Would you prefer the Spider-Man sequel have more "advanced" swinging/traversal?

[Skel1ingt0n]

Let me start by saying I really, really enjoyed Spider-Man on PS4, and I'm currently playing through Miles Morales on PS5 and its a treat - especially at 60fps.

No doubt, the web-slinging and animation system is phenomenal - plenty of reviews mentioned it to the point of parody, but we all know the game lets you "feel like Spider-Man," and I think that has a lot to do with a traversal mechanic that makes you powerful, agile, and an animation system that no matter what you do, it looks dope.

But I gotta say, something that I felt just a few hours into the original is already coming back to me at about the half way point in MM - the "skill ceiling" in these PS games is very low, in regard to traversing. I mean, yes, sure, there are some upgrades available and there is a lot of input from the player in regard to where to sling your web, how you want to pivot off a building, etc.

But the thing about SM and MM is that while almost anyone can do cool stuff and feel great - and no doubt that's what they were going for, so they found success (my seven year old nephew has a blast with this game) - once I've played for a short while, I find myself clamoring for more.

Just off the top of my head, some things I wish were available (and maybe they are and I'm just missing them):

- Ability to hold onto your web even at the end of your arch, so that you can "dangle"
- Ability to hold onto your web at the peak of your arch so that, say, on a crane you can "loop around it"
- Individual buttons for left and right web swinging, so that there's 1) more player input, but 2) you can use to plan a pivot around a building
- Forward launch - think a dive, but as you launch upward or forward for as long as you want to hold it
- Possibly a slow-mo function for doing cool tricks

... to say nothing of the fact there is no "Risk" in ANYTHING you do while web-swinging. None. No risk/reward at all.

Clearly the game is a huge success, and other than at launch, I don't hear many talking about this - so am I alone or are there others that feel similarly?

 

[PunishedPrince]

You can already choose whether you shoot a web line to the right or the left by using the left stick right before you shoot a web line. It's indeed useful for pivoting around buildings.

 

[Pancracio17]

Web swinging is too mindless for me. I know its an unpopular opinion but if it was more technical and complex the game would be much more fun. I think the same of the combat tbh, the combos and moves are too easy and need some complexity.

 

[Greywaren]

More options is always good, so obviously offering a higher skill ceiling would be nice.

That being said, I'm perfectly fine with the current system. I think it's engaging and deep enough and it doesn't need to be more complex.

 

[Jakisthe]

Make it first person.

 

[xxracerxx]

Give the player options. Keep what is there, but offer an advanced web-slinging mechanic if a player wants it.

 

[ciddative]

You can already choose whether you shoot a web line to the right or the left by using the left stick right before you shoot a web line. It's indeed useful for pivoting around buildings.

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If this is true why have I not read it anywhere else?

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[Deleted member 11637]

Nah, effortlessly catapulting across Manhattan is my favorite thing to do in Spider-Man; and MM made the one necessary change of expanding the "tricks" you can pull off.

 

[Professor Beef]

The current system is fine, there's no need to change what already works perfectly.

 

[Yerffej]

It's my main want for a sequel. Make it riskier. Make weaving through buildings more skill based. Jumping off of a building to land like you jumped off of a bed is dumb as hell.

 

[reclaimerzzzzz]

Make it first person.

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And VR.

 

[Derachi]

I am a huge fan of the Xbox 360 game Crackdown. It's a game where the mere act of traversing the world feels great. I might argue Crackdown is one of the best controlling 3D Platformers to ever exist. A close friend of mine told me 2018's Marvel Spider-Man would scratch the 3D world-traversal itch that Crackdown had left me with for a decade.

I am sad to say: it did not. It felt mindless.

Therefore I am firmly in camp of "please make the swinging something I have to put one iota of brain power into."

On a somewhat related note:

I bought a Series X. Crackdown holds up. I am missing 5 of 800 orbs.

 

[Aerial51]

It needs to be faster, way faster imo. I think it's ok that it is relativley forgiving but the Game doesn't reward the player for letting go at the right time with much momentum gained. Point zipping often can be way faster than actual swinging.

I don't think it has to be more complex though, just raise the skill ceiling while keeping the skill floor around the same.
That's what their Combat System did, hoping that can also be translated to the swinging.

 

[IIFloodyII]

I'd love the web to actually have physics (? probably wrong word). Like if you swing under a pole, your web won't just clip through it, but would go taut and generate much more momentum. I think it could open up some great depth to it.

 

[dlauv]

they could offer a harder mode more like SM2 - call it "classic" or "old school" or something. don't make it the standard control set but reward players who use it with potentially faster traversal. i think what they have now is pitch perfect even though it has a low skill ceiling - conversely, SM2 was, in retrospect, fairly janky but the skill ceiling was satisfying. my biggest problem with sm2018 is that web zip, web zip, vault, swing, web zip, web zip, vault, etc. was too optimal. although i'm seeing on this speedrun to be sure that maybe the second web zip wasn't needed.

