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Zack Snyder’s Justice League Coming to HBO Max 2021
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Would be very interested in seeing an Ayer cut (dude can put out good work) especially knowing WB had a marketing team put the whole film in a blender.
Just an awesome post, kudos.
@EN1GMA Darkseid, seen as a young man before he became Darkseid in a much longer history lesson that features full dialogue and the present-day + Knightmare self at the height of his power will be in the 2021 film and would have always been in the original release if not for the cinematic version of the DC Implosion.
His actor who did both voice and mo-cap work:
Another outside the box casting decision. He gets my full approval and will be in the Sandman audio drama that is about to come out. DeSaad is also featured. Darkseid is apparently HUGE so expect the N52 design that lead to the rescale. A visual from Darkseid War, a modern classic if you ask me, to show that scale:
Steppenwolf was always the main villain of JLA Part 1. He still is. JLA Part 2 would have had Darkseid as the main bad with the New Gods and their planets fully-featured who would go over into Snyder´s 5th and final DCEU directed film if the vision Snyder and Geoff Johns laid out was followed. That one is fully set on a terraformed earth, aka New Apokolips. That final film was Injustice x Rock of Ages/Final Crisis x Flashpoint (which Johns wrote). Snyder himself confirmed that the breakdown that ends with Jonathan Bruce (Samuel in the comics) Kent being born is real. He gets that name as Batman "dies" fighting Darkseid in film 5. The Knightmare is avered and both the JLA which would have swelled over the series and family man Superman get to ride into the sunset.
Film 2 (BvS) and 4 (JLA 2) are the darkest chapters and there was full room for films around them. Aquaman was the king of Atlantis in JLA 2 for example.
Me being denied Zack Snyder´s Orion is the greatest injustice I ever suffered. If Orion isn´t the most Zack Snyder character than I don´t know who is.
Let´s hope that Ava DuVernay´s destined to be separate New Gods film will finally get off the ground. She and Tom King are now on the 4th draft.
Another comic Snyder fans need to read but this one is quite famous:
Superman: Peace on Earth. A breakdown of these by Paul Dini and Alex Ross. All are good.
Peace on Earth won an Eisner and a few other awards. But no. Snyder doesn´t get or read Superman. No sir.
The World's Greatest Super-Heroes - Wikipedia
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Just an awesome post, kudos.
Awesome post, and it's made me think of commenting here.
I remember when Man of Steel was close to coming out and a couple things that Snyder would always talk about in the press junkets.
1) He didn't want to use kryptonite, because he thought that was a lazy way to show weakness for Superman when there were a lot more "moral" issues that could render him weak without having to rely on a deus ex machina.
2) The Superman story was supposed to be told in 3 parts-- basically reflecting the birth of Superman, the fall/death of Superman, and then the final triumphant rise to the hero we all know him to be.
Then all of a sudden after BvS was announced, all of this talk went away. I have zero evidence to support it, but if you asked me right now I'd absolutely believe that Snyder was railroaded by suits at WB when BvS came out, and when it tanked he was left holding the bag rather than anyone behind the scenes come out and admit that they're the reason he didn't get to tell the story the way he wanted to.
Now, ultimately, he got paid for it and he didn't speak up or anything like that, so I'm not here crying a river for Snyder. All I'm saying it, I'm not immediately writing off the possibility that his cut of JL will really be interesting. Odds are it'll suck, sure. But that's most movies these days, and if it means me subscribing and paying HBO $15 for the chance to see if it'll actually suck? I'm more than willing to take that chance.
Quoting for TRUTH@EN1GMA Darkseid, seen as a young man before he became Darkseid in a much longer history lesson that features full dialogue and the present-day + Knightmare self at the height of his power will be in the 2021 film and would have always been in the original release if not for the cinematic version of the DC Implosion.
