ZhugeEX: "PS5 shipped 4.5m consoles in last quarter; almost 5x more than Xbox Series X|S according to our estimates"
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Everyone is down, Xbox significantly so, but I'm sure none of it is related right?
I think there's more to this trend that just Xbox collapsing, but I don't have all the pieces yet. This does help explain why others are influencing Xbox decisions at Microsoft. The continued lack of results is becoming critical.
Everyone is down, Xbox significantly so, but I'm sure none of it is related right?
I don't understand the worry over this when consoles overall are a stagnant area of growth in players. Even if all Xbox gamers shift to PlayStation next gen it's still proven to be a limited audience.
In other words, PlayStation still will have to be competitive with their console, while also finding ways to reach players increasingly preferring playing on PC and mobile.
Wow, that is insane. I'm guessing the game pass subs are higher on PC?
Wow, that is insane. I'm guessing the game pass subs are higher on PC?
Just because a thing was a certain way in the past doesn't mean everyone wants it back.
You are vastly underestimating the cost of marketing in the spaces you're talking about. To put things into perspective, a movie with a $300 million dollar budget allocates over $150 million dollars for marketing budget alone. For ONE movie. Over a limited window of 2 months or less.
What you're talking about would involve hundreds of millions beyond that, especially to sustain year-round.
And Nintendo/Sony don't even market the way you're saying Xbox needs to, but they're still completely lapping MS.
Microsoft execs will absolutely never sign off on nearly billion dollar annual marketing extravaganzas while already being so deep in the hole with hardware and acquisitions at this point. The reality is they have begun the process of transitioning to third party with games like Hi Fi Rush and Sea of Thieves because the quickest path to profit recovery is reaching the biggest player base possible with their wealth of best performing IPs.
No one said they wanted it back. Games have always been expensive and different editions of games are already in the $100 range.
It's just crazy to me that people see this news and automatically go "hope you like $700 PS6 consoles and $100 games"
Were people supposed to keep equally buying two consoles that share 98% of the games, have the same hardware, but one has no exclusive games and fewer, less appealing first party software?
It was a miracle that modern Xbox and Playstation could co-exist for so much time.
It was a miracle that modern Xbox and Playstation could co-exist for so much time.
Maybe Playstation and Xbox are just staying the same.
Playstation 5 is basically the same as PS4, maybe Xbox Series is also basically the same as Xbox one.
Of course this still might be kinda good for Playstation, but kinda bad for Xbox.
For the long run both things are in no way perfect.
Because their hardware itself isn't the problem. Xbox is a great system, the problem lies elsewhere.
I think the only actual direct competition is PC. I think the lines between mobile and console/PC gaming is blurring but will take some more years to actually meld and Nintendo has created its own submarket which was the entire point in the first place. Carving out your own niche is done expressively so that you can make your own rules and you don't have to compete as directly and that's exactly what will happen here. The product segments are becoming too bespoke. I believe Sony will try and push their PC presence even more and eventually try another handheld . These don't overlap as much as we think they do. just because it's all technically "gaming"
Is this a straight up joke?
10$ game price increase- the publishers wanted this and MS did the exact same thing once they actually had a next gen game to sell, so not a Sony thing
PS plus price increase- MS upped the price of their services more than Sony until they tried to get game pass widely adopted with unsustainable pricing
Console price increase 2 years into the gen- So did MS even while their system sold like shit compared to Sony
Halo infinite is supposed to last 10 years! So 7 more years to keep people entertained and sell systems, yay.
So people think they are going to stay in hardware even though the rest of the business is going wrong. I don't think anyone thinks that.
Yes, millions of people are going to buy a $500 console to have the ability to pay $17 a month to play a $70 game
Yep, I and I like Phil. But as I stated in another thread, I bet Phil is done as the head of Xbox by Christmas of 2025. I mean, the output of Xbox Studios when he was in charge was awful. Now the performance of the Xbox Console with him in charge of Xbox, not great. He will be known for GamePass, a positive face and messages during adversity, and spending billions on acquisitions.
