Wow, so all the children who burned to death in teldrassil went straight to hell
to be fair they are elf children.
Wow, so all the children who burned to death in teldrassil went straight to hell
What about these Sylvanas retcons? I'm not watching and am not seeing anything about that on wowhead.
Ah, I see. The stuff with The Jailer. Huh...
Guess I am going to farm Shadowmourne after all.
The killing of the Lich King comes later though. All the killing she has done has made her stronger, she will obviously have enough power by the time she takes on the LK. Not really a retcon, more a procon.
Oh I get her taking down Bolvar (though he's not dead), I assumed the retcon was saying she's been working with the jailer since the end of Wrath.
One thing I'm confused by...
Are the new death knights created before Sylvanas destroys the helm? Or does Bolvar somehow maintain that power even after the helm is destroyed?
One thing I'm confused by...
Are the new death knights created before Sylvanas destroys the helm? Or does Bolvar somehow maintain that power even after the helm is destroyed?
I believe the stated answer here is Bolvar creates the new Death Knights prior to the cinematic, knowing that Sylvanas is coming. Similar to how any Death Knight prior to Shadowlands goes all the way back to before Wrath in the timeline.
that's it yeah.
Her being heroic in Legion has been retconned to "she was just trying to be Warchief/gain power"
which literally doesn't match the in game cinematics but ok. I'm done with their story they've decimated for her. Just give me the expansion, lol.
One thing I'm confused by...
Are the new death knights created before Sylvanas destroys the helm? Or does Bolvar somehow maintain that power even after the helm is destroyed?
I, flatly, don't believe them. Everything from the mechanics to the narrative points to them doing a soft "reboot" and dissolving the current faction system. Maybe not this x-pac, but it's coming. The divide makes no sense anymore and with the player base dwindling YoY there's no reason to continue it. It's not like the story content is markedly different once you get past a certain point.Fuck, alliance and horde playing together shot down. I figured this was the case when it hadn't been mentioned yet but they really fumbled the writing. It really seemed things were heading that way. Very disappointed.
Is anyone else seeing an odd language on the blizzard shop page? That's the only one and on my account page it says it's still set to english.
I don't think Bolvar needs the helm to make Death Knights.
The Legion class campaign has you (the Deathlord) raising Trollbane, Nazgrim, and Whitemaine as Death Knights.
Why is it a retcon? Even if it's stupid, couldn't it truly, feasibly have been a long con?
lol
That can be explained away as her just acting.
However...
There's external fiction that gives her actual thoughts, and that is harder to explain away.
Maybe Sylanas wants to free us from death.
That said, not only her character has been handled poorly, but the voice actress makes it worse. In the shadowlands cinematic, I couldn't help but laugh anytime she spoke
so the consensus from various youtuber interviews seems to be that Shadowlands is VERY early and it might be like a December 2020 release (in fact Preach says he heard December 2020). In fact, that seems like a theme for Blizzcon, every game got a "I dont know when it will come out" response (D4 certainly, but OW2 also apparently)
BfA beta (or well, "alpha) opened up shortly after the blizzcon reveal I believe? That definitely doesn't seem to be the case here.
"Just acting" doesn't work for the players though. Not in my opinion, at least.
It's just another example of "GOTCHA!!" writing which isn't good or clever. Yeah, it boils down to multiple writers handling a set of characters over the past few years but nothing in her motivation showed her being this blatantly psychopathic character and as Royal said, there's potential motivations there that could have been handled well.
People who are trying to go ITS OBVIOUS SHES BEEN EVIL THIS WHOLE TIME are laughing it up right now but if they step down for a second and actually look at it objectively you can see a clear shift in when her motivations changed, not in character, but just from a writer's standpoint. I think that no one knew what to do with her or whatever and they've just decided another horde leader should be the greatest evil.
Kill her off. Let's be done with this mess. Just, for fuck's sake, stop making the player factions leaders go insane. It's a terrible story beat. Give it a rest.
Patty Mattson was probably just given the direction of "Soap Opera villainess from the 80's. Think General Hospital's Helena Cassadine but dialed up to 11." and went to town. She's a great VA but Blizzard really just wants you to know how E V I L she is lol
Controversial opinion coming - I quite like it. Though I do agree that waiting until a future patch is too much. I definitely approve of the loremaster part of the requirement though, rather than a simple level cap requirement, since it means you know the lands you're flying over really well. I think it's a good balance between the obvious QoL benefits of flying, and ensuring players don't miss out on environmental narrative and immersion while questing for the first time.Keeping Pathfinder sucks ass. I already know I won't want to level alts until I get Pathfinder, which means it feels like an obligation, and it's not fun at all. I don't know how it's contentious. Who's out there going "I absolutely do not want to be able to fly until a year after the expansion comes out and a shitty grind?" Just let people fly at max level and be done with it ffs.
It's odd, right? Over a year of BfA still to go, and how much new content over that year? One of the things I really appreciate about ESO is how consistently they put out new content. Never more than 3 months from the next patch, and every 6 months is a new zone. I know Blizzard keep saying they want to move towards smaller but more frequent expansions (and they'd better lower the prices a bit if they ever do that...) but it's weird to see them keep acknowledging this issue and consistently failing to sort it out.so the consensus from various youtuber interviews seems to be that Shadowlands is VERY early and it might be like a December 2020 release (in fact Preach says he heard December 2020). In fact, that seems like a theme for Blizzcon, every game got a "I dont know when it will come out" response (D4 certainly, but OW2 also apparently)
Yeah if it was just Loremaster and you could unlock it as soon as the expansion is out I'd be fine with it. It's mostly being forced to do boring WQs for weeks that gets me, and having to wait until x.2. It's far too long. I probably agree with you that it's the best middle ground, though I wouldn't be upset if they just let players fly all the time, because flying is fun. Getting dazed off your mount is not.Controversial opinion coming - I quite like it. Though I do agree that waiting until a future patch is too much. I definitely approve of the loremaster part of the requirement though, rather than a simple level cap requirement, since it means you know the lands you're flying over really well. I think it's a good balance between the obvious QoL benefits of flying, and ensuring players don't miss out on environmental narrative and immersion while questing for the first time.
I do completely understand that a lot of players don't care for questing and immersion, but I do think Pathfinder mostly gets the balance right between the issues on both sides of the problem. Though again, I agree that it should be achievable from the start of an expansion for the players that just want to rush through the quests/rep because they appreciate the QoL benefits more than most.
It's odd, right? Over a year of BfA still to go, and how much new content over that year? One of the things I really appreciate about ESO is how consistently they put out new content. Never more than 3 months from the next patch, and every 6 months is a new zone. I know Blizzard keep saying they want to move towards smaller but more frequent expansions (and they'd better lower the prices a bit if they ever do that...) but it's weird to see them keep acknowledging this issue and consistently failing to sort it out.
D4 is an even weirder issue given they've targeted the PS4/Xbone, but clearly won't be launching the game until they're considered last gen consoles. Any competition is going to look a whole generation ahead =/
Yeah, dazed has always been an awful mechanic. I have no idea how that's still a thing.Yeah if it was just Loremaster and you could unlock it as soon as the expansion is out I'd be fine with it. It's mostly being forced to do boring WQs for weeks that gets me, and having to wait until x.2. It's far too long. I probably agree with you that it's the best middle ground, though I wouldn't be upset if they just let players fly all the time, because flying is fun. Getting dazed off your mount is not.
that's it yeah.
Her being heroic in Legion has been retconned to "she was just trying to be Warchief/gain power"
which literally doesn't match the in game cinematics but ok. I'm done with their story they've decimated for her. Just give me the expansion, lol.