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Worst examples of a hero becoming a villain?
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Came to post this, except I did care, he was my favorite super hero (made somewhat boring in the late 80s, but interesting before that).
Sasuke Uchiha.
I'm sorry, but after his actions in the Kage Summit.
He was a villain through and through.
Also Liu Kang in Mortal Kombat and Superman in Injustice.
Mostly because these were done under the thought process of "Our noble hero is boring. Let's make him evil to make him more interesting."
I'm sorry, but after his actions in the Kage Summit.
He was a villain through and through.
Also Liu Kang in Mortal Kombat and Superman in Injustice.
Mostly because these were done under the thought process of "Our noble hero is boring. Let's make him evil to make him more interesting."
If he'd been a completely different character it would have been a good twist.
I remember Goldberg's explanation for his heel turn during a promo on the following Nitro was literally "Why the hell not?"
Not even the slightest logical justification. Just a dumb swerve for the sake of a swerve.
The spy Reccoa Londe from Gundam Zeta changes sides because she is infatuated with the bad guy after she meets him once on a espionage operation aboard his ship.
She goes from "Our cause is the just cause, the other side is evil" to " I'll kill my friends If you ask my love"
Pretty much every Tomino anime has this terrible changing sides thing that never feels natural and is horribly handled. And it's usually against women.
Kael'thas from Warcraft is a big one for me. Having him be an evil raid boss in WoW made no sense for the character he was in Warcraft III, and Blizzard had to bend themselves and the lore into pretzels to try and have it make sense. They threw away a great lore character for the sake of a cool raid boss.
it is really funny how fucking awful Jin Kazama became with his "good intentions" starting a world war while his "evil" dad and grandpa were just kinda jerks
Yup. Tomino loves to either have women become blinded by "love" or just go crazy from trauma, and then makes the main character put them down like animals so he can feel sad about it. Male characters are almost never treated the same way and it's SUPER obvious the more you look for it.
What's your reasoning behind this?
His reason for the betrayal makes sense given what we're shown in the movie.
Tangled the Series / Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure had a villain turn that dragged down the whole series.
Cassandra turning evil at the end of season 2 was a shocking twist and everyone was waiting for season 3 to give a good explanation.
We never got a good explanation. The songs tried as hard as they could to sell how unsatisfied Cass was working with Rapunzel and how she outshined her, but it made zero sense for this to go as far as to make Cass turn evil.
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And the show itself seemed like it was fighting as hard as it could against the story being imposed on it, with Cass and Rapunzel getting along just fine when they actually sit and talk but then contriving reasons for Cass to mistrust her. And this cycle just kept repeating over and over until the finale, vacuuming up time that could be spent on anything more interesting.
The worst part is that the show had a much much better version of this story in season one, with Varian.
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Varian turning evil made sense, it was much more emotionally investing, there were dramatic irony elements where if Varian knew what the audience knew then he wouldn't have gone so far but then by the end he feels he's too far gone to go back. But then, as we learned later, this was only intended to be a meaningless subplot for season one and the showrunner was frustrated that everyone got so attached to Varian. His storyline got hastily resolved in season 3 with essentially a complete character reset. Even so, in his song with Cass, he's still by far the most compelling part.
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It all felt very strongly of something they had planned from the beginning, but they failed to take into account how the characters would develop past the outline phase, and this resulted in a plot development that felt completely incongruous with how the characters actually acted.
Was i crazy or did she have more chemistry with Rap, then Rap's own husband?
Sting is probably the worse offender, even if it was the Wolfpac.
there's a reason for this
the showrunner fell in love with cassandra and wanted everyone to love her so he kept pushing her
...and got super salty that everyone wanted more varian instead
his crush on cass and pushing her lead to a huge dropoff in ratings and got the show cancelled
also he stalked a bunch of cass/rapunzel cosplayers so...
I don't remember anything specific, but I remember getting extremely bored when watching Tokyo Ghoul and this happened.
Another vote for Sasuke.
His initial defaction to Orochimaru/the villain side made sense. Kid Sasuke's "whatever the costs" amoral pursuit of power was interesting and I'd even go far as to say well-written - a deeply flawed, troubled teen, whose ego, self-worth, and purpose were suddenly undermined by the Village Idiot surpassing him, and a string of humiliating losses (Haku, Rock Lee, Gaara, etc.).
But then you have him go from perhaps neutral evil to batshit insane chaotic and its like - wut
He becomes an iredeemable radicalised terrorist. There might have been an interesting point to be made there - some analogue about marginalised youths joining radicalist groups, and then being progressively brainwashed over time - but Sasuke's trajectory just makes so little sense, and its so poorly written it hurts
His initial defaction to Orochimaru/the villain side made sense. Kid Sasuke's "whatever the costs" amoral pursuit of power was interesting and I'd even go far as to say well-written - a deeply flawed, troubled teen, whose ego, self-worth, and purpose were suddenly undermined by the Village Idiot surpassing him, and a string of humiliating losses (Haku, Rock Lee, Gaara, etc.).
But then you have him go from perhaps neutral evil to batshit insane chaotic and its like - wut
He becomes an iredeemable radicalised terrorist. There might have been an interesting point to be made there - some analogue about marginalised youths joining radicalist groups, and then being progressively brainwashed over time - but Sasuke's trajectory just makes so little sense, and its so poorly written it hurts
That is why I fuck with you.
