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Xbox Game Studios |OT5| The Cult of Phil in the Age of Booty: A Case Study

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I don't SuikerBrood was saying that Rod sucks or anything, y'all. Just that he shouldn't be in charge of marketing or influencing marketing decisions as much as he seemingly did this time. Just because he's good in leading The Coalition, doesn't mean he's good at all areas involved in the release of a game. Not that MS marketing in general has been great, but still.
 
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Joseph said:
Man, that 20by2020 wasn't too far off.
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Far as I'm concerned I think its still very much possible. Especially with the substantial increase in PC Game Pass subs, I feel like they will continue to expand both current studios and look to flesh out XGS with more talent. There is still a lot they can do to attract as many people as possible. That Japanese studio being one of them ;)

Ishmae1 said:
We do, it just hasn't cleared legal yet. Once that's done and the logo is in place, we'll show it off.
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X019 announcement it is then!

Theorry said:
Also with Gamepass Ultimate you get the Ultimate edition and 4 days early access.
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This really stood out to me, if this is the kind of experiences we'll get with the 1P content it will be amazing as more additions come in.
 
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If you remember my comments over the last 2 years, 16 studios was always the threshold I expressed they need to hit (minimum 4 games / anno are guaranteed with this number basically). I'm very confident they'll reach this sooner than later.
 
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ImaginaShawn said:
IMO - In My Opinion.

Also I wasn't being serious. I figured people would disregard his opinion because he works for MS.
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He doesn't anymore, he left last year, and now he's at Amazon.

Anyway, what he said might be his opinion, but it's besically also a fact. One only needs to look at the history of devkits for current gen consoles to realize how much those specs can change over time.
 
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Klobrille said:
If you remember my comments over the last 2 years, 16 studios was always the threshold I expressed they need to hit (minimum 4 games / anno are guaranteed with this number basically). I'm very confident they'll reach this sooner than later.
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I think after the E3, somes studios are going to see the microsoft proposition in a good way. The interview from Booty, and the other people from NT, Obsidian and Double fine should really give a nice confidence to be bought for some ! ( too bad Typhoon didn't get bought, their game look really good ! it look like a nice metroid prime game ! they can be good at doing a Recore game one days !)
 
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Does anyone know if I upgrade to Game Pass Ultimate if it will reset the count on how many years I've been a member on Gold? I already had to go through that once when I lost access to my OG gamertag on the original Xbox. Not trying to do that again lol. I remember hearing something about that when GPU first started rolling out.
 
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SlipperyMoose said:
Does anyone know if I upgrade to Game Pass Ultimate if it will reset the count on how many years I've been a member on Gold? I already had to go through that once when I lost access to my OG gamertag on the original Xbox. Not trying to do that again lol. I remember hearing something about that when GPU first started rolling out.
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It won't, I upgraded and have 16 tag still
 
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Detective Pidgey said:
True, but also he's from MS. He isn't gonna say the opposite ;)

That being said, I bet that even if there are gonna be differences, we're not looking at X1-PS4 or Pro-X differences. Which is probably only a good thing. It's time for this nonsense from fanboys to go away.
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He is at Amazon now and the fact that he worked at MS doesn't change the point he is making. any reasonable person should know better than to start declaring a winner (based on dev kits specs) this early, The GI editor should know better than to start making claims about TFLOPs this far out from launch.. there will be a lot of revisions and upgrades made to the dev kits long before the final kits are shipped. ... as Penello stated they even shipped out Macs as 360 dev kits before the console was launched.
 
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craven68 said:
I think after the E3, somes studios are going to see the microsoft proposition in a good way. The interview from Booty, and the other people from NT, Obsidian and Double fine should really give a nice confidence to be bought for some ! ( too bad Typhoon didn't get bought, their game look really good ! it look like a nice metroid prime game ! they can be good at doing a Recore game one days !)
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I've been saying this for a while. I think after Ninja Theory, Obsidian, Compulsion, InXile and now Doublefine start releasing games fully under Xbox, and prove that they're able to keep their culture and their vision and still be successful, some studios that would have never joined Xbox will start to reconsider.

That's part of the reason I expect the acquisition to happen in waves. That and Xbox will need to convince Redmond to give them another 4 billion dollars at some point. Maybe once they've got the track record and a base of proof, they'll be able to court some Japanese developers, and I'll finally get Lost Odyssey 2.
 
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Klobrille said:
If you remember my comments over the last 2 years, 16 studios was always the threshold I expressed they need to hit (minimum 4 games / anno are guaranteed with this number basically). I'm very confident they'll reach this sooner than later.
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That's interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they currently have 15 (including Global Publishing). So that means there may be another announcement at X019?

I wonder where else they would want talent. Platformers, Strategy games and Cinematic action would be areas I would be looking,
 
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Bradbatross said:
He doesn't work for MS, he really doesn't have to say anything lol.
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christocolus said:
He is at Amazon now and the fact that he worked at MS doesn't change the point he is making. any reasonable person should know better than to start declaring a winner (based on dev kits specs) this early, The GI editor should know better than to start making claims about TFLOPs this far out from launch.. there will be a lot of revisions and upgrades made to the dev kits long before the final kits are shipped. ... as Penello stated they even shipped out Macs as 360 dev kits before the console was launched.
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Wait wait, Albert isn't at MS anymore? Either I'm getting old, or I just missed that news.
 
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Hubi said:
I think they could be targeting Bloober
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Bloober could be cool, and I'd like to see a well supported horror studio with creative freedom and deep pockets.

I'd be surprised if they grabbed any studios outside of their comfort zone though, geographically, before they'd solidified the market they have. Asia and Europe feel like the frontier for the next-gen acquisition spree.
 
