I would talk to his lawyer," Gillibrand said.

falcondoc · Jan 25, 2024

Whoa I just rediscovered this thread - I thought it got nuked this summer lol.

Have been following recent developments with great interest.

Forerunner · Jan 26, 2024

CNN Oped: The actual hidden truth about UFOs

In the most extensive media interview he's given, Kirkpatrick laid out a convincing case that the stories swirling for decades about the alleged government cover-up of alien-related UFOs may well have been fueled largely by true believers inside the US government or with close ties to it.

Although Kirkpatrick concedes that for those who truly believe that there are alien visitations here on Earth, little will convince them otherwise: "There is absolutely nothing that I'm going to do, say, or produce evidentiary that is going to make the true believers convert … It is a religious belief that transcends critical thinking and rational thought."

mrbogus · Jan 26, 2024

Speaking of Kirkpatrick...

View: https://twitter.com/wow36932525/status/1723850081223233679

If you've ever heard of the incident where a UFO shot down an ICBM test, Jacobs is the witness for that event.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHkj0lziuw

zooj · Jan 26, 2024

Forerunner said:
CNN Oped: The actual hidden truth about UFOs

Kirkpatrick can fuck off into the sun. He's done absolutely nothing but muddle the conversation and then fuck off to some cushy secret DoE project far from the watchful eye of FOIA requests

Zaro · Jan 26, 2024

mrbogus said:
Speaking of Kirkpatrick...

View: https://twitter.com/wow36932525/status/1723850081223233679

If you've ever heard of the incident where a UFO shot down an ICBM test, Jacobs is the witness for that event.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHkj0lziuw

I don't know if it's true but it seems the video is an "Animated Simulation" created for the documentary "Out of the Blue".

Edit: Forget it, you talk about the event not the video :)

UAP/UFO |OT|

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

One Winged Slayer

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist

Resetufologist