His actor who did both voice and mo-cap work:
Another outside the box casting decision. He gets my full approval and will be in the Sandman audio drama that is about to come out. DeSaad is also featured. Darkseid is apparently HUGE so expect the N52 design that lead to the rescale. A visual from Darkseid War, a modern classic if you ask me, to show that scale:
Steppenwolf was always the main villain of JLA Part 1. He still is. JLA Part 2 would have had Darkseid as the main bad with the New Gods and their planets fully-featured who would go over into Snyder´s 5th and final DCEU directed film if the vision Snyder and Geoff Johns laid out was followed. That one is fully set on a terraformed earth, aka New Apokolips. That final film was Injustice x Rock of Ages/Final Crisis x Flashpoint (which Johns wrote). Snyder himself confirmed that the breakdown that ends with Jonathan Bruce (Samuel in the comics) Kent being born is real. He gets that name as Batman "dies" fighting Darkseid in film 5. The Knightmare is avered and both the JLA which would have swelled over the series and family man Superman get to ride into the sunset.
Film 2 (BvS) and 4 (JLA 2) are the darkest chapters and there was full room for films around them. Aquaman was the king of Atlantis in JLA 2 for example.
Me being denied Zack Snyder´s Orion is the greatest injustice I ever suffered. If Orion isn´t the most Zack Snyder character than I don´t know who is.
Let´s hope that Ava DuVernay´s destined to be separate New Gods film will finally get off the ground. She and Tom King are now on the 4th draft.
Another comic Snyder fans need to read but this one is quite famous:
Superman: Peace on Earth. A breakdown of these by Paul Dini and Alex Ross. All are good.
Peace on Earth won an Eisner and a few other awards. But no. Snyder doesn´t get or read Superman. No sir.The World's Greatest Super-Heroes - Wikipedia
Lifting iconography from a completely unrelated story doesn't mean you "get" a character, it just means that you care more about imagery than what those images mean as a part of the greater story; even the Wikipedia entry you linked to features a plot description that has nothing to do with the plot of Batman V. Superman:@EN1GMA Another comic Snyder fans need to read but this one is quite famous:
Superman: Peace on Earth. A breakdown of these by Paul Dini and Alex Ross. All are good.
Peace on Earth won an Eisner and a few other awards. But no. Snyder doesn´t get or read Superman. No sir.The World's Greatest Super-Heroes - Wikipedia
The visuals they lift from Peace on Earth have nothing to do with the story that BS is trying to tell, same as the quotes they lift from The Dark Knight/Strikes Again.
Yeah, Snyder just copies the visuals, but does not understand what they meant in their own context.
Not even the most crazy DC fans care about that garbo ass movie.
WB is probably going...Wait till Suicide Squad 2 is out, everyone will forget about....that.....and point at the joker.
I'd like to see as much of joker as possible in a re cut suicide squad, the whole movie could have been about joker especially if Warner brothers didn't want the darkseid parademons storyline.
I still believe jared leto could have done a good job if given a better chance. I just wished they'd gone with the Jason Todd idea as I now like to think joaquin phoenix turns into a psycho joker and tortures Todd into becoming the 2nd of 3 jokers.
I still believe jared leto could have done a good job if given a better chance. I just wished they'd gone with the Jason Todd idea as I now like to think joaquin phoenix turns into a psycho joker and tortures Todd into becoming the 2nd of 3 jokers.
As much as I love the DCEU, I have zero interest in seeing anything else from Suicide Squad. There's nothing that can redeem Leto's Joker or the direction they chose to go with him.
thank you for saying this! batman v superman lifted panels straight from the comics while the writing has nothing to do with the comic they are lifted from. It's as if they are added just for fans to go
I don't think there would be an issue but Joker wasn't in his plan for JL iirc
oh nevermind. I didn't read the latest posts in the thread lol.
Snyder does this all the time, same thing happened with Watchmen.
I still vividly remember people claiming that Snyder packed Batman v. Superman with deep literary references because a hole Batman made in a wall kinda looked like a whale if you squinted hard enough.
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IIRC the hole was in the shape of Superman's creators home state. BvS is riddled with easter eggs.
yup yup. That these movies pulled from multiple comics was never in doubt.
