That's why his contingency plans only work if he alone knows them...and he's not even the only paranoid JL member. The Question is a member as well
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Would you vote to expel Batman from the JLA due to his actions in Tower of Babel?
- Thread starter PhoenixAKG
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Yeah true friends erase your memory of the magic frontal lobotomy the team did against your objections to a rapist super villain
Honestly i hope he is gone for real because he got annoying real quick but im not holding my breath since in the last issues they showed that Batman (somehow) managed to revive his corpse who is a separate person from the one who became god even though he doesn't have a brain
Batman was 100% in the right to have plans to stop (not kill) godlike beings who get mind controlled or turn evil or some shit fairly regularly. The least he could have done though is tell them he was going to do it as a precautionary measure.
The biggest problems are when his plans get hacked and become literal death plans ie Tower of Babel and Brother Eye. Both made more dangerous than he originally created them.
The biggest problems are when his plans get hacked and become literal death plans ie Tower of Babel and Brother Eye. Both made more dangerous than he originally created them.
I fuckin hate this plot lol.
I remember when Batman goes "my weakness is people, take hostages" or some shit like that in his recording and i'm like if you're fucking evil and need a plan to take you down the plan YOU MADE doesnt mean shit AND you still have this dumbass kill the justice league contigency plan you could use against them.
I remember when Batman goes "my weakness is people, take hostages" or some shit like that in his recording and i'm like if you're fucking evil and need a plan to take you down the plan YOU MADE doesnt mean shit AND you still have this dumbass kill the justice league contigency plan you could use against them.
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The actual contingency plan for a mind controlled Bruce is the Batfamily.
I think the contingency plans would naturally work better with more people. Who would have a better chance of stopping evil Superman? Batman or Batman and five other superheroes. And no, the Question isn't usually a Justice League member. He definitely wasn't in this story.
No I wouldn't. Kicking him out of the the League wouldn't make him stop plotting how to kill everyone in it. It'd just make it so you can't keep your eye on him. And I'd be scared that someone who was so paranoid to make plans to kill gods would be less trusting and more likely to execute them if said gods kicked him out.
probably, yeah, it should have been a team discussion
though why the fuck would he need to write this stuff down, does he keep a diary? does killing one of them involve solving a rubik's cube
though why the fuck would he need to write this stuff down, does he keep a diary? does killing one of them involve solving a rubik's cube
The plans were stored in the Justice League computer. If they were needed they'd be available to the Justice League. But telling the Justice League that "Bruce has a plan available to deal with you stored in the League computer" would be a good way of ensuring that Bruce gets dead and those plans get deleted real quick.
What Bruce actually did wrong is shit like what he did with Kyle Rayner where he made him feel like they were forming an honest friendship while Bruce was probing him for vulnerabilities.
There are lots of stories of Superman losing his shit. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
Also who is paying for shit if Bruce isn't in the JLU? Oliver Queen?
No, because you're dealing with entities capable of destroying from the whole planet to the galaxy to maybe even the universe.
Batman was right.
Batman was right.
I realize that, but you'd be willing to bet the entirety of human civilization on it? I wouldn't.
When his contingency plans are compromised and used against the team, yeah that's grounds for expulsion. Doesn't that mean he's always a potential liability to the people he works with?
Plans were to incapacitate, Ra's Al Ghul was the one who tried to kill them. And given the Justice League were revealed to have been mind wiping him several years later, he was right to have them.
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In the mindwipe case he was trying to stop them mind wiping a rapist which probably would've been for the best, so eh I kinda lead towards the League there.
is he so parroinoid that he made contingency plans to kdo ill his friends those being in the wrong and kind of a psychopath? yes
did the plans need to exist? considering how many times a hero turns evil also yes
would i kick him out for doing it? no only because they jla needs to keep him in check, without them well he could go full on robin king
did the plans need to exist? considering how many times a hero turns evil also yes
would i kick him out for doing it? no only because they jla needs to keep him in check, without them well he could go full on robin king
The plans being in the Justice League computer doesn't mean anything because it still just means that the plans would still only be disclosed when Batman decided they were allowed to. And like, having the contingency plans is one thing. That's justifiable but it's that he had them in secret and appointed himself as the sole judge and decider of when to incapacitate a league member. That's unbelievably paranoid and controlling. It shows that Batman does not trust his team and after finding out about it the rest of the league, understandably, doesn't trust him anymore either. Him being kicked out of the league is the only logical thing to do because nobody is going to trust placing their lives in someone who secretly plotted to exploit their weaknesses and incapacitate them.
The last thing I would want is to not be sure where the person who knows how to take me down was. So yeah, I would keep Batman if only to make sure that at least I know where Batman is.
But in this situation, even then I wouldn't have kicked him out. He had plans for everyone including himself. Having everyone in the league know said plans does nothing when one is mind controlled and can share the secrets with the villains.
But in this situation, even then I wouldn't have kicked him out. He had plans for everyone including himself. Having everyone in the league know said plans does nothing when one is mind controlled and can share the secrets with the villains.
See this is why communication is important. You shouldn't hide important stuff like this. If you have friends you care about, and also have contingency plans to kill them in an emergency, don't be like batman. Tell your friends, they will understand.
The JLA has always been a loose collection of individuals, no tight bonds like the Avvengers, New Warriors, or Alpha FLight
The problem with writing stories where the protagonist is a super-genius is that they are only as clever as the author, so the difference needs to be made up by either total ass-pulls (e.g. a character has knowledge that they couldn't actually have obtained), stupidity on the part of their adversaries, blind luck, or good old-fashioned plot armour.
Because he hates that Batman is more popular than Black Panther.
People would have no problem if Panther did the same lol
And honestly I think he would actually agree with Batman on the contingency plans!
Thinking about it, Panther and bats would be great friends lol
I mean they are basically god entities who can and have been mind controlled or turned evil. They have the trust of the public and present one of the biggest threat to civilization. His plans are essential to safety and he's one of the only entities with the funding, ability and brain power to create contingency plans he's practically obligated to.
Comics Black Panther could very much be like Bruce Wayne at times - extremely smart,extremely intellgence but also stubborn to a fault (also the case with Tony and Reed). I do agree with you that comic Black Panther would most likely agree with having contingency plans. MCU BP likely would not though.
Are you on an exclusive seat amongst the most powerful people on the planet who could commit mass atrocities any second, whether by your will or by mental manipulation?
If the League can't even consider just how fucking dangerous they are, then they shouldn't be there in the first place.
It would make sense for him to have plans for the avengers considering they are often state sanctioned and he is the king of a foreign nation
Can you imagine a trump like president controlling a team of super heroes?? Lol
To have contingency plans against members with god level powers is not a bad idea. The bad idea is concentrating it on Batman, that shows how paranoid and controlling he is. The ideal would be that all members know that a plan against each one of them exists but it is only accessible by a handful of the other ones, and maybe two are needed to trigger one plan.
He's right to do so, but it's still a betrayal of trust on his end. At least be open about it. Don't tell them the deets obviously, but let it be known. And there needs to be more checks and balances to ensure the plan can't be enacted on a whim. Maybe a buddy system of sorts.
Anyway, I don't know of I'd expel him in the end, but it'd certainly lean towards that conclusion.
Anyway, I don't know of I'd expel him in the end, but it'd certainly lean towards that conclusion.
noooo what are those hands 😭I mean it beats Wonder Woman's way of dealing with mind control, which is to just straight up murder whoever is doing it.
Superman broke her wrist while he was trying to kill her, and she slid her bracer forward to stabilize it and continue fighting.