I think the idea is she's been going around the world gathering teammates.Did Japan even participate in the Crimean war??????? It started before the country even opened up I think??
Probably not, killings not the issue people clearly have actually reading the thread, though how often she does seems to be up for debate, it's the proud posing with several decapitated heads of some regular ass dudes, which is significantly less in character.She's also gonna be cutting the head off Steppenwolf in the Snyder Cut. Will people flip out when they see that as well?
An Ayn Rand stan adapting Evangelion is exactly the trainwreck I want to see.
That's exactly my point though. These movies are meant to appeal to teens and young adults alike and instead we got this pg-13 movie trying it's hardest to be Rated without justifying it with substance. In fact, the movie seems almost ashamed to be witty, light hearted, and serious at the same time. Look at the OG WW, it wasn't afraid to be campy, fun, while being serious at the same time. Zach Snyder seems to miss that balance completely. Everything from the color palette of the movie, to the delivery of all the lines, even the length of the movie itself. It's all about excess , no orestraint. Let's kill superman and bring him back in the very next movie, really ? Lol. Let's make a 3 hour JL movie. Really ? I could go on but I think you get the point.Batman vs Superman definitely didn't seem like a kids/teenage movie. Whether it should have been is another question.
No? That photo was a TEMP photo used for BvS before they had the story for WW done. Zack helped write the first WW movie with Patty and Allan Heinberg.
gotta reclaim this photo so people don't find out i was beheading dudes
do you realize that Wingfan19 is literally quoting Patty Jenkins posting to rebut that article
To get more people into BDSM?
do you realize that Wingfan19 is literally quoting Patty Jenkins posting to rebut that article
Made movies that some people didn't like cause they weren't the standard definition of the heroes. He tried to do something a little different, it didn't work with the general audience and that's it. Yet he's constantly attacked and mocked. It really is disgusting at times.Context, but that will likely won't matter. Didn't realize people hated Snyder THAT much... Holy shit what did the guy do ?
you said that Patty Jenkins had to wrestle creative control away from Zack Snyder specifically, Patty Jenkins is straight up saying that isn't true and that Snyder supported herIt's a literal quote from her during a podcast interview with Marc Maron. So yes, she is the reason we don't have a Wonder Woman from the image that started this thread.
People defending this keep dodging the obvious prevailing point which is not whether or not she killed/decapitated people. I get it though, its much easier to argue if you just boil it down to the mere question of killing.Made movies that some people didn't like cause they weren't the standard definition of the heroes. He tried to do something a little different, it didn't work with the general audience and that's it. Yet he's constantly attacked and mocked. It really is disgusting at times.
Wonder how everyone would react if it was Thor in that picture? He chopped off Thanos' head too.
Context, but that will likely won't matter. Didn't realize people hated Snyder THAT much... Holy shit what did the guy do ?
Despite the good they have done raising money for a worthy cause, it's hard to ignore the toxic side of this fandom, which has targeted and harassed critics who have dared even tweet criticisms about Snyder's work. I have been told to kill myself on countless occasions by Twitter accounts with either Superman or Batman logos. When fandom becomes identity, every negative review seems like a personal attack.
In not only giving over to these fans, but using their language—#ReleaseTheSnyderCut–in its official announcement, HBO Max has given legitimacy to all actions of this fandom. Not very heroic of them.
While these DC fans are passionate, the toxicity is starting to drive prominent industry members away from interacting with them. Though Nelson has since left her post at DC Entertainment and Warner Bros., fans still decided to bombard her with harassment. For fans working toward a specific cause, harassment is not a great way to achieve a goal.
Over the weekend, I received a DM from a stranger who wanted to let me know I was a nasty bully waste of space because I disliked the DCEU and the works of Zack Snyder. The troll in question was otherwise oddly polite, introducing himself by name and insisting his words were not offensive before he launched into his screed. This is nothing new for me, sadly, and certainly not from ardent fans of Snyder and the DCEU. Indeed, for a decent period of time, if you googled my name, one of the first image results was a screenshot of a sarcastic tweet I'd made about Snyder. It was being used as proof of my nefarious scheming against DC and further evidence of an industry-wide agenda to critically maul DC films and keep Marvel at the top. In a business where conspiracies breed with unnerving speed, this particular one may be the most baffling on a personal level.
Yet it's indicative of a mindset many of us have faced from large corners of the DC fandom, especially those who are avid fans of director Zack Snyder.
What if those heads belonged to terrible warlords? I really don't have an issue with a character like Wonder Woman (an Amazon warrior princess) posing with heads of the terrible people she killed defending innocents in the 1800's. People did a lot of fucked up stuff back then.People defending this keep dodging the obvious prevailing point which is not whether or not she killed/decapitated people. I get it though, its much easier to argue if you just boil it down to the mere question of killing.
The point is she's carrying around the heads back at their camp as if she relishes slaying mortals. As if she, a god, takes pride and satisfaction in killing one side of this mortal conflict she has inserted herself into. If she is getting involved in these wars just for the sake of finding Ares, what is going on here? Does she represent an international team of people who just really fucking hate 19th century Russia?
So yes, if there was a picture of Thor in the actual context we are actually dealing with here, yes I would find it weird misstep blindly done in the name of making something "badass" and would be glad the person didn't get control of the Thor franchise. This picture is not some huge affront to my feelings on WW, it is simply another entry in the pattern of Snyder being tone-deaf and edgy in a very dated way (Everything about his sensibilities just reminds me so much of what was considered cool in the early 2000s)
More in line with the comic book WW. Well, at least the badass warrior part.I remember reading about this, that would've been a much more interesting setting.