I feel the long con of all this was Nintendo managing to actually convince everyone that it is in their own lane. And I don't think people realize how brilliant it truly is (and funny)
dont worry he is already the head of "microsoft gaming". dude cant lose
totally expect him to somehow fall his way to satya's post before the decade is over. its an incredible journey to watch.
So maybe 900k sold, which means Series S is probably around 600k with Series X around 300k.The Xbox Series X really is an incredible piece of hardware, and yet no one is buying it.
Microsoft isn't staying in the hardware business for very long if they continue to sell less than 1 million units per quarter. The same people that shut down Tango and Arkane will do the same thing to Xbox hardware.
I'm wondering how much the idiotic naming scheme and carrying over the same controller is affecting sales. Even though the underlying hardware is completely different, the naming scheme and controller kind of make it feel like a spiritual continuation of the Xbox One generation.
Day one PC games don't help. Neither did focusing on Game Pass, xCloud, and subscriptions and services over the past 6 years instead of the Xbox itself.
Microsoft has no one to blame but themselves for this. The poor sales are a direct outcome of their decisions.
Microsoft isn't staying in the hardware business for very long if they continue to sell less than 1 million units per quarter. The same people that shut down Tango and Arkane will do the same thing to Xbox hardware.
I'm wondering how much the idiotic naming scheme and carrying over the same controller is affecting sales. Even though the underlying hardware is completely different, the naming scheme and controller kind of make it feel like a spiritual continuation of the Xbox One generation.
Day one PC games don't help. Neither did focusing on Game Pass, xCloud, and subscriptions and services over the past 6 years instead of the Xbox itself.
Microsoft has no one to blame but themselves for this. The poor sales are a direct outcome of their decisions.
It's not the ship, but the crew.
That being said, I can't imagine anyone who fills their places aren't just Yes Men in the end.
Not almost, but surely, no? 900k would have been 5x, so around 950k I'd say.
I'm just saying they don't have to stop doing hardware. Xbox has sold well in the past and can do it again. I have no idea what their plan is but I hope they stay in console business instead of going exclusively software.
No offence, but I think there's a lot of delusion going on here. We'll see what the future holds but to me, it seems obvious that it's full on third party publisher.
This is a good point.
Sony missed a lofty target, even after revising down.
Why in thee world would they make a $700 PS6?
Thank you, if you had a N64 prices actually went down, lol.Wow, that is insane. I'm guessing the game pass subs are higher on PC?
The damage is done, the only way they could salvage this would be a fire sale and some massive improvements to the ecosystem which they won't do.
If they made Call of Duty exclusive that might do it. But they can't, legally. I wonder if they had been able to get the deal done without contracts if they would have tried that.
Oh yes, it is an incredible journey for sure. He is a physics magician, falling upwards.
I honestly think there's a decent chance making call of duty exclusive would just kill call of duty.
I still don't think they'll get out of hardware any time soon but it does highlight why it will soon become only a secondary or tertiary component of their overall strategy (akin to MS365/Azure/and then Windows/Surface PCs).
You could argue the issues started with him. Someone high up saw it fit to oust the old guard that started the 360 generation, putting Don in charge who turned attention to Kinect, Movies & TV and the NFL deal.
COD entries on Xbox sell 5 million at worst and up to 10 million at best, there's no way GP COD exclusive would have been worth it.
it would certainly cause a backlash roughly 100 times worse than 'helldivers 2 will require a psn account' if they took away warzone from millions of people
Yeah it would make CoD very weak cutting off a big section of your consumer base. That was never on the cards unless you want to cause suicide to your brand. The reason to CoDs success it that it's on everything the players are. People moaning that FF isn't multiplatform and the reason for it not building its market share yet here we are people hoping CoD could somehow avoid it.
Well misery for Xbox. Sony kinda needs this more and certainly to compete against Nintendo
That argument makes way less sense for final fantasy anyway since the ps1 and 2 days were kinda the height of it and it was exclusive
True but he was also able to get us a full launch line up whereas in Phil's case, we got nothing.
Well, yeah, but specifically for all of the infrastructure, teams/studios, and employees under MS that are all currently employed for the intent of keeping a console afloat. I'm terrified for what the divisions are going to look like even 16 months from now.