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Xbox players are fed up with forced crossplay against PC gamers
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Xbox players are fed up with forced crossplay against PC gamers.
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crossplay with PC should only be opt-in. At the very least input based matchmaking should be default, at best console only crossplay, and then full crossplay opt-in.
BF2042 tried to force crossplay on xbox, the only thing they did is that they simply killed the xbox community by doing so (the option did came back a few weeks after the launch but it was already too late and it's currently not working at all anyway). it's even worse than Halo or COD because there's close to no aim-assist for console players, which makes it very unbalanced vs m&kb players.
BF2042 tried to force crossplay on xbox, the only thing they did is that they simply killed the xbox community by doing so (the option did came back a few weeks after the launch but it was already too late and it's currently not working at all anyway). it's even worse than Halo or COD because there's close to no aim-assist for console players, which makes it very unbalanced vs m&kb players.
I have yet to have a negative experience in Halo multiplayer where I'm sure a player is cheating or I felt they had an advantage due to MKB. And they give you the ability to opt out of crossplay in Ranked, where it really "counts"
Yea, I'd love an option to never match against PC players on Infinite.
Shit like this is becoming more and more prevalent when I play. The guy tracked through walls and instantly sniped me jumping up there while I had camo. It was a new account, and reporting is meaningless when he can just make a new account in 5 minutes.
Shit like this is becoming more and more prevalent when I play. The guy tracked through walls and instantly sniped me jumping up there while I had camo. It was a new account, and reporting is meaningless when he can just make a new account in 5 minutes.
Opt-in goes against entire premise of cross play. Either have cross play or don't. Opt-in is the worst solution of all possible ones.
Not everyone plays ranked. Some just want to jump into quick play and still have a fair playing field. Some might not even want to play against other types of controllers for reasons.
Doesn't Xbox have a particular setting that deactivates all crossplay capabilities? It doesn't work for Xbox/Xbox PC games?
It seems to work just fine on MCC. You can crossplay based on platform and crossplay based on input device. What's wrong with having options?
I wrote about this in the XBOX thread. Here in the EU, if you turn off Crossplay mutli becomes a real struggle. I'm not just talking about COD and The latest Battlefield...
There's an EU multiplayer population problem on XBOX that I don't think most people are aware of. Trouble is, it's getting worse.
There's an EU multiplayer population problem on XBOX that I don't think most people are aware of. Trouble is, it's getting worse.
I certainly got killed many times by console players in Battlefield 2042 but in my brief time with the game it was, admittedly, very obvious when I'd find myself in a prolonged encounter what platform the opponent was playing on. Managing sticks is just a different beast to mouse and keyboard, and you can spot it in the way the opponent moves in an attempt to avoid getting hit and how off the accuracy is especially over range.
And the reverse is true. Pretty much every Xbox/PlayStation diehard I know has loathed the cross platform play and how hard it is to best the better crop of PC players over the longer encounters.
And the reverse is true. Pretty much every Xbox/PlayStation diehard I know has loathed the cross platform play and how hard it is to best the better crop of PC players over the longer encounters.
It does but doesn't work with all games.
I really wish cross-play was opt in vs PC players. Don't mind going against other consoles.
yes there's a system option to disable crossplay. But doing so it turns xplay Off for every game. While I would like to have it off while playing a FPS, I don't care for games like Forza. Xplay on/off should exclusively on a game by game basis.
Some of the main reasons people want cross-play is the community is small or they have friends on other platforms. In those cases, those people can opt-in.
For games with decent-sized communities the opt-in means that console-only matches remain populated because it's the default.
But at any case, does that option work for Halo Infinite in particular? Or does it ignore it and pool everyone together?
I do agree that crossplay should be a toggle in the menu and that's it.
Wasn't this one of the worries people had when voicing concerns about cross-play? I am a bit ignorant in the matter since I don't basically play any multiplayer games at all, but I do remember that specifically.
Microsoft could have implemented a universal anti-cheat for PC a long time ago, instead we are going to get a lot of DRM in the background from Riot, Acitivison etc.
I thought Infinites aim-assist was pretty strong?
The problem is that instead of unifying all players with crossplay, opt-in splits player bases into even smaller and smaller chunks.
Dropped Warzone exactly because of that and despite Halo being a little bit more fair in TTK, i still do not enjoy the fact that i can't opt out crossplay. This is just sad, specially since there is a lot of games doing crossplay right.
i prefer less people in the matchmaking and be fair (without hackers) than have more people to beat my ass just because of a input (or hackers)
i prefer less people in the matchmaking and be fair (without hackers) than have more people to beat my ass just because of a input (or hackers)
And here I'm getting pissed off at being killed by gamepad players who move and aim like tanks but still have more accuracy with the battle rifle in Halo Infinite.
I feel those Xbox players because I absolutely hated playing with console gamers in rocket league.
What I was saying about no aim assist was about BF2042 ;) (there's aim assist in halo and COd from what i know).
And as soon as you start having trouble matchmaking, you can opt-in
I'm very pro cross-play, and I don't think there's a solution that will please everyone. In Halo, for example, I think controller players have the advantage at mid-range where the majority of the fights happen. You could argue it's not fair to PC users. It goes both ways.
When we said cross play, we meant with console multiplats, not with PC players lol. First party exclusives of course should be with their respective consoles, but I'm not trying to play Halo and COD with some PC players. There is a huge difference.