See i saw this thread yesterday and tried to think of a good example. And honestly I couldn't think of a good example of a hero turn villain. So by default they all suck. There are a few amusing ones(Hindsight Lad, Black Cat), but none I would say were good. Damn sure none that were needed
Neo Lorrnoke aka Phantom Pain
Forced resurrection of a character that becomes a villain who can't do anything too bad because he needs to become a hero again later.
He's so bad at being evil that his evil organization calls him incompetent at every turn.
What about the heist? He did that right at least!
Well, if doing a heist makes you a good villain then Danny Ocean is the devil.
Forced resurrection of a character that becomes a villain who can't do anything too bad because he needs to become a hero again later.
He's so bad at being evil that his evil organization calls him incompetent at every turn.
What about the heist? He did that right at least!
Well, if doing a heist makes you a good villain then Danny Ocean is the devil.
Honestly, Kishimoto trying to make him a hero again was what I found less convincing.
The village ordered his brother to kill his entire family and all of their people, then lied to Sasuke about it so Sasuke would keep fighting for them. Sasuke only found out about the truth after his brother essentially tricked him into suicide-by-cop. Sasuke swearing off the village for good would've made FAR more sense than his convoluted "I will be the Hokage by acting like Garou from OPM" nonsense...but Kishimoto was hellbent on Naruto "saving" Sasuke, logic be damned.
Well it is the same company that thought Rey Mysterio should lose his mask.
This is also why I don't understand the logic behind Sasuke marrying Sakura and having a daughter with her still in the village.
Ignoring that I always thought he was asexual anyway, I don't think he should've ended up with anyone.
The younger sister from the new Netflix Resident Evil series. Nothing else even comes close in terms of stupidity.
I feel Trails games have so many villains that go hero and vice versa.
I'm sure it is explained later, but I haven't gotten through this long ass game to find out. Wouldn't be surprised if it was just love or some such nonsense.
Sharon being the weirdest one to me. Suddenly switches sides, never explains anything as to why she follows the obviously evil man other than he's alive now, and for good measure, takes off most of her clothes.
I'm sure it is explained later, but I haven't gotten through this long ass game to find out. Wouldn't be surprised if it was just love or some such nonsense.
Came here to post this.
Stone Cold Steve Austin as well. Never, ever, ever should have turned heel.
Its a shame really. A better writer could have done something with the fact that here's this young boy, plucked from his home, and told he's going to be the biggest fucking deal ever and given immense power. His mom is killed despite all this power and the people mentoring him who he legit looks up to are telling him emotions are bad. Just that alone could cause anyone to become a fucking nutcase.
instead of...whatever we got.
Him going to Orochimaru made sense.
What didn't make sense was how he abruptly becomes a complete sociopath during the Kage Summit.
Even Superboy Prime turning into a villain is bad because it didn't go anywhere except for him to become a proxy for the writers to make fun of the fans. (it's bad for other reasons too)
I literally cannot think of a single instance of a hero turning villain in superhero comics that has ever gone well or been well received by the fans.
Maybe the most recent Namor heel turn? But even then I was just waiting for him to turn good again.
And he's always been an anti-hero honestly, even before that term existed.
Well, he was trying to bring out some demon that if he killed it would destroy the devil gene.
Didn't work.
Ultimate Reed Richard.
Heck Ultimate Universe have a lot of heroes turn villain.
Originat Actor reprise his role but quit in the mid way filming after learning his character fate.
Heck Ultimate Universe have a lot of heroes turn villain.
Originat Actor reprise his role but quit in the mid way filming after learning his character fate.
Going to disagree with this, Reed trends selfish and shitty at best except for 616 and is one of the heroes who's alternate selfs are most likely to be evil/self serving.
And Maker is a great villain, not just Reed but evil, more how different someone could be if you just make a few different choices.
It does though
He found out the brother he hated actually loved him and was forced to massacre their family by the government
Namor doesn't count. Plus he has a built in excuse.
I think the villain from The Twelve kinda counts. But not really because no one remembered them. ANd the book took too long to finish.
Agreed. One of the few things from the Ultimate universe I actually liked was Maker.
Daenerys Targaryen wasn't a hero imo, she was a conqueror, her rule of Mereen was a shamble, she compromised on slavery, letting the masters sign contracts with their slaves, she reopened the fighting pits where slaves like Tyrion and Jorah were being taken to fight. Even after all these, an insurgent army group were rising up against her, she brought lords to the dragon pit, to intimidate or burn them, whether they were proven being guilty or not of being the insurgents' leaders. Once she had finished playing Queen in Mereen to seize Westeros (She has no claim to)...she left the land in martial law, under the control of a blood thirsty mercenary who told her he didn't care about the people who lived there.
OP
OP
What did Namor do now?
Nah. Heihachi and Kazuya were pretty bad. Heihacha with the throwing son off cliff thing and he and Kazuya did shady stuff with the Zaibatsu like corporate sabotage, smuggling, murder, extortion etc. But Jin took it to the next level. And Kazuya is still continuing the war Jin started.