Clearly you haven't meet these BC people
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-third-beach-drum-circle-covid-19-1.5658909
Would you consider moving to Canada if situation does not improve in the U.S.?
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Already working on leaving Brazil behind, my luck is that my SO is a software developer, so there's a lot of routes open for us. I have some friends in Halifax, so maybe.
But if you aren't a skilled worker, you're going to spend a shitload of money with education to immigrate.
But if you aren't a skilled worker, you're going to spend a shitload of money with education to immigrate.
If you're trying to argue we shouldn't have borders and anyone should live wherever they want, I agree with you. But we have a border and you're not just entitled to live on the other side of it because you want to. There are people in horrible impoverished and war torn countries who have been waiting years for an opportunity to move here. Again, I'm not saying we dont want Americans, but your country just way way way at the bottom of the list. That's it. Make your country a better place to live in the mean time.
I wouldn't say its low so much as its concentrated to the big cities, namely Toronto and Montreal. I'm from a suburb nearby Toronto and growing up I had more black classmates than whites, the whole community was mainly working-class immigrants and minorities.
Weather wise? Demographics? Scenery? Vancouver. It's a fucking awesome city.
More excitement, entertainment, tech and everything else? Toronto, and not even close.
Most multicultural city on the face of the planet!
Everyone should have the right to improve their situation. None of the Americans posting here are responsible for the "slide into fascism, racism, and tyranny." In fact, a lot of us have been fighting it for longer than many of you have even been alive. When it comes down to the end, I'm not going to stick around, roll the dice, and hope the US doesn't become a version of 1940s Germany. "It could never happen here." - fuck that.
Haha this is so true. My family got in when immigration was more lax, these days, there's no way we'd make it through.
Okay, so using your mentality why should they not stay there and "make their country a better place to live?".
I don't think anyone immigrates to another country deliberately wanting to make it a worse place.
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You are responsible for making your country a better place. If you choose not to, that's fair. I'm not encouraging you to not leave the US, I'm just encouraging you to not live here because we want people here who want to make this country a better place.
Your posts read as if you think that all 330M+ Americans personally led to Trump and all of the horrific policies he introduced.
And yours, and other folks', reads like you think being an American should give you cart blanche to live wherever you want in the world. Maybe we should read more of what each other are saying instead of trying to read into what each other are saying.
Sorry. Double post. I'm out. I've said my piece. I love Americans btw. I love your country. I want you to make it better.
Trudeau lost the popular vote to the Conservatives. We're probably looking at a Conservative government in Canada and Democract in US the next election cycle. That's something to consider
I think people blindly saying "yes" haven't really looked into how difficult the process of immigration is; especially in a developed nation like Canada.
I looked 12 years ago when I was about to graduate high school. I wouldn't be able to get citizenship then, and I haven't done anything now to change that. So if it were possible I would have already tried.
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Most rich celebrities are also not the type of people that are suffering from police brutality and not being able to work due to covid-19 and have no saving go fall back upon.
Not at all. I don't think Americans have any more right to emmigrate than others.
Personally, I've lived overseas and enjoyed it, but I have no intention of leaving the US now.
Your post about how Americans in particular are unwelcome is fairly clearly indicating that you hold individuals accountable for the actions of their government, at least when they're American. There's no real need to read into it.
Isn't that part of the whole "consideration" part of the thread title though? Obviously choosing to immigrate is a huge decision and not really something everyone has the privilege of being able to do willy knilly.
I'm not skilled or wealthy enough for the expat experience to any other country to not be systematically designed to try and keep me out at every step. Probably not.
Nope
i love where I live and I'm not going to give up on it or the people that don't have the privilege to move where they want
i love where I live and I'm not going to give up on it or the people that don't have the privilege to move where they want
Not everyone feels a strong sense of loyalty to the country they live in and all your post seem dismissive of how stressful and draining it can be for some people to want to bring change which is why living in another country is an option some consider.
Sadly I couldn't. I am on a life saving medication that unfortunately Canada's healthcare system has not been able to approve for the country. I believe they are stuck in negotiations with the manufacturer, though the NHS and other European countries have made agreements with the manufacturer so the approval might come soon. As long as Canada can't provide it I will stay in the US. If anyone is interested in reading about the drug and the hold-up with Canadian approval I'll link the article here:
Canada and Trikafta
Canada and Trikafta
And again, they have means. Most don't. That means most ppl are stuck
Don't kid yourself... Plenty of Canadians are unable to work due to covid with no savings to fall back on. Plenty of Canadians deal with police brutality. Is it better than in the US? maybe.. on the surface, but those problems exist here too.
You clearly haven't been paying attention to the polls; even with a major scandal, the LPC are still leading the CPC by a not insignificant margin at the moment. Not saying you can't have issues with the LPC's policies but assuming that the next Premier will be a Ford/Kenney-level con disaster is asinine, especially when we have a minority government during a pandemic; people are not going to want a massive shakeup at this point.
Conservatives in Canada have a personality problem. The people in their leadership are the blandest, most vanilla white guys imaginable (Harper, Scheer etc) and if they went the Trump route of going for a charismatic populist it would push too many people away to be viable.
No. The only place I could survive winter would be Vancouver, which is way too expensive to buy a house. Even if I lived over an hour outside the city, I'm sure I still couldn't afford a place like I could buy here in the US.
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Yeah, they have the mean to. But they have no need to move, they're capable of riding this shit out. The average person most likely don't have the mean to ride it out without government assistance and they're the demographic most affected by all this.
Your logic that celebrities have the mean to move and they're not moving. Yeah, because they don't need to.
Literally didn't say Canadians aren't dealing with all of this. But at least your government is pushing for changes in the right direction.
Ours is actively fighting against positive changes.
Toronto winters aren't terribly cold...basically like upstate NY.
And again if you don't have the means, you're not moving. It's really an impossibility. Forget celebrities. Talk about yourself or other average Americans. Without means you can't leave
I'm Asian-American and I live in the Bay Area. Assuming I can continue to afford living here, I'll stay put. It's unlikely that I would qualify to move to many other western nations and even if I did most wouldn't be any more diverse or culturally welcoming as where I already am.
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That's not what your original point is though. Your post implied that most average Americans won't leave cause they don't want to, not because they don't have the mean to.
My family immigrated to Canada 30 years ago. They would not be able to do it if they did it today.
"As an American, no offence but I wouldn't want Mexicans moving here in large numbers"
Sincerely,
Any GOP member.
Well, I've lived in Phoenix AZ all my life. Once it gets below freezing I'm at my limit.
I've also never been to the north east US so I wouldn't know how it compares.
Also, isn't Toronto also really expensive to live in?
I wouldn't put any effort into it but if I could snap my fingers and be there with the same quality of life I have now I would definitely go
