I really liked the game on Inferno difficulty since it increased the speed of all the enemies and you really had to make use of the systems to not die.
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Ys VIII was horrendously mediocre, inconsiderate of my time and my biggest disappointment of the gen. Rant thread.
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Oh good, all my most hated JRPGs aspects, and in droves. Guess I probably shouldn't check this out in the end.
I guess I can agree with that. The story moments were swift enough.
It took me waaaay longer because I played it in japanese and had to look up words frequently. The writing is generic anime, mediocre at best and the low budget presentation doesn't add any charm. Characters standing around and talking and reacting after one another has no dynamism, no feeling of drama. And yeah the dialogue is just as generic anime as the rest of the package.
Idk how you thought MoC was good but hated Ys VIII? MoC's story was absolutely dreadful while VIII's was pretty decent. Music and combat are great in both though IMO
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Maybe 6 years ago I had more patience for its BS than now.
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late YS have been plagued by nosense collecthaton and huge empty worlds.
for what we saw on ys 9 the situation doesn't seems to have improved
please falcom give me a smaller, more focused ys.
for what we saw on ys 9 the situation doesn't seems to have improved
please falcom give me a smaller, more focused ys.
I loved it. Sure the story was awful, but that's true of all video games so I can look past it.
How different are modern Ys games compared to, say Ark of Napishtim? I loved that on Dreamcast back in the day and recently bought a bunch of Ys games when they were dirt cheap and I had some funds on my Steam wallet so they ended up being "free". I kinda want to get to them sooner or later.
I loved it.
Wasn't super keen on the anime tropes but the sense of adventure exploring the island, rescuing new characters for the village with the colourful graphics and music was just wonderful. Some of the cast were better than others. I really liked Dana (her clothes are stupid) but her entire arc is tragic. Her voice actress suited her perfectly.
Wasn't super keen on the anime tropes but the sense of adventure exploring the island, rescuing new characters for the village with the colourful graphics and music was just wonderful. Some of the cast were better than others. I really liked Dana (her clothes are stupid) but her entire arc is tragic. Her voice actress suited her perfectly.
Napisthim never got a Dreamcast release, it was PC originally, with Konami doing a PS2/PSP port and the XSEED ported the PC version over in the US.
As for the newer games, there's some changes. The games are more party focused as opposed to Adol going alone. This started with Ys VII and has continued through the series up to IX.
As for Ys VIII, I loved it. It's not my favorite in the series, but I still enjoyed it, and that's all that matters to me.
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I probably played it on PS2, huh. Misremembered that. I was sure it was DC. Thanks!
I liked the game, it's not perfect by any means (too long, the first hours are slow and boring, the party characters are not that great) but it's a fun action game with some great music and a good sense of exploration.
I would prefer that Falcom returned to shorter and more focused Ys games though, they are trying to "merge" the games with the Kiseki formula (lots of NPCs, lots of story sections) but the Ys games have been always faster and less story oriented, and I don't think the new style benefits the experience at all.
I would prefer that Falcom returned to shorter and more focused Ys games though, they are trying to "merge" the games with the Kiseki formula (lots of NPCs, lots of story sections) but the Ys games have been always faster and less story oriented, and I don't think the new style benefits the experience at all.
Ys 8 and Doom Eternal are my top two favorite games this gen :)
That said I played through from start to finish my first time on Inferno with a ban on healing items and that is understandably a different game than most people play.
The fights in the party games are more in line with say a rhythm game or punch out. Inferno speeding up the monsters gave them a lot more fluid flow to their combat actions to chain stuff together nonstop standing around and waiting rarely happens and honestly that should have been the base speed for every monster regardless of difficulty, the normal and hard setting damage enemies basically hit like wet sponges so speeding them up would have made them feel a bit more engaging and still not too punishing since healing items are over abundant
That said I played through from start to finish my first time on Inferno with a ban on healing items and that is understandably a different game than most people play.
Boss fights are rarely over the 2-3 minute mark even on inferno. The fights in oath and origin on nightmare can be significantly longer than that with a few assholes hitting the 7 to 8 minute mark.
The fights in the party games are more in line with say a rhythm game or punch out. Inferno speeding up the monsters gave them a lot more fluid flow to their combat actions to chain stuff together nonstop standing around and waiting rarely happens and honestly that should have been the base speed for every monster regardless of difficulty, the normal and hard setting damage enemies basically hit like wet sponges so speeding them up would have made them feel a bit more engaging and still not too punishing since healing items are over abundant
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Outside of the horribly generic art and some padding I thought it was one of the best Ys games yet. I think I'd put it in the top 3 for sure. It's one of those game where I just couldn't stop playing; the music was kick-ass, the world was so much fun to traverse thanks to the tight and fast controls. Loved the dungeons too, very varied. Honestly I can't imagine anyone not liking it, but this sentiment has been popping up a lot lately on ERA. Then again, I see a lot of sentiments pop up again and again.