I can appreciate your appreciation of Snyder but he doesn't get why Superman or Batman actually work as characters. Even if he was trying to bring in grounded versions of the characters, he still missed the mark 9 times out of 10. There are a few hooks that would be super interesting to explore but Snyder explore them like a 13 year old edge lord. Themes and questions like does the world need Superman, what would his place be, and how would the world react to someone like him, those are fascinating questions that could have been explored but Snyder isn't interested in that. He just wants to make things that look cool. Snyder just lifts images that look good but doesn't understand why any of the stories Thaf he takes from actually work.It goes deeper than that OrIok but the late 80s and the 90s were mostly a great time for DC, unlike Marvel who faced bankruptcy and the Image brain drain.
Here is a scene from Detective Comics 33 (1939). A certain DC film open with similar city-wide destruction and out of costume Bats stepping in to lift a beam:
You might say that I am crazy for bringing up a random comic from before WW2 but here is the thing. Zaddy collects Golden Age comics and this is THE first issue that shows Batman's origins. And would you look at what Thomas does to Joe Chill? He also fights back. It wasn´t Miller who had that idea first. It was Finger and Kane... or whoever drew this for Kane.
How many people died in MoS according to Word of God "Probably 5,000 people or something like that".
Sups kills exactly 1,5 people in these films outside the Knightmare. Zod and Doomsday Zod. Guess who he killed in the comics before?
Man Of Steel's Death Total Was Around 5,000 People According To Director Zack Snyder
One of the biggest controversies in Man Of Steel was the massive destruction which took place in [...]comicbook.com
The destruction of Metropolis is all Zod, unless you want to bill Sups for the glass windows he drags Zod´s face though. Superman destroys more of Smallville that he does of Metropolis but this has been proven many times over on YT. Moving on.
I am pretty sure that millions died in Suicide Squad due to what Enchantress did to that city within minutes. The award-winning (not a joke, the book also won an award) Suicide Squad: The Official Movie Novelization by Marv Wolfman is mostly the Ayer Cut if you want to know more.
This twin cities divided by a bay stuff is from the Silver Age and this is Metropolis with Wayne Manor in the background.
Snyder´s Doomsday "clone" follows comics canon and I don´t just mean the forced evolution virus from the N52. I ain´t wasting my time here as this is an easy way to spot who actually read 90s comics and who is just screaming about Snyder not doing that panel they once saw on the web correctly.
Superman "died" early into his career in the Post Crisis canon. Not 18 to 19 months in but still early. Let´s just say twice as much. Snyder and the 2-part N52 toon film got that aspect right. We skipped the Superman imposters but him dying young (well, age 34 to 35) and being deified early on is right out of the comics.
Doomsday is even seeded in the opening to MoS. The TV show Krypton (it gets good with S01E3) by MoS writer David S. Goyer was supposed to be DCEU canon and get into that but you know. The DCEU imploded. It has the "real" Doomsday.
Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey by Dan Jurgens is the sequel to Death of Superman and should be read by all Snyder fans:
On violence in Superman comics, from the same mini. It doesn´t seem to be Comic Code approved. Dan Jurgens the original Zack Snyder, lol:
Re-reading it after seeing BvS lead to a few double takes by me. I can go on all day. Especially about Lex who is my favorite part of the DCEU.
Snyder cares so much about DC comics that he ends up caring too much. That´s why the movement only gained momentum. Snyder gave fans a 250 million dollar version (MoS had budget bloat due to carryover cost from Superman Returns 2 and BvS had all that costly Dawn of Justice stuff it needed to build up) of what some as me had been reading/following for decades and you can also go from the films to the comics, toons and so on and see similar content. Such a feedback loop only builds and some people at DC, especially at the toon division, have really been stoking this movement hard.
You can´t show someone nirvana and then yank the chain. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel. Well, here we are.
Other callbacks:
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Complete DC Comics Easter Eggs and Reference Guide
Your complete guide to DC Comics references, Justice League movie hints, and DCEU Easter eggs in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice!www.denofgeek.com
The Knightmare sequence is a take on the seminal Rock of Ages by Grant Morrison, one of the thanked comic writers in the JLA film. It´s my all-time favorite JLA story. All the other thanked writers broken down:
Batman V Superman: Who Were the Comic Book Creators In the Credits?
