Hal Jordan becoming Parallax. Not that I particularly cared about Hal Jordan because he's usually somewhat boring (there's plenty of better Green Lanterns), but that wasn't a good move for him.
The main character of the Mission: Impossible TV show being revealed as a traitor and villain in the first Mission: Impossible film, just so that Tom Cruise can replace him as the protagonist
I remember Goldberg's explanation for his heel turn during a promo on the following Nitro was literally "Why the hell not?"
The spy Reccoa Londe from Gundam Zeta changes sides because she is infatuated with the bad guy after she meets him once on a espionage operation aboard his ship.
She goes from "Our cause is the just cause, the other side is evil" to " I'll kill my friends If you ask my love"
Pretty much every Tomino anime has this terrible changing sides thing that never feels natural and is horribly handled. And it's usually against women.
What's your reasoning behind this?
I am beyond your concepts of morality
Tangled the Series / Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure had a villain turn that dragged down the whole series.
Cassandra turning evil at the end of season 2 was a shocking twist and everyone was waiting for season 3 to give a good explanation.
We never got a good explanation. The songs tried as hard as they could to sell how unsatisfied Cass was working with Rapunzel and how she outshined her, but it made zero sense for this to go as far as to make Cass turn evil.
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And the show itself seemed like it was fighting as hard as it could against the story being imposed on it, with Cass and Rapunzel getting along just fine when they actually sit and talk but then contriving reasons for Cass to mistrust her. And this cycle just kept repeating over and over until the finale, vacuuming up time that could be spent on anything more interesting.
The worst part is that the show had a much much better version of this story in season one, with Varian.
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Varian turning evil made sense, it was much more emotionally investing, there were dramatic irony elements where if Varian knew what the audience knew then he wouldn't have gone so far but then by the end he feels he's too far gone to go back. But then, as we learned later, this was only intended to be a meaningless subplot for season one and the showrunner was frustrated that everyone got so attached to Varian. His storyline got hastily resolved in season 3 with essentially a complete character reset. Even so, in his song with Cass, he's still by far the most compelling part.
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It all felt very strongly of something they had planned from the beginning, but they failed to take into account how the characters would develop past the outline phase, and this resulted in a plot development that felt completely incongruous with how the characters actually acted.
Sting is probably the worse offender, even if it was the Wolfpac.
there's a reason for thisWas i crazy or did she have more chemistry with Rap, then Rap's own husband?
That is why I fuck with you.
Sounds like you talking about Red HoodForced resurrection of a character that becomes a villain who can't do anything too bad because he needs to become a hero again later.
Another vote for Sasuke.
His initial defaction to Orochimaru/the villain side made sense. Kid Sasuke's "whatever the costs" amoral pursuit of power was interesting and I'd even go far as to say well-written - a deeply flawed, troubled teen, whose ego, self-worth, and purpose were suddenly undermined by the Village Idiot surpassing him, and a string of humiliating losses (Haku, Rock Lee, Gaara, etc.).
But then you have him go from perhaps neutral evil to batshit insane chaotic and its like what. He becomes an iredeemable radicalised terrorist. There might have been an interesting point to be made there - some analogue about marginalised youths joining radicalist groups, and then being progressively brainwashed over time - but Sasukes trajectory just makes so little sense
Well it is the same company that thought Rey Mysterio should lose his mask.I remember Goldberg's explanation for his heel turn during a promo on the following Nitro was literally "Why the hell not?"
Not even the slightest logical justification. Just a dumb swerve for the sake of a swerve.
Honestly, Kishimoto trying to make him a hero again was what I found less convincing.
The village ordered his brother to kill his entire family and all of their people, then lied to Sasuke about it so Sasuke would keep fighting for them. Sasuke only found out about the truth after his brother essentially tricked him into suicide-by-cop. Sasuke swearing off the village for good would've made FAR more sense than his convoluted "I will be the Hokage by acting like Garou from OPM" nonsense...but Kishimoto was hellbent on Naruto "saving" Sasuke, logic be damned.
Was i crazy or did she have more chemistry with Rap, then Rap's own husband?
Him going to Orochimaru made sense.
Even Superboy Prime turning into a villain is bad because it didn't go anywhere except for him to become a proxy for the writers to make fun of the fans. (it's bad for other reasons too)That is why I fuck with you.
See i saw this thread yesterday and tried to think of a good example. And honestly I couldn't think of a good example of a hero turn villain. So by default they all suck. There are a few amusing ones(Hindsight Lad, Black Cat), but none I would say were good. Damn sure none that were needed
Well, he was trying to bring out some demon that if he killed it would destroy the devil gene.
Even Superboy Prime turning into a villain is bad because it didn't go anywhere except for him to become a proxy for the writers to make fun of the fans. (it's bad for other reasons too)
I literally cannot think of a single instance of a hero turning villain in superhero comics that has ever gone well or been well received by the fans.
Maybe the most recent Namor heel turn? But even then I was just waiting for him to turn good again.
And he's always been an anti-hero honestly, even before that term existed.
The main character of the Mission: Impossible TV show being revealed as a traitor and villain in the first Mission: Impossible film, just so that Tom Cruise can replace him as the protagonist
Mission: Impossible's Jim Phelps? That didn't go over very well.
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Going to disagree with this, Reed trends selfish and shitty at best except for 616 and is one of the heroes who's alternate selfs are most likely to be evil/self serving.
It does thoughHim going to Orochimaru made sense.
What didn't make sense was how he abruptly becomes a complete sociopath during the Kage Summit.
Namor doesn't count. Plus he has a built in excuse.Even Superboy Prime turning into a villain is bad because it didn't go anywhere except for him to become a proxy for the writers to make fun of the fans. (it's bad for other reasons too)
I literally cannot think of a single instance of a hero turning villain in superhero comics that has ever gone well or been well received by the fans.
Maybe the most recent Namor heel turn? But even then I was just waiting for him to turn good again.
And he's always been an anti-hero honestly, even before that term existed.
Agreed. One of the few things from the Ultimate universe I actually liked was Maker.Going to disagree with this, Reed trends selfish and shitty at best except for 616 and is one of the heroes who's alternate selfs are most likely to be evil/self serving.
And Maker is a great villain, not just Reed but evil, more how different someone could be if you just make a few different choices.
Daenerys Targaryen wasn't a hero imo, she was a conqueror, her rule of Mereen was a shamble, she compromised on slavery, letting the masters sign contracts with their slaves, she reopened the fighting pits where slaves like Tyrion and Jorah were being taken to fight. Even after all these, an insurgent army group were rising up against her, she brought lords to the dragon pit, to intimidate or burn them, whether they were proven being guilty or not of being the insurgents' leaders. Once she had finished playing Queen in Mereen to seize Westeros (She has no claim to)...she left the land in martial law, under the control of a blood thirsty mercenary who told her he didn't care about the people who lived there.Daenerys Targaryen. A revolutionary who freed slaves and defeated the White Walkers, randomly starts burning down KL after she wins the war against Cersei. Made absolutely no sense.
Even Superboy Prime turning into a villain is bad because it didn't go anywhere except for him to become a proxy for the writers to make fun of the fans. (it's bad for other reasons too)
I literally cannot think of a single instance of a hero turning villain in superhero comics that has ever gone well or been well received by the fans.
Maybe the most recent Namor heel turn? But even then I was just waiting for him to turn good again.
And he's always been an anti-hero honestly, even before that term existed.
it is really funny how fucking awful Jin Kazama became with his "good intentions" starting a world war while his "evil" dad and grandpa were just kinda jerks