I just wanna say that I too hated Ys VIII, I couldn't get through more than 10-15 hrs of that game, but I'm actually playing Trails in the Sky atm and I love it, its the first one so I'm kinda happy I have like 8-9 more in that series ahead of me, I would definately urge you to still give Trails in the Sky a chance, btw I'm playing the PC version of it which I would definately recommend over the console version. Btw this was my first Ys game.
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This just seems like most people here are putting way too much stock in other people's opinions. Naturally if someone likes a game and thinks it's one of the best games of the gen that doesn't mean everyone agrees, but it also doesn't take away that if someone thinks Ys 8 or Cold Steel or Xenoblade 2 are some of the best games they played in the gen, that doesn't mean their tastes are inherently inferior or something. Era is a diverse group of individuals and it's real weird that people have this mindset that every Era recommendation is just always going to bad.
I agree with you 100% OP, I thought the Ys' series was on a downhill trend for years but Ys VIII's bloat was just the worst and completely killed my interest in Ys'
Then I played YsIX and I loved it and thought it was one of the best games in the series and the best game Falcom's made in a decade. IX is about as long, but it's not bloated and is just a good length real rpg with a great cast & story and more interesting gameplay/location.
So I'd still give IX a try at some point.
Then I played YsIX and I loved it and thought it was one of the best games in the series and the best game Falcom's made in a decade. IX is about as long, but it's not bloated and is just a good length real rpg with a great cast & story and more interesting gameplay/location.
So I'd still give IX a try at some point.
In my case I don't necessarily believe that absolutely every Era recommendation will be bad, but am under the impression that the overwhelming majority of the time my tastes will end up clashing with what people around here actually do like (for one, I doubt that I would hate Ys VIII as OP did).
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Speaking of Era as a collective opinion... I cannot fathom why this board despises Ni No Kuni II... It was better than this game by a landslide. Only thing I wish from it is if the hard mode patch had been there day one because it is too easy, but it's a lot better than Ys VIII and gets shit on every topic here about it.
I don't agree with you about Ys VIII, but i do agree that Ni No Kuni 2 is better than the reputation it gets here. NNK1 is a much superior game though
Yeah, I can see how speeding up the enemies and making them more aggressive could be a transformative change. Sounds a bit like Sekiro, actually. If I ever play another party Ys I guess I'll have to try it on Inferno.
I enjoy the game for what it is but agree the battle party is boring with zero character development, and even then are all immediately sidelined as soon as Dana appears. The villagers were far more interesting. Laxia in particular made no sense. She's the daughter of a field biologist, confident when moving around on her own and no stranger to adventure. But what's the first thing she does when shipwrecked on an island packed with monsters? Why, strip off for a bath in the stream of course, so Adol can stumble across her and be called out. Just like the intro of TOCS. And TOCSIII. Get some new material rather than the shittier end of anime skits, Falcom.
You dont learn about Hummel until near end game though. A lot of the characters have extra bits about them near the end of the game about where they came from, where they want to go in the future and how their recent experiences changed their look on stuff. It's all in the gift stories and little dialog between story events when they are chilling in camp.
Pretty sure this is the first time she's been "apart" from her butler she makes a big deal about making sure she actually ditched him on the boat but yes that scene was dumb.
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After loving Oath of Felghana and Origins, I guess I just have to accept this series isn't for me anymore. I tried 7 and 8 and just found them really boring. Kind of like early final fantasy vs modern final fantasy I just don't care for them anymore.
All of which renders them as a few minutes of story at best in a 50 hour+ game while the game focuses entirely on Dana.
I was unclear and that's fair—there are plenty of recommendations I find on Era I DO agree with—I just tend to find that a lot of posters that talk about Japanese games I don't agree with. That doesn't make their taste inferior, it just means that they're interested in very different games than me/have different levels of tolerance for certain things. These posters I usually just ignore recommendations for bc we tend to differ so greatly on what we like.
but anyone who didn't think Judgment was sort of a creepy misogynistic nightmare does get side eyes from me lol
I hope you're right about IX.
I haven't loved an Ys game since Adol was solo. I keep playing because JRPGs in general have lost a lot of their appeal over the last 15 years, but Ys is almost a comfort food. I can usually look past its flaws and enjoy it somewhat.
