100% this. If anything we aren't being hard enough on blizzard. They don't get any points for doing the bare minimum of updated character models when literally everything else is shit.People coming into this thread with flippant comments need to understand this isn't simply a bad remaster that you can easily ignore. People with no intention of buying Reforged are forced to use it, with cut features and content. People are getting a worse game forced on them and erasing all the content the community built up over nearly 20 years.
LmaoWait, really? Okay I retract my flippant comment, that's just wack. Not the most anti-consumer thing a company has ever done (I believe someone in this thread already mentioned Battlefront 2) but still very wack.
I always wonder why publishers aren't getting sued more often for false advertising.
They released this way too early. A very not-Blizzard thing to do, for sure. If I were them I'd offer the legacy version to download as a separate client. That would smooth over a lot of the anger right now.
They'll fix it, of course. Whatever Blizzard's other faults, they do patch their games a lot, and for years. No chance they just leave WC3R like this. (Just hope they fix it soon, and not "Blizzard-soon".)
That said: we should be angry at how Blizzard now owns the rights to the stuff you make in custom maps, cause that actually is some legit bullshit, and has been since they pulled the same thing with SC2, effectively stunting the growth of that game's mapping community. If we're gonna pull the anti-consumer card, let's pull it here, cause that's long past due.
This is a possibility, but there is only so much some old fans can take. As far as I'm concerned, between Diablo 3's auction house (greedy), Diablo Immortal (embarassing, but nothing criminal), Blitzchung (despicable) and this, I'm pretty confident in saying I have no interest whatsoever in what this company can deliver for the time being. Heck, even Starcraft 2 being divided into 3 games was kind of a warning, a sign of things to come.4 months ago:
- Blizzard's handling of the Hong Kong protests is unacceptable
- "Here's Diablo 4"
-Ooh
Soon probably:
-Blizzard's handling of Warcraft 3 is unacceptable
-"Here's StarCraft 3"
-Ooh
Nah, not the worst, Dark Souls 2 & Silent Hill HD are up there with Reforged. It's just Blizzard isn't an indie dev like they pretend to be, they have made around 10 billion dollars from WoW alone, they could have put more budget into Reforged when it's a $30 title.
Downgrade wise. Both advertised far better visuals vs what we actually got.What?
How is Dark Souls 2 on similar lines as the shitshow W3:Reforged.
Downgrade wise. Both advertised far better visuals vs what we actually got.
A lot of older battle.net functionality was killed off and if you want to have a "vanilla" WC3 you have you keep a CD installation as far away from b.net as possible. Also there's a new agreement that if it had existed in 2000 would have made DOTA a blizzard owned IP.I read the OP and I'm left not knowing what the actual controversy is, so when I get to the part of the OP about how it isn't hyperbolic this this time I'm left wonder why.
The downgrade is the big issue, no one uses features like clans anymore, not that Blizzard should have removed them.Visual downgrade is just one point.
But DS2 isn't a remastered or remake of an older game nor does it have the variety of issues W3:Reforged has when in comparison of the original W3:TFT.
The relation is hardly the same.
You cannot play single player custom maps anymore, noone play those anymore too?The downgrade is the big issue, no one uses features like clans anymore, not that Blizzard should have removed them.
The downgrade is the big issue, no one uses features like clans anymore, not that Blizzard should have removed them.
That's pretty lame they removed that & i expect at least that will be patched back in, Rise of the Blood Elves is so good it should have been made official.You cannot play single player custom maps anymore, noone play those anymore too?
The TOS changes so Blizzard owns custom games has been a thing since 2010 with SC2, it's shit adding it to WC3 but that custom games scene was replaced by DOTA2 years ago, no one is making Auto Chess in WC3.Visual downgrade isn't the only issue with W3:Reforged, you might want to check the the long list of issues the new client has and the changes to EULA regarding custom maps.
The singular visual downgrade issue in DS2 is nothing when compared to W3:Reforged.
Thanks, sounds like this actually does legitimately go well beyond a bad port. I end up still thinking the OP is hyperbole in that a lot of the gambling mechanics out there are essentially meant to prey on people with addictive personalities, whereas this sounds like part of the reason it's so bad is that it's terrible in a way that's tailor made for its community.A lot of older battle.net functionality was killed off and if you want to have a "vanilla" WC3 you have you keep a CD installation as far away from b.net as possible. Also there's a new agreement that if it had existed in 2000 would have made DOTA a blizzard owned IP.
I don't think MCC's release crippled any functionality in the original Halo games though.I don't think that anything about the remaster is really anti-consumer in the same way that clearly predatory and exploitative monetary schemes are.
Master Chief Collection is the closest comparison I can think of, and a lot of people would probably say that MCC was worse.
This definitely, the fact that you have to pay for character services drives me mad (in FFXIV too, it feels like a Xbox Live => PS plus situation)It's extremely bad. But "the most anti-consumer act ever committed"? Erm, it's not even the most anti-consumer act committed by Blizzard alone, given their propensity for MTX.
World of Warcraft's exorbitantly priced character services are on a worse level of anti-consumerism, essentially combining all the monetization of both subscription-based and FTP-based MMOs.
The worst single act committed by Blizzard against their legacy content and fanbase? Perhaps.
As has KH3
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I don't think MCC's release crippled any functionality in the original Halo games though.
You and me bothNo lol. Sometimes I feel ashamed to be apart of the gaming community.
Even if you didn't buy Reforged your copy of WC3 is ruined. Reforged replaces the original client/infrastructure as well, whether you like it or not.