Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)
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Wait, is techno popular in Brazil? I know a few years back they had a really thriving drum and bass scene over there, and I do know techno is pretty big in other parts of South America (i.e. Chile and mnml). Gui Boratto of Brazil, while I'd consider him more progressive or tech-house, is world famous.
I'm not that much of a fan of techno nor know enough if there's a scene for it here, from lucio's backgroung he should be into brazilian funk, which is... not the most kid friendly music genre.
His brazilian dubs has lots of lines referencing funk songs and they are easily the funniest things in the game
The D'n'B and EDM scene in Brazil is much more lively in LGBT circles , more specificaly gay/bi clubs and bars ...
But yeah any electronic music that's heavy on the beat is generally more appreciated in bars I would go to .
The Fighting game video is pretty good, even if a little shallow.
The Comments are .... better than average I guess ?
Most of the shit thing in the comments is about the video featuring a trans woman.
Now I am starting to wonder what a boob armor would look like on a wolf ... would it have lots of bumps vertically ?
The Comments are .... better than average I guess ?
Most of the shit thing in the comments is about the video featuring a trans woman.
Notice the very profound lack of Boob Armor ...
Now I am starting to wonder what a boob armor would look like on a wolf ... would it have lots of bumps vertically ?
Core-A Gaming is a rather positive Youtube channel and the comments usually reflect that. Doesn't mean that you aren't going to find some shitty stuff here and there, but it's one of those examples of how you can actually have a Youtube comment section that isn't a hellhole if the content on the channel doesn't lead people in that direction.
Platy Althought they went the "Lola Bunny style" route in the sense of they are boobied but fully anthropomorphic, I'm actually glad that they came up with designs that show that you can give boobs to an anthropomorphic animal like creature without going full fur porn .
(Although word of adivce don't go googling the names of Armello characters on rule 34 ... you will feel sorry )
So I'm personnaly rewarding those devs quite a lot they created badass BBW characters , didn't felt like sexualizing them , nor did they sexualize the skiny ladies too . And every time they released new characters it was always in a group of 4 , 2 being men 2 being women . Like you know real equality
Tizoc Shame they didn't interview Kayane and Krystelle as well. But given where they were exactly during those interview I ain't too surprised. Still it's a bit of a shame to be so asia centric on this one.
(Although word of adivce don't go googling the names of Armello characters on rule 34 ... you will feel sorry )
So I'm personnaly rewarding those devs quite a lot they created badass BBW characters , didn't felt like sexualizing them , nor did they sexualize the skiny ladies too . And every time they released new characters it was always in a group of 4 , 2 being men 2 being women . Like you know real equality
Tizoc Shame they didn't interview Kayane and Krystelle as well. But given where they were exactly during those interview I ain't too surprised. Still it's a bit of a shame to be so asia centric on this one.
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I know it's pretty off topic, but I never understood why he has no real accent. But then again, Mercy speaks like the purest form of High German which no one in Switzerland does.
American voice actor doing a brazilian character, honestly, i know why they chose jonny, he is perfect for the role despite no accent, but it's a bit of a bummer. At least he went all the way to try learning portuguese lines to the point of saying them with no american accent, which was something i thought it was impossible to do in less than 5 years for any english speaker xO(the vowels are just too different)
Yeah now that I think about it, I can't think of many non-Asian FG female players @_@ Would've been nice to have heard their input.
Acctually breaking down your own accent is all down to how much emotionnaly you want to learn the language.
Studies have been made and are counter investigated as we're speaking but it's been 10 years that counter study after counter study we find out that people losing their accent generally have an emotionaly positive attachement to the process of learning the language. While those who never lost their accent accrued nothing but negative experiences tied to their learning of the language.
Maybe, familiarity and how much you use it are also key, as it is being able to think in that language, i had a friend in linguistics that said you'll only speak without accent the moment you are able to think in the language you're speaking, and honestly, that helps a lot, as you're not translating it as you're talking
Problem with english and portuguese is that we have a lot of phonems and exceptions in writing that makes it very confusing for newcomers, and impossible if you came from some languages, for example, i've known folks from japan that lived here for years and still can't pronounce some words because japanese doesn't have those sounds :/
Not to mention some languages that rely in you having an specific build so your throat can make the sounds and all @-@
I do like this explanation though, makes jonny's results at speaking portuguese much more wholesome <3
That part happens waaaay before you're losing your accent it's actualy the base requirement you need to be able to think your sentences directly in the language if you want to hope to lose your accent and sound like a native.