 

[Enduin]

Definitely think it needs to be tweaked. Right now it's super fun and rewarding, but it's really only great when high up and traveling large distances. Fine minute control and like the ability/option to do impressive stuff when on the ground in a confined area is really limited. If you're not 50+ feet in the air and trying to travel like 50+ fps it's pretty poor, which I think hurts the game as there's really not a lot to do on the ground level where the people actually are outside of combat, and so you feel pretty neutered when not actually swinging around the city which kind of creates this divide between Spider-Man and the actual residents of the city itself. NYC is more of a backdrop and set piece than a real interactive and active participant in the experience. The physical buildings matter more than the actual people and specific locations.

 

[Toa Axis]

I think there should be a toggleable option that enables players who want a less hand-holdy, more involved system. For accessibility purposes, I don't want the current system to be gone entirely, but if I want something a bit more advanced, give it to me via an options menu toggle.

 

[bastardly]

its fun right now, but having control over left and right would be damn sweet.

 

[PlanetSmasher]

Keep it largely the same. I don't want to have to put a ton of effort in to be able to look cool.

 

[Aerial51]

I am a huge fan of the Xbox 360 game Crackdown. It's a game where the mere act of traversing the world feels great. I might argue Crackdown is one of the best controlling 3D Platformers to ever exist. A close friend of mine told me 2018's Marvel Spider-Man would scratch the 3D world-traversal itch that Crackdown had left me with for a decade.

I am sad to say: it did not. It felt mindless.

Therefore I am firmly in camp of "please make the swinging something I have to put one iota of brain power into."

On a somewhat related note:

I bought a Series X. Crackdown holds up. I am missing 5 of 800 orbs.

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Have you played Infamous? I feel like that Game is one of the best in the Genre when it comes to World Traversal, though i wouldn't call it a 3D Platformer and more like a Parkour Game with Superpowers

 

[PunishedPrince]

I would like some more depth but I also like the fact that it's easy to teach my little cousin the ropes and to watch him swing around. I think they should give us more options but not increase the difficulty of swinging at a basic level. I definitely want the swinging to be faster though with us spending less time on a web line and more time soaring after a swing when we start hitting really high speeds.

 

[breakfuss]

And VR.

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Helllllloooooo motion sickness!

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

They could give the option for the "hardcore" gamers but as a filthy casual I rather like how simple it is especially when even my 4 year old can have a good time with it. So either option to toggle swinging differently or keep it the same

 

[Tan]

- Ability to hold onto your web even at the end of your arch, so that you can "dangle"

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You can do this by holding RT and using the left stick to turn back the direction you came. If you keep doing this until you run out of speed he transitions to a dangle animation as if he was webbing off a ceiling

 

[dodo]

I mostly want it to be possible to fuck up. It'd be a lot more exhilarating if it was possible to smack into a wall rather than just coming to a dead stop, for example

 

[Camisado]

What if I could chose which hand to swing from with L2/R2... would that even add anything?

 

[NoKisum]

Make it first person.

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And VR.

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I can smell the vomiting already.

- Possibly a slow-mo function for doing cool tricks

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This is the only thing from the list not in the game already I can see myself wanting.

 

[Canucked]

I think having variable swinging would be best. That way you can have the lowlevel relaxation and entry level for kids but ramp it up if you want to do tricks and shit. A slider maybe

 

[Bulby]

Yeah Id love a full physics based Spiderman. Would piss off 99% of people but Im not into the automatic style of movement as it is.

 

[HonestAbe]

An option for more advanced swinging would be nice. You could toggle the current swinging or something a bit more advanced.

 

[KAMI-SAMA]

I pretty much perfected my web swinging travel in the Spiderman games. I can go from one end to next while never losing momentum. So I would rather keep it mostly the same. I remember Spiderman 2 on PS2 and I loved the web swinging but it wasn't always the best at keeping your momentum cause you find yourself hitting a wall causing you to stop. But it did have great sense of speed. I'm hoping Spiderman 2 can kick that up a notch. Next gen SSD should allow that now.

 

[s y]

A manual mode would be great.

-full physics based seeing, meaning it's possible for players to fuck up, fall damage etc
-able to do stuff on command like slingshots, choosing which arm to shoot webs from , etc

Can keep the auto mode for players who prefer it that way.

 

[WordsintheWater]

Mostly how it is with a couple enhancements, like being able to loop around on poles with the webs would be cool instead of just letting go. But Miles added some cool new things, like the ability to use his Venom powers during traversal which also in turn make you want to use tricks to build it up.

