Worst examples of "Yes, but..." approaches to sequels
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I didn't even mind Bonnie neglecting Woody. Young kids change their minds fast. I have kids that age. Their favorite toys today are not necessarily their favorite toys tomorrow.
But for Woody to completely abandon his owner after three movies worth of "Andy NEEDS us!" just because he wasn't his new owner's favorite is shit. It completely alters the motivation of the character in the previous film from one of a selfless hero to a completely self-centered douchebag.
The first one is not a "yes but". There is nothing contradictory. Luke felt ashamed and disappeared. Then Rey shows up, and he still doesn't want anything to do with it.
The second isn't killing "its big bad", because the movie posits Kylo as the series' real villain. Because there is nothing fucking interesting about another old man in a chair.
This is not a "yes but." The first movie doesn't say anything to imply her importance beyond obnoxious fan expectations that you can't be a Jedi unless eugenics, apparently.
Why is this bad? Until the prequels, that's what people thought the Force was. A thing you believe in and connect with. Something interesting and spiritual vs. "Can we run a DNA test to see what level of a force jump I can do?"
It's not that he isn't the favorite, it's that he's being completely ignored.
Rey's parents did sell her for drinking money BUT it was all a trick cause she's a Palpatine! Surprise! The force really can't come to anybody, only those born from force blood.
Oh and Finn but we're barely going to touch on that.
Not to harp on JJ but also "A new universe for the classic Trek crew to explore in new ways for a new generation of fans BUT let's do Khan again instead."
Oh and Finn but we're barely going to touch on that.
Not to harp on JJ but also "A new universe for the classic Trek crew to explore in new ways for a new generation of fans BUT let's do Khan again instead."
Even if that's the case, he went ignored for how long? A couple months at the most? Bonnie didn't age all that much from the start of the movie to the end.
"Loyal to the end" Woody changed to "fuck that kid" Woody with the quickness.
Yes, Link to the Past is a prequel detailing the first incarnation of Link and the origin of Ganon, BUT OoT actually has the origins of Link and Ganon EXCEPT that there was another Link before in Minish Cap and it explains how he got his hat YET Skyward Sword actually has the very first Link who already had his hat and also Ganon May or May not be a totally different guy or something.
not to be the "ack-tually..." guy but LttP being a prequel was more played up by localization (i still find it odd they named the game around it, i know they couldn't name it Triforce of the Gods in the west but still weird). i don't recall OoT being a prequel at all though that insipid historia timeline retroactively made it so. minish to my recollection was a prequel but not so much a flat out origin story
Lots of shounen battle mangas. Yes [insert protagonist's name here] learned super-duper powerful new abilities to beat their antagonist. But then they're back to being chumps when it's their kids turn to fight their own stronger antagonists.
Jumanji: The Next Level immediately came to mind.
"Yes, they destroyed the game and console at the end of the first movie, but Spencer feels useless now because he's not Dwayne Johnson anymore, so he secretly kept the game and console and miraculously fixes it".
I honestly liked both movies, but the setup for The Next Level is pretty bad.
"Yes, they destroyed the game and console at the end of the first movie, but Spencer feels useless now because he's not Dwayne Johnson anymore, so he secretly kept the game and console and miraculously fixes it".
I honestly liked both movies, but the setup for The Next Level is pretty bad.
It probably doesn't matter, given the genre, but several Friday the 13th sequels qualify, I think.
Jason drowned in the lake as a boy? Yes, but he actually didn't and now he's all grown up and ripe for murderin.
Jason's dead? Yes, but not really.
Jason's dead and buried once and for all? Yes, but we're gonna dig him up just to check on him, and then he'll become a superpowered zombie.
Jason drowned in the lake as a boy? Yes, but he actually didn't and now he's all grown up and ripe for murderin.
Jason's dead? Yes, but not really.
Jason's dead and buried once and for all? Yes, but we're gonna dig him up just to check on him, and then he'll become a superpowered zombie.
OoT was basically the imprisoning war told to you at the start of LttP. It was pretty obviously a prequel, even when it first came out.
OoT shows Ganon's origin as Ganondorf, a wicked man from the desert.
OoT is absolutely a prequel and always was, hell it climaxes with Ganondorf transforming himself into Ganon (as he appeared in the previous games) and being sealed away. It was very loosely showing the backstory described in ALTTP.
Nintendo needs to make two games that end the perpetual curse (within their respective timelines) so they can focus on one timeline again. Then Nintendo should split the remaining timeline again.
I think the point here was that it was a "Yes, but" of JJ's intentions for the story.
That's just the backstory. The premise is 'what if that little girl grew up to emulate Bateman and be hit on by William Shatner?'