I guess I had pretty low expectations going in. I don't play Ys thinking they are going to be AAA quality GOTY winning type experiences.
Mostly I just want to turn the difficulty up and enjoy the mediocre combat. I did find the environment of this game much more fun than previous entries personally.
And I even played it before they fixed the god awful translation lol
Mostly I just want to turn the difficulty up and enjoy the mediocre combat. I did find the environment of this game much more fun than previous entries personally.
And I even played it before they fixed the god awful translation lol
Yeah, and I do see where you're coming from and that's fair. Naturally if your tastes differ from someone that drastically then you'll be wary about taking their recommendations to heart. I'm picky about what games I like too, but I also never would have picked up some of my favorite games of the generation if it wasn't for reading some posts on them through Era.
And of course I would never say you're wrong about your assessment of Judgement as admittedly I haven't played much of and don't really plan to go back to it.
I don't know why some people get either mad or extremely disappointed in putting stock to others opinions lol. Like cmon people have different opinions plus Era is quite diverse. So blaming Era for not liking a game is quite frankly wild imo.
It's because it's worse than NNK I. The fact you go from Ni Ni Kuni I to II and see how much of an inferior product it is really hurts the game.
It's because it's worse than NNK I. The fact you go from Ni Ni Kuni I to II and see how much of an inferior product it is really hurts the game.
Honestly tho I have to say that, as amazing as Ys Origins' gameplay is, it has some severe issues, too.
1) Incredibly repetitive. The 3 paths are literally exactly the same, minus, tbh, really uninteresting story differences that parallel the other characters. The game isn't long, but it doesn't change the fact that the true ending requires you to do the exact same thing 3 times.
2) The writing... oh my god. I mean, again, I've never played an Ys game with great writing but it's just atrocious here. And maybe part of it was a localization thing but literally every single character and every single line of dialogue was insanely cringeworthy. I enjoyed Reah and Feena well enough, but that's about it. I especially did not care about any of the edgelord Fact characters or the daemons.
I still think Ark of Napishtim is by far and away the best in the series. I like how it's a solo Adol game that manages to feel somewhat grand/epic despite lacking a party and not being too long. Fantastic artwork, love the setting, best soundtrack in the series (from what I've personally heard of the series, at least), etc. Oath in Felghana might have tighter gameplay but there's literally nothing I remember about the story and nothing I remember about the characters. Nothing. Can't say the same for VI. I still remember Olha, Isha, Geis, Ernst, the annoying fairies, etc. It's a simple, but enjoyable story.
Also: hot take, I love the PS2 version. And the CG cutscenes, minus how Olha and Isha looked lol
1) Incredibly repetitive. The 3 paths are literally exactly the same, minus, tbh, really uninteresting story differences that parallel the other characters. The game isn't long, but it doesn't change the fact that the true ending requires you to do the exact same thing 3 times.
2) The writing... oh my god. I mean, again, I've never played an Ys game with great writing but it's just atrocious here. And maybe part of it was a localization thing but literally every single character and every single line of dialogue was insanely cringeworthy. I enjoyed Reah and Feena well enough, but that's about it. I especially did not care about any of the edgelord Fact characters or the daemons.
I still think Ark of Napishtim is by far and away the best in the series. I like how it's a solo Adol game that manages to feel somewhat grand/epic despite lacking a party and not being too long. Fantastic artwork, love the setting, best soundtrack in the series (from what I've personally heard of the series, at least), etc. Oath in Felghana might have tighter gameplay but there's literally nothing I remember about the story and nothing I remember about the characters. Nothing. Can't say the same for VI. I still remember Olha, Isha, Geis, Ernst, the annoying fairies, etc. It's a simple, but enjoyable story.
Also: hot take, I love the PS2 version. And the CG cutscenes, minus how Olha and Isha looked lol
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No it isn't.
Whether a game has repetition or backtracking included in its design has nothing to do with the hardware at all.
I've played and beaten I & II, Oath, Origin, Ark, Celceta, Seven and VIII.
VIII is my favorite among all of them. When it comes to exploration, I much preferred what I'll call 'attacking the space swiftly' and VIII does that better than it's predecessors. I like Dana solo section, it reminds me of playing the older games with a solo Adol.
The boss fights and soundtracks in VIII are more memorable to me too.
VIII is my favorite among all of them. When it comes to exploration, I much preferred what I'll call 'attacking the space swiftly' and VIII does that better than it's predecessors. I like Dana solo section, it reminds me of playing the older games with a solo Adol.
The boss fights and soundtracks in VIII are more memorable to me too.