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To say that a director who literally made my childhood dreams come true on the silver screen is some illiterate hack who doesn´t get the comics he is adapting is thus deeply offensive to me. Totally not controversial comic author Tom King lastly referenced the Snyder-verse a few times. Knightmare cosplay Bats killing a horse:
He literally had an arc called "Knightmares" in 2019 but it's not Darkseid related. Cool story from back when people were the angriest at him. Aren´t internet nerds the best? I wonder how many death threats he gets... I love you Tom. Heroes in Crisis was the best "event" in years.
PS: Battison will be a great Batman. Release the Hype Engine.
A fan compilation of the Vero shots of Snyder´s JLA in one place:
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More on Darkside´s scale:
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Some stuff, as Steppenwolf´s death, for sure were never finished under Snyder. To say that the most ardent supporter of Snyder didn´t know this is wrong. Who do the journalists think is we were getting this info from? Everyone from DC employees to disgruntled effects staff to the stunt team came together to make this happen. The failure of reporting on this fan movent is frankly staggering:
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Steppy would have died around the 2 hours and 10 min mark in the theatrical cut and there is no way that only one cut of the film would have released as even Dawn of the Dead (by Universal) has a director's cut. These are Zack´s curse and the film was going through ADR in January 2017:
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Josstice League premiered on October 26th so "picture lock" for him would have been around early Oktober at the latest. Reshoots began in July of 2017 and cost $25 mil. That´s the ballpark cost of the Snyder Cut. Whedon´s team had 3 months and change to extensively re-shoot and do to post work! I ain´t angry at that team for making the worst of a bad situation but doing all that to get a Batgirl gig and to then be fired form it is... yeah. WB deserved to implode. For comparison. BvS was delayed by a full year for Zack to execute on his vision THE way he wanted. That´s how every frame became a panting. The lake around Wayne Mannor is shaped like a Bat in BvS and even young Bruce forms one with the Bats during his nightmare at the start. Stuff like that is what makes the film on repeat viewing. The Snyder Cut will be another complex looking film, just look at this camera setup:
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Willem Dafoe in a full sporting performance. Even Jim Sterling will have to watch this cut.
This movement will go as far as Zack is willing to go for us. Animated versions of film 4 and 5 and/or comics are my more than manageable end-goal but HBOMax might have their own Mandalorian on their hands if they play their cards right. But let´s say Film 3 is it. I See This as an Absolute Win is my answer.
I am so hyped for that Norse gods cartoon. Thx Netflix. Zack Snyder with NO shakes. Can´t wait.
On the question of how complete the Snyder-verse will feel after 2021 if this is it. It won´t be pushed much further than in 2017 but his film will be a coherent end product. Simple as that and the people who say that his JLA will still be bad are 100% correct. You are not the target audience. That train has left the station long ago.
End of Gieger-Gellion is back on the menu.
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Zack Snyder shared a photo on VERO™
Uxas clearing the defenders of earth from the anti-life equation he better lookout for David Thewlis
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Zack Snyder shared photos on VERO™
Not sure how they killed Steppenwolf in the theatrical version of JL this was never finished all the way but I use Gods to kill Gods
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Zack Snyder shared a photo on VERO™
That time in January 2017 when Diana came face to face with Uxas for the first time
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Zack Snyder shared photos on VERO™
A little BTS of how I shot the mother box scene in the Wayne aerospace hangar I wanted a constant moving camera so came up with 8 camera beam splitter rig just cool technical part of the job
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I am so hyped for that Norse gods cartoon. Thx Netflix. Zack Snyder with NO shakes. Can´t wait.
On the question of how complete the Snyder-verse will feel after 2021 if this is it. It won´t be pushed much further than in 2017 but his film will be a coherent end product. Simple as that and the people who say that his JLA will still be bad are 100% correct. You are not the target audience. That train has left the station long ago.
End of Gieger-Gellion is back on the menu.