Thor? You mean when we are 20 films into a series after the protagonists have suffered the worst possible loss they could imagine after their own failure? In a scene that isn't portrayed or framed as heroic or even resembling a fight, but a savage takedown against a villain who reveals their efforts for recompense amount to complete and utter futility? A scene where Captain America is literally wearing the costume that represents his time stripped of his color and moral idealism? And then is followed by revealing they wallowed in that guilt and helplessness for five years?Made movies that some people didn't like cause they weren't the standard definition of the heroes. He tried to do something a little different, it didn't work with the general audience and that's it. Yet he's constantly attacked and mocked. It really is disgusting at times.
Wonder how everyone would react if it was Thor in that picture? He chopped off Thanos' head too.
I shouldn't have put in the Thanos part as it's going to be a 1 to 1 comparison when Diana chops off Steppenwolf's head in JL. Focus on the picture. If that was Thor in that picture, what would the reaction be? My guess is that no one would care. It'd be like, "Cool... anyway when's Black Widow coming out?"Thor? You mean when we are 20 films into a series after the protagonists have suffered the worst possible loss they could imagine after their own failure? In a scene that isn't portrayed or framed as heroic or even resembling a fight, but a savage takedown against a villain who reveals their efforts for recompense amount to complete and utter futility? A scene where Captain America is literally wearing the costume that represents his time stripped of his color and moral idealism? And then is followed by revealing they wallowed in that guilt and helplessness for five years?
I mean sure, I guess people would react differently if it was Thor...
It funny how a Marvel example gets all of the context in the world, but there's a single picture of WW and people run wild.Thor? You mean when we are 20 films into a series after the protagonists have suffered the worst possible loss they could imagine after their own failure? In a scene that isn't portrayed or framed as heroic or even resembling a fight, but a savage takedown against a villain who reveals their efforts for recompense amount to complete and utter futility? A scene where Captain America is literally wearing the costume that represents his time stripped of his color and moral idealism? And then is followed by revealing they wallowed in that guilt and helplessness for five years?
I mean sure, I guess people would react differently if it was Thor...
I really wonder why people even make these threads. Y'all really need to be angry over something so bad?Context, but that will likely won't matter. Didn't realize people hated Snyder THAT much... Holy shit what did the guy do ?
Flashpoint WW kills a bunch of people. She's brutal in that one.That was my first thought. I'm not sure it fits her character, but it's badass nontheless
I can and will dunk on both of them for being bad in completely different ways.After watching WW84, not sure you can dunk on Snyder. The "new direction" is terrible.
Is she holding a bunch of severed heads? Seems like Snyder alright.
She's evil in that one dude. Aquaman is also a mass murdering tyrant and Batman is Thomas Wayne who kills people with guns. That timeline is not supposed to be the way the characters act. The whole point is reality is massively fucked up and wrong.Flashpoint WW kills a bunch of people. She's brutal in that one.
I mean we have the context of Snyder's worldview, his explanation of his own tastes, his work in this series, the Wonder Woman movie we did get instead, and Diana proudly holding severed heads in a shot designed to make her look cool.It funny how a Marvel example gets all of the context in the world, but there's a single picture of WW and people run wild.
I mean in Flashpoint, she's also an antagonist who murders children, decimates Europe, and hangs Steve Trevor from her lasso because it's a timelime where everything went horribly wrong.Flashpoint WW kills a bunch of people. She's brutal in that one.
I mean Thor is a different character, with a different journey. He begins an arrogant violent brute, to a humbled warrior. But Thor isn't built around that same kind of noble intentions beyond his familial entanglements.I shouldn't have put in the Thanos part as it's going to be a 1 to 1 comparison when Diana chops off Steppenwolf's head in JL. Focus on the picture. If that was Thor in that picture, what would the reaction be? My guess is that no one would care. It'd be like, "Cool... anyway when's Black Widow coming out?"
I shouldn't have put in the Thanos part as it's going to be a 1 to 1 comparison when Diana chops off Steppenwolf's head in JL. Focus on the picture. If that was Thor in that picture, what would the reaction be? My guess is that no one would care. It'd be like, "Cool... anyway when's Black Widow coming out?"
Read the comics more, she does this type of thing and tbh it's not anything new for her to do so.I have no problem with ww killing people but i dont think she would pose for a puc with the heads
LOL reading the guy's responses is hilarious he basically fancanon's a bunch of shit and claims that it's explicit in the movie and then all; but implies everyone is an idiot for not seeing it his way... as he continually invents shit.Yeah see I knew you probably wouldn't like that lol. I really wish Patty went with another method to bring him back. Oh, and stuck to continuity. Plus, some of her powers she gained in the film really could have been saved for the third one.
Zack Snyder's Justice League releases in March. It will be insane in terms of content. He kinda filmed 2 films in 2016. His version ended up being 3,5 hours long (the rough cut was 5 hours) and a studio version that was maybe 2,5 hours or shorter. Even the compromised version is markedly different from the Whedon film.Could you please explain this post like I'm 5? What's the context, what's happening in 3 months and how is Zack Snyder involved?
LOL reading the guy's responses is hilarious he basically fancanon's a bunch of shit and claims that it's explicit in the movie and then all; but implies everyone is an idiot for not seeing it his way... as he continually invents shit.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I love that Patty Jenkins decided to give a shut out to an absolute moron. This movie is a fucking disaster, and honestly I don't understand how she fucked it up so bad after the first was a solid film.
Yeah my biggest gripe is how they said fuck continuity. Cause now people have to wonder why she isn't flying in BvS. Why there's no jet. Why more don't know of her. This is what I was afraid of when they announced this was set in the past... again.
Again, I enjoyed watching it but it's no where near as good as the first, apart from the score.
I'm not trying to be dramatic but I'm really ready to move on from the DCEU after TSC. There's too much baggage and way too many course changes.