That means he had a good teacher that manage to passionate him to the subject ;)
fam, he asked to do the lines, he already loves us <3
People were too bothered by lucio not having br lines so he really wanted to make up for that, that guy is adorable, really irl lucio i-i
Another positive example that I have on the top of my head is all the androids in Assault Android Catcus.
Although maybe the SD look is off putting to some of you.
I dunno I found all examples to be badass and fairly desexualize.
Heck even Liquorice could have been turned into Vixen Dominatrix and yet they went for just plain saddistic with glasses and vorpal blade.
Although maybe the SD look is off putting to some of you.
I dunno I found all examples to be badass and fairly desexualize.
Heck even Liquorice could have been turned into Vixen Dominatrix and yet they went for just plain saddistic with glasses and vorpal blade.
Platy you'd be surprised how much some SD female designs are actually quite sexualized and because of the SD look adds this eerie sense of "underage and yet not" type of vibe ...
So it's actually the opposite for me I was so used to see the SD look used in an uber sexualized fashion that seeing AAC going for something that is just science fictionny and straight up action orientated that it stood out from the crowd for me ...
(then again I'm french and we're Japan's second market for any and all anime and manga stuff , and we get way more of the creepy shit than any other country in the world ... so maybe I'm bathing in a cultural bath that's not helping me seeing the SD style in a positive light )
So it's actually the opposite for me I was so used to see the SD look used in an uber sexualized fashion that seeing AAC going for something that is just science fictionny and straight up action orientated that it stood out from the crowd for me ...
(then again I'm french and we're Japan's second market for any and all anime and manga stuff , and we get way more of the creepy shit than any other country in the world ... so maybe I'm bathing in a cultural bath that's not helping me seeing the SD style in a positive light )
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I know what you mean .... specially the ones that the heads aren't even that big
My cute Caco doesn't count . Somebody drew it up for me .
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I know what you mean .... specially the ones that the heads aren't even that big
And when you enter a store like "Le Furet du Nord" and most of what you're surrounded by on the first floor is SD figurines that are uber sexualised female character with and SD art style it's hard to not be tired of SD being used for "bulbous boobs and bulbous butts" sakes...
New in FE Heroes. Azura now has trousers! But still manages to look ridiculous. She's borrowed Dana's 'heavy armoured hips' which obviously makes total sense with her exposed flanks and boobsocks. Also paired with ornate, heavy-armoured upper arms, and some not-very comfortable looking tit ornaments. When she gets shot out of the sky by an archer it's going to sound like someone dropping a box of drum kit cymbals off the Eiffel Tower.
Still, at least she's a flier (rides a Pegasus) in comfy trousers rather than riding a lizard in a g-string (hi Camilla).
Still, at least she's a flier (rides a Pegasus) in comfy trousers rather than riding a lizard in a g-string (hi Camilla).
True, although I recall a breast envy joke at her expense during the aforementioned Amazon Pandora sequence.
"someone's overcompensating!"
"Feeling a little inadequate, Viridi?"
seems vague enough to me to not be a breast envy joke in particular as opposed to overall beauty, since Pandora's breasts aren't given highlight, so this one's a bit arguable
But perhaps I'm being obtuse.
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since this thread loves to talk about armors and my last question exposed that we have br people in this thread, let me leave you with this:
In Saint Seiya the more powerful or the higher your status the fuller the armor is (she is a goddess).
Kurumada really tries to put more women in his works but he just can't help himself...
I mean she doesn't have cup boobs that is like a milestone for him!
In Saint Seiya the more powerful or the higher your status the fuller the armor is (she is a goddess).
Kurumada really tries to put more women in his works but he just can't help himself...
I mean she doesn't have cup boobs that is like a milestone for him!
since this thread loves to talk about armors and my last question exposed that we have br people in this thread, let me leave you with this:
In Saint Seiya the more powerful or the higher your status the fuller the armor is (she is a goddess).
Kurumada really tries to put more women in his works but he just can't help himself...
I mean she doesn't have cup boobs that is like a milestone for him!
He...he does realize armor is kind of useless if you can cut their limbs of with ease because they are unprotected right?
To be fair, i don't remember a single Saint Seiya armor with limb protection, male or femalesince this thread loves to talk about armors and my last question exposed that we have br people in this thread, let me leave you with this:
In Saint Seiya the more powerful or the higher your status the fuller the armor is (she is a goddess).
Kurumada really tries to put more women in his works but he just can't help himself...
