I certainly hope the royal family of Hyrule is not on some Habsburg shit lol. Imagine what Zelda would look like after multiple millennia of inbreeding.If we want to get down to it, royal bloodlines that stick within the family don't last long (ex. King Charles of Spain). You need, like, actual genetic diversity after a certain point. Zelda lore spans hundreds if not thousands of years, and Hyrule's kingdom has gone through periods of waxing and waning across three timelines.
Oh, that's actually a good point.The Gerudo are portrayed middle eastern/Arabic, but there are absolutely black people from that area and perceived time period (trade between the middle east and Africa is well documented for thousands of years).
Well, you also have to remember that as per Skyward Sword, the royal line has the blood/magic of a God coursing through it. They'll protect her from the effects interdimensional inbreeding and the horror of more natural protection against the sun. =PI certainly hope the royal family of Hyrule is not on some Habsburg shit lol. Imagine what Zelda would look like after multiple millennia of inbreeding.
Believe me, black people in the arab world are considered just as native population as the white one. Be it in the arabic peninsula or north africa.The Gerudo are portrayed middle eastern/Arabic, but there are absolutely black people from that area and perceived time period (trade between the middle east and Africa is well documented for thousands of years).
How exactly would one determine a Latino though? Latinos range from a very wide spectrum of phenotypical features as the are descendant from one or multiple ethnic backgrounds.How in the world am I limiting myself when I said "I will take any black character, whether they are original or race swaps"?
My avatar is of an original black character.
What is even happening???
This too. The characters reincarnate. Let's go hog-wild.
The writer is actually a black woman.Of course the writer has the whitest name ive ever seen.
Us POC dont think that way, we want more of us in games but not just "paint" change...
where I come from, we don't have a problem as the US seems to have (and historicaly had)
Believe me, black people in the arab world are considered just as native population as the white one. Be it in the arabic peninsula or north africa.
You would have to ask Latino members for the specifics. My post was a show of solidarity. A series of games where the Zelda formula is applied in different cultures would be swell.How exactly would one determine a Latino though? Latinos range from a very wide spectrum of phenotypical features as the are descendant from one or multiple ethnic backgrounds.
Of course the writer has the whitest name ive ever seen.
Us POC dont think that way, we want more of us in games but not just "paint" change...
Hah true. The funny thing is Ganondorf isn't even that dark, he is still rather light skin and is probably never gonna be as black as me for example.There's colorism already. Lilly-white heroes batting back the omnipotent spectre of a the dark-skinned warlord. But I largely agree with you. I always take what I can get.
what the actually fuck? dont speak for us.. especailly if u gonnaopen up with that stupidityOf course the writer has the whitest name ive ever seen.
Us POC dont think that way, we want more of us in games but not just "paint" change...
Zelda was a brown pirate at one point then just turned white in the same game when she became a princess.
I would too. I think approaching things from that angle would lead to better writing of too; a more diverse Zelda world will naturally have better representation throughout its entire cast rather than this top down approach to discussion of deciding to change the lead characters and then coming up with post hoc lore justifications for it.Honestly I'd love to see a game based on the Gerudo tribe. Make Hyrule a much bigger world than just Link, Zelda, and Ganon.
I actually mentioned this in the OP.I am going this you don't want nintendo to do this because they already did once and well
may i remind you they literally whitewashed her in the same game
I've noticed this a lot lately and especially here. It's always black vs white and never Asian, Latino, brown, or American Indian.I find it a bit weird that the piece seemingly omits other races and just jumps from "everyone is white" to "black women in America" as if there's not many other skin tones, races, etc that could also be represented.
I think the most logical next step for Zelda would be to tackle the Gerudo issue with more nuance than "the brown sand people that Ganondorf came from".
AFAIK, these dudes were said to be "close to the Gods" according to Twilight Princess lore or somethingWell, you also have to remember that as per Skyward Sword, the royal line has the blood/magic of a God coursing through it. They'll protect her from the effects interdimensional inbreeding and the horror of more natural protection against the sun. =P
Aren't black people worth more investment than just taking "Popular Thing" and painting it black?
Let's go the whole hog and say why not Black Mario and Black Gordon Freeman?
Oooooor we take time and consider how to make some compelling stories with existing/new black characters.
I'm black and I just think no. This is not how diversity should be handled.
Stop with the painting existing characters to a different colour. That's not how it should be.
Black panther is the prime example of how it should be done a character with his own lore and origin not a recolouring of existing characters.
I definitely don't agree with this thread at all.
Of course the writer has the whitest name ive ever seen.