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knightmawk said:
Bloober could be cool, and I'd like to see a well supported horror studio with creative freedom and deep pockets.

I'd be surprised if they grabbed any studios outside of their comfort zone though, geographically, before they'd solidified the market they have. Asia and Europe feel like the frontier for the next-gen acquisition spree.
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Yeah, the comfort zone is a huge hindrance. But MS has to know that theses zones limiting themselves. Europen and Asian Studios would definetly help to get more support in Europe/Asia
 
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knightmawk said:
I've been saying this for a while. I think after Ninja Theory, Obsidian, Compulsion, InXile and now Doublefine start releasing games fully under Xbox, and prove that they're able to keep their culture and their vision and still be successful, some studios that would have never joined Xbox will start to reconsider.

That's part of the reason I expect the acquisition to happen in waves. That and Xbox will need to convince Redmond to give them another 4 billion dollars at some point. Maybe once they've got the track record and a base of proof, they'll be able to court some Japanese developers, and I'll finally get Lost Odyssey 2.
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Playing that long game :D
 
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christocolus said:
He is at Amazon now and the fact that he worked at MS doesn't change the point he is making. any reasonable person should know better than to start declaring a winner (based on dev kits specs) this early, The GI editor should know better than to start making claims about TFLOPs this far out from launch.. there will be a lot of revisions and upgrades made to the dev kits long before the final kits are shipped. ... as Penello stated they even shipped out Macs as 360 dev kits before the console was launched.
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I think Reiner is just saying what he has heard and nobody has come out of E3 saying they heard developers say that Scarlett was more powerful. No need for people to attach Reiner for what he is saying, no need to take it at face value either. He has also literally doubled and tripled down on his tweet so it's not like he just decided to say it for the hell of it.

Of course, it could be something as simple as PS5 having more GPU power but Scarlett having a better RT chip. DF has already said do not expect anything more than 9 TF (equivalent to 12 TF today) based on Zen2/Navi reveals.
 
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I see XGS branding going well ;)

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Hubi said:
Yeah, the comfort zone is a huge hindrance. But MS has to know that theses zones limiting themselves. Europen and Asian Studios would definetly help to get more support in Europe/Asia
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Yeah absolutely, I think though this gen has been such a gut check for Xbox. They are definitely braver and they definitely have a lot more support from Satya than they did a few years ago, but they still have work to do. Developer communities and fans will need to see proof that they've changed and aren't just gonna gut these studios, and Redmond needs proof that these acquisition are profitable.

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Playing that long game :D
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Never give up hope. Without hope, what do we have?
 
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Klobrille said:
If you remember my comments over the last 2 years, 16 studios was always the threshold I expressed they need to hit (minimum 4 games / anno are guaranteed with this number basically). I'm very confident they'll reach this sooner than later.
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from a theorical point of view we are closer to that number, but there are some ambiguities.
1) minecfrat umbrella for mojang in sweden and the minecraft team in redmond, both of those are huge and create tons of material, even if for just one game(but that game clearly desrves it)
2) turn10 a pgg#1 are clearly fast and efficient
3) Global Publishing
4) spin offs made by external studios(343, turn10 and now TC and Rare all recurred to external developers for new games, we cannot rule out they will do again)
5) inxile new orleans and pgg#2 and NT, Obsidian and Rare working on several projects at the same time.
6) you were right about the RTS team, so what's happening with the new japan openings

Still it will be epic for gamepass and the gaas approach because now each team could wait for years of post launch support
 
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knightmawk said:
I've been saying this for a while. I think after Ninja Theory, Obsidian, Compulsion, InXile and now Doublefine start releasing games fully under Xbox, and prove that they're able to keep their culture and their vision and still be successful, some studios that would have never joined Xbox will start to reconsider.

That's part of the reason I expect the acquisition to happen in waves. That and Xbox will need to convince Redmond to give them another 4 billion dollars at some point. Maybe once they've got the track record and a base of proof, they'll be able to court some Japanese developers, and I'll finally get Lost Odyssey 2.
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Didn't Schafer specifically mention that Obsidian and Ninja Theory being acquired gave him the push to reach out to Microsoft?
 
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I've been thinking about how these studios can benefit from each other, particularly the smaller ones. I know from the interviews they have regular meetings and also visit each other.

For example looking at Undead Labs, which is arguably one of the smaller, less capable studios they have. They could pool resource with quite a few of the other teams to improve their next project substantially.

Driving mechanics - Turn 10/Playground Games
Storytelling - Obsidian/InXile
Animation - Coalition/343i
Level design - Ninja Theory
Online - Azure/MS AI

Just thinking about it, makes me wonder that these smaller studios have some serious potential in the future if they are managed correctly.
 

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Ushay said:
I've been thinking about how these studios can benefit from each other, particularly the smaller ones. I know from the interviews they have regular meetings and also visit each other.

For example looking at Undead Labs, which is arguably one of the smaller, less capable studios they have. They could pool resource with quite a few of the other teams to improve their next project substantially.

Driving mechanics - Turn 10/Playground Games
Storytelling - Obsidian/InXile
Animation - Coalition/343i
Level design - Ninja Theory
Online - Azure/MS AI

Just thinking about it, makes me wonder that these smaller studios have some serious potential in the future if they are managed correctly.
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phil said in that xbox on interview that he himself felt great seeing all the studio heads collaborate and share ideas....the obsidian leader feargus also said he would like to work with Undead labs because he likes what they did with their zombie world.....i think its exciting seeing all this and will further strengthen all studios
 
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The PS5 is more powerful than Anaconda pushing is pretty crazy here, a same rumors comes with not very meaningful tweets likely because what Booty said in few days ago.
Man few months ago it was still power doesn't matter, now it seems very matter.
 
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