Yes, that option exists, but people want a built in option directly in the game.
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Personally, cheaters are the reason I stopped playing Halo's multiplayer, It's virtually impossible to beat one of those guys.
No they dont. They just sort by input devices. You can do K&M or Controller but both of those input methods are viable on both Xbox and PC.
cross-play is great in coop games, to bring friend groups on different platforms together to play a game. in competitive games, because of cheating and and differences in input devices, it's definitely a lot more nuanced. i don't want pc cheater invaders that can permanently mess my save file in souls games for example
it's great to see some more nuance on the topic of cross-play. for a while, discussion on here was dumbed down to CROSS PLAY GOOD, BARRIERS TO CROSS PLAY BAD, but it's a bit more complex
it's great to see some more nuance on the topic of cross-play. for a while, discussion on here was dumbed down to CROSS PLAY GOOD, BARRIERS TO CROSS PLAY BAD, but it's a bit more complex
I don't know about COD because I don't play it but there is definitely aim assist in Halo for controller players. I know this because I do a lot better in cross-play ranked matches compared to controller only.
On cross-play, I'm only Gold 6 so maybe the cheating is something you see mostly in the top ranks.
Obviously not all PC players are cheaters, and the article isn't saying that.
If you could flip a toggle in the menu on PC and not have to deal with cheaters, would you do it?
That could split the player base in 2, with consoles on one side and pc on the other, or controller and m&kb depending on the solution that would be implemented. Don't think it would be a problem for anyone.
"Online gamers are fed up with other online players" more realistically.
I appriciate that there are problems with cheaters sometimes. That sucks. I've never experienced it first hand myself but have seen enough videos to know that it exists. That's rubbish.
But the only Xbox player that I've ever known who was fed up with crossplay against PC players doesn't get invited to join our games anymore because they whined and whined about 'fucking PC players' every time they got bested in a game and it was truly the worst when everyone else was just having fun.
I appriciate that there are problems with cheaters sometimes. That sucks. I've never experienced it first hand myself but have seen enough videos to know that it exists. That's rubbish.
But the only Xbox player that I've ever known who was fed up with crossplay against PC players doesn't get invited to join our games anymore because they whined and whined about 'fucking PC players' every time they got bested in a game and it was truly the worst when everyone else was just having fun.
Agree. I've never felt there has been cheating and for every time I suspect someone is doing super well because they are on PC, there is a time when they are not.
The matchmaking system takes care of it really well, so any advantage that someone has simply manifests itself as them playing with/against players who can perform just as well as them, regardless of input.
Indeed. Halo players hate losing, will rarely accept they were actually not the best player.
Crossplay would be fine if the game had a real anti-cheat. Nobody has a big advantage from just using a mouse in Halo.
Or it wouldn't be as big of a problem if the game wasn't F2P….. I'm still wondering where the positive effect of that change is at
Or it wouldn't be as big of a problem if the game wasn't F2P….. I'm still wondering where the positive effect of that change is at
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Keep complaining everyone, they will get it sorted eventually. While I am a huge proponent for crossplay, I can see why some don't want it for some senarios. I think devs are still trying to figure out how to deal with it honestly.
1. Cross play should be available for every multiplayer game.
2. Every game should have the ability to opt in or out.
1. Cross play should be available for every multiplayer game.
2. Every game should have the ability to opt in or out.
I don't play ranked exclusively, I mean Quick Play, Tactical Slayer, etc. I haven't played as much as some, but I'm halfway through the Battlepass and PC players have not soured my experience. Maybe an opposing player has been cheating at some point, but I don't go looking for evidence if I lose a match.
Look, cheating is bad and 343 needs to maintain anticheat, but it's not like the current state is some dire Wild West of obvious cheaters spawning rocket launchers or something. I'm not going to get outraged unless my experience is affected (see Big Team Battle's broken matchmaking)
Oh you're right, it is by control method.
It should always be opt-in for both sides. I can't get into a multiplayer game in any serious manner if I'm going against console/controller players with a ton of aim assistance making strafe 1v1 battles unfair, I don't care if I have advantage in other situations, everyone should be on a level playing field at all times.
pc console crossplay was never a 'popular request' in the way console crossplay was. Nobody was clamoring to play against pc cheaters lmao.
that's some revisionist history. All we ever wanted was to play cross play with our xbox and playstation friends. I'm not against PC being in the mix for shooters but any sort of mandatory matchmaking with PC players is just a horrible decision by developers.
that's some revisionist history. All we ever wanted was to play cross play with our xbox and playstation friends. I'm not against PC being in the mix for shooters but any sort of mandatory matchmaking with PC players is just a horrible decision by developers.
That, and start hardware banning legit cheaters. Don't let them make new accounts.
Most Halo fights are in very close range where you absolutely have an advantage as a gamepad player. There's a reason gamepad players have way higher accuracy stats.
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As per my understanding, that is a cross network setting. Since Halo on PC is on Xbox Live, that setting has no effect.
I'd then only have to deal with m/kb adapter and special anti-recoil controller players while having a smaller matchmaking player base.
It's been a long, long, /long/ time since playing on a console meant an even playing field in general.
Most Halo fights are in very close range where you absolutely have an advantage as a gamepad player. There's a reason gamepad players have way higher accuracy stats.
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I feel like we're splitting hairs over close and mid range. Your post supports what I said.