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MoS crates Kyptonite on screen and on the DCEU slate growing and evolving, well:
Jay Oliva on Twitter
“@DAlter007 Okay school is in session... Back in April 2013 (before MoS released in June) I was tasked with doing the Superman 75 short. I met with Zack who was the exec producer on it and he showed me storyboards of BvS with Batman already in it. AND it was a Batman from DKR.”
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Jay Oliva on Twitter
“@shewrick @TeeLocasone @I_Am_MFR @Transfigurati0n The sequel was BvS. It was underway before MOS opened. So please change this fallacy of shoehorning Batman into a sequel. That was Always part of the plan.”
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Here is the masterful short both did for Superman´s 75th in 2013:
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Watched MoS again the other day. I still can't believe DC is tossing even more money at Zack Snyder After the damage he's done to their movie brand.
When Aquaman and Harley have to carry you, you know something got messed up somewhere.
When Aquaman and Harley have to carry you, you know something got messed up somewhere.
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I posted this in the wrong topic by using the wrong tab. Sorry. This goes here.
About that podcast. Robert Greenblatt, current Chairman of WarnerMedia Entertainment, confirmed that Snyder Cut talks started last fall. Guess when the film trended on Twitter? The 20 to 30 mil budget reported in the press announcement by THR is on the lower end according to him. It's a radical rethinking of that movie and it's complicated and wildly expensive. Which is, of course, a number I won't quote. I'll just say I wish it was $30 million and stop there." The full statement on why this wasn´t at the launch at HBO and other info begins at minute 31:40.
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The summary version:
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Greenblatt is and I quote, "excited" and views the new film as an "event". Us doing all this shit paid off. He confirmes that the plane stunt over WB´s offices worked!
That´s Times Square on the right. It´s a travesty that fans had to come together to market this out of their pocket but the current WB heads aren´t the ones who sunk this film. We came from the brink of total defeat and half of it went to charity. I can live with that. I am factually advertising this thing right now so I guess that I´ll have to take to Twitter when the film comes out. That´s where we hit gold. The film or eps need views. They need to trend on social media. Etc.
and he will land this plane for us.
To contribute something new. Ayer didn´t write Suicide Squad in 2 weeks:
He is currently developing a Dirty Dozen remake for WB. That´s why he can openly talk about his wish to recut SS into his vision that is 90 something % finished and is currently in a vault with a full score and everything. No new filming is needed. Only some effects would need polishing. This is a skeleton crew job in a market that needs such work right now. Which is also helping Snyder´s cause. Those effects houses need work with how shut down a lot of Holywood is right now.
About that podcast. Robert Greenblatt, current Chairman of WarnerMedia Entertainment, confirmed that Snyder Cut talks started last fall. Guess when the film trended on Twitter? The 20 to 30 mil budget reported in the press announcement by THR is on the lower end according to him. It's a radical rethinking of that movie and it's complicated and wildly expensive. Which is, of course, a number I won't quote. I'll just say I wish it was $30 million and stop there." The full statement on why this wasn´t at the launch at HBO and other info begins at minute 31:40.
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Justice League: Snyder Cut Will Cost Way More Than Reported $30 Million
Snyder needs some more dough.
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Greenblatt is and I quote, "excited" and views the new film as an "event". Us doing all this shit paid off. He confirmes that the plane stunt over WB´s offices worked!
That´s Times Square on the right. It´s a travesty that fans had to come together to market this out of their pocket but the current WB heads aren´t the ones who sunk this film. We came from the brink of total defeat and half of it went to charity. I can live with that. I am factually advertising this thing right now so I guess that I´ll have to take to Twitter when the film comes out. That´s where we hit gold. The film or eps need views. They need to trend on social media. Etc.
and he will land this plane for us.
To contribute something new. Ayer didn´t write Suicide Squad in 2 weeks:
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Conventional wisdom dictates that when you do a bad movie, you stop dumping money on it. Let's see if WB strategy of investing 20-30 million dollars more in this mess will make the bad movie good.
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Thank you!
isnt that superman though? he needs to be like cap in the MCU, just a fucking big ol dork but you still respect him because he stands up for what is right