 

[mueske]

I was overall pretty disappointed with Spider-Man. Making the traversal more skill based, as an option, would greatly increase my enjoyment of the game.

It would still have the boring Arkham-style combat... But you can't have everything.

 

[Soj]

Yes, it looks awesome but it's sleep inducing. I want something more like Spider-Man 2.

Make it a selectable advanced mode so people can still play it like it is now if they prefer.

 

[mute]

It seems like a nice happy medium to me. I still have half a game to get through though, maybe I'll get sick of it.

 

[OrangeNova]

Skill based movement would have killed my enjoyment of the game.

I loved it being effortless with a few extra little things.

 

[IIFloodyII]

What if I could chose which hand to swing from with L2/R2... would that even add anything?

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Possibly, would at least give more control, but probably not something they'd do, as L2 is "aim" in combat and traversal, so they'll probably wanna keep it consistent, but a change I'd really like. I think they could find a better and faster solution for gadget selecting (touchpad seems like a good option) and then change R1 to aim, opening up L2 for left webshooter.

 

[YaBish]

I want more options. Being able to pull off different tricks by setting up specific animations is a good start, but I want something more.

 

[Vidpixel]

Only thing that would be kinda cool is controlling each arm when swinging like you mentioned (left trigger, right trigger).

It's more than possible if they make some minor adjustments to the control scheme.

 

[PunishedPrince]

What if I could chose which hand to swing from with L2/R2... would that even add anything?

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Not really since you can already choose which hand to shoot a web line from.

 

[HardRojo]

Make it optional, but I'm fine with the current system. Apparently Miles Morales expanded on the tricks part, so that's cool and I'll see how I feel about it when I play it next month.

 

[KrillinLikeAVillan]

It is super fun as it is, i'm not sure added depth would necessarily make the game more fun in this regard.

 

[Sephzilla]

Why break what's already perfect?

 

[IIFloodyII]

Not really since you can already choose which hand to shoot a web line from.

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You sorta can, but it's not super consistent imo. Sometimes I'll be leaning one way and he'll web from the opposite. Probably the only janky part of the swinging as you can lose momentum from it.

 

[Het_Nkik]

Jumping off of a building to land like you jumped off of a bed is dumb as hell.

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Is that a thing? I was playing Remastered and jumped off a building and Spider-Man refused to shoot a web before I hit the street and he landed in a "superhero pose" with a loud thud and the ground cracking underneath him. Didn't damage me at all, but nothing else about it made it seem like a soft landing.

 

[MechaMarmaset]

I would love more ability to screw around with the webs. I don't necessarily want skill swinging, but more stuff to do with them. Like I think if Kojima's team made web slinging, what kinda fun shit would they throw in there? Every time I play one of their games I go, "I wonder if I could..." and then it does something novel. I want that sort of novelty with webs. Stuff like you could tear a postoffice box off the street and then throw it into your web and watch it bounce off and interact with other stuff. Maybe slingshotting ability. Or the ability to fail. Spiderman is super strong, so he can take the hit. It'd be fun to be able to accidentally just crash into traffic and bounce off a car or something. Or tie up random people on the street. Or make a trampoline house between a few skyscrapers up in the sky. Or stuff in the sky can interact with webs that you put between two buildings, like a helicopter might crash or pigeons come and sit on it. Just little novelty stuff like that.

 

[Slacker247]

I thought it was decent but also kinda boring at the same time. I definitely won't call it bad, no way. But I found traversal got mundane fairly quick. Purely personal, but I think it needs a ton more variety in animations. They've done a lot, but I still found myself bored seeing the same played-out animations. I feel like a Japanese developer would've got way more creative with the options and animations created. I think some posts here are touching on the same thing i.e. more different outcomes based on played swinging animations, etc.

 

[PunishedPrince]

You sorta can, but it's not super consistent imo. Sometimes I'll be leaning one way and he'll web from the opposite. Probably the only janky part of the swinging as you can lose momentum from it.

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Yeah you can lose momentum from doing so but that's mostly because the game automatically chooses the best angle for speed. Anything else is gonna get you less speed and is more useful for changing directions like the OP says. Also, I'm playing Miles right now and it seems pretty consistent. I guess it depends on how far away you are from a building but typically if I point to the left, he'll shoot a web to the left and the same for the right. It works well enough to the point where I feel the left trigger can be put to better use for something other than choosing which side to shoot a web.

 

[Issen]

There's no need to add risks to the web swinging, it's freaking awesome just to pull off and have it look good. If you screw something up, your punishment is that it doesn't look as stylish or smooth. That's enough, IMO.

But absolutely do add extra options, such as more types of stunts, or perhaps stunts that you do off actions like jumping off the R2+L2 moves, off wallruns, etc.