Us POC dont think that way, we want more of us in games but not just "paint" change...
then you know how problematic this could turn out, we could get another tetra, a character who is POC literally whitewashed when she needs to be zelda
What are those things? Certainly not Zelda creations in a game called Twilight Princess WHICH I DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE EXISTENCE OF.AFAIK, these dudes were said to be "close to the Gods" according to Twilight Princess lore or something
Just sayin'
Godly relations do not protect one from uh, that, it seems.
I'm black and I just think no. This is not how diversity should be handled.
Stop with the painting existing characters to a different colour. That's not how it should be.
Black panther is the prime example of how it should be done a character with his own lore and origin not a recolouring of existing characters.
I definitely don't agree with this thread at all.
Oh I'm well aware, & obviously we should expect Nintendo to not repeat the mistakes of the past.then you know how problematic this could turn out, we could get another tetra, a character who is POC literally whitewashed when she needs to be zelda
That won't happen, I can bet a Tetra thing won't happen again like that.then you know how problematic this could turn out, we could get another tetra, a character who is POC literally whitewashed when she needs to be zelda
She likely won't be the victim in BotW2 from what we've seen.Zelda's almost always a victim. A more diverse Link would be preferable anyway. I'd still prefer it to be a brand new heroic character.
You can (and should, based on science) extend a royal bloodline by just marrying someone outside of the immediate family. All it takes is for one Zelda across thousands of years of three timelines to just pick a brother, and then would you look at that!This wouldnt make too much sense depending Zeldas are always born into the bloodline of the Royal Family and not Simple Reincarnations.
Tell us how white skin has made sense within the narrative of any Zelda games, and then ask yourself why you're applying that standard unequally to non-white skin.If it makes sense with the narrative of the game, I say go for it.
Absolutely. We actually live in the Mushroom Kingdom and those who told you we have trolls and as*holes on twitter and fb just lied to you.Miss Algeria beauty queen Khadija Ben Hamou hits back at racist abuse
Slurs about Miss Algeria's skin colour, nose and lips were made by users on Facebook and Twitter.www.bbc.com
Suuuure, Algeria is magically exempt from racism
You don't really have it make sense within the overarching narrative beyond "One of this Zelda's parents is black".If it makes sense with the narrative of the game, I say go for it.
I wish this was the case but you don't know how these creative get to their decision making and how they are gonna alter their work as long as they give us one token black charachters. That's why I get wary of that approach because we often end with Star Wars/Finn Situation where on paper we got what we wanted....but still got screwed.
It's good for the overall representation but once you read between the lines or take a deeper look things don't add up no more.
But you are right that I shouldn't have assumed that is the only approach the author was going to support, it's just one many things.
this is nintendo and they technically did it twice alreadyOh I'm well aware, & obviously we should expect Nintendo to not repeat the mistakes of the past.
it did happen again, just not in zeldaThat won't happen, I can bet a Tetra thing won't happen again like that.
especially since I feel Zelda will be Zelda in the beginning and not some other identity.
Because it's the biggest contrast we have ...usually when Black People get something done other minorities somehow benefit from it sooner or later. If you can sell a white audience on a black representation they are more likely to accept other minorities as well.I've noticed this a lot lately and especially here. It's always black vs white and never Asian, Latino, brown, or American Indian.
I'm talking Zelda team.this is nintendo and they technically did it twice already
they can do it a third or forth time
it did happen again
monolithsoft is a part of the new zelda team since skyward sword
Granted, that was MonolithSoft. But they also help out with Zelda, so I get the concern.this is nintendo and they technically did it twice already
they can do it a third or forth time
it did happen again, just not in zelda
Nah it's 2021. Most of us demand good representation not just representation.Read what between the lines? In the case of Zelda or general fantasy things diversity for diversities sake isas long as a creator takes account of what happens when you change a characters race. I.E. it's probably not a good idea to have a fantasy setting with your slave being portrayed by a black person (this isn't the best example but it's one of them).
Finn is what happens when you do not think through a blind casting. If Finn were a white man as he were likely originally envisioned his portrayal and role in the movie would be less controversial.
Frankly the concept of having to make sure a black character fits rings to me of making constant excuses to exclude black folks from things.
But in all fairness, this is not really a paint change. I highlighted it in an earlier post (#157) that Zelda itself can't really be a result of paint change since the game established that the lore of the series is really fluid and dynamic. She reincarnates and that is the most definitive aspect of her, she ends up always being Zelda, the reincarnation of Goddess Hylia.Of course the writer has the whitest name ive ever seen.
Us POC dont think that way, we want more of us in games but not just "paint" change...