I mean she doesn't have cup boobs that is like a milestone for him!
The only difference from the men's armor is the lack of spandex pants
First of all, that armor is absurdly over designed. I had to stare at it just to figure it out. It's just this wall of same looking overlapping plates. But you betcha' my eye was immediately drawn to the bright white thigh window in the middle of that mess.
The armor in Saint Seiya basically exists to give you DBZ superpowers.
Think of it like Super Saiyan transformations.
The fighting game scene is not unlike other esports scenes in that it has a lot of work to do towards equal sex representation. I am reminded once again of people saying even on here that women have all the tools and opportunities to make it big in esports. But as usual, these people glance over structural injustice, mistreatment and other issues that keep women out of the professional gaming space.
Shame this video is focused on Japanese players only. There is a North American Tekken player named Cuddle_Core, who not only is a woman, but also black. She has to take a lot of shit, but is an inspiration to me and I am sure others.
I've been mulling about the concept of a female video game character, that is sexual in a non-objectifying way.
My thoughts were:
I started thinking about this a bit more recently when I discovered a cool band called Bridge City Sinners. The singer in the band is to a lot of guys I've met, definitely not their type, but the way she acts and sings, just makes her so much more fascinating, beautiful, charming and engaging, in comparison to someone who just looks like her on a photo.
Slightly NSFW, cleavage: https://youtu.be/wNi5X2NUbZ8
My thoughts were:
- She's designed by a woman, so it's not wish fulfillment from a male POV.
- The character is sexy in a realistic way, and not one that's got insane proportions and revealing outfits. I'm thinking of someone whose visual sexiness, tells a story of someone who loves themselves, who wants to look good in a certain way. Less about horniness, and more about sense of style and agency to look and feel a certain way.
- Whose sexual appeal is fitting for the story and themes of the game.
I started thinking about this a bit more recently when I discovered a cool band called Bridge City Sinners. The singer in the band is to a lot of guys I've met, definitely not their type, but the way she acts and sings, just makes her so much more fascinating, beautiful, charming and engaging, in comparison to someone who just looks like her on a photo.
Slightly NSFW, cleavage: https://youtu.be/wNi5X2NUbZ8
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Interesting. Here are a few of my thoughts. Let me know what you think.
I really don't believe gender – or sexual orientation – have anything to do with this. Artistically speaking, a heterosexual man is absolutely able to design a female character that has sex appeal and sensuality in a realistic and respectful manner. I think it has more to do with maturity levels of a person, and the real end goal of the creation.
Since we're talking about video games, the end goal of such a product is – more often than not – to sell. Unfortunately, too many game creators (and publishers) still think that the best way of reaching the most people and selling the most copies is still to design some female characters like if they wanted to appeal to the brain of a teenager with a very high hormone level. I think it's due to a kind of misplaced economic conservatism and a misreading of a market in evolution, but that's a subject for another time.
Absolutely! I mean just think about the last time you've met someone you were seduced by, or really attracted to (man or woman). I'm pretty sure it wasn't specifically because that person was wearing a skimpy outfit or because of the proportion of their sexual features. That's not how seduction or sexiness work. It has a lot to do with attitude, and how it is communicated.
Like you say, many problematic female character designs in video games have more to do with horniness than sex appeal and sensuality. A bit like in the sex workers' industry where, in many cases, revealing outfits and sexual features are put forwards because that's the product being sold.
Very, very important. I agree.
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I'd like to argue that sexiness and attractiveness should not be considered when designing a character at all. Or in other words, it should not be the visuals of the character that have me take an interest in them. A female soldier does not have to be conventionally beautiful, and so it is not a quality someone should focus on when designing a female soldier. I am not saying that there should not be visually attractive soldiers anymore at all, but I am tired of the first design criteria for female characters being how attractive they are to the player, male and female both. I'd argue the same for male characters, but it really is not as much of an issue for them.
This is true, there's so many female characters designed to be sexy that never actually have sex. It annoy me so much. There has to be a reason for them to be designed sexy, if you are going to be designed that way. It shouldn't be the defacto thought process. I think that's why I like Isabela from DA2 so much (though design improvements could be made like some trousers), yes she's sexy but she actually does talk about having sex and does so without the main character, and is unashamed It's refreshing to actually see a female character actually have sex on her own, withou doing the whole "dress ridiculously sexy but actuall be a shy awkward pure waifu" thing that plagues female character design. I wonder does anyone else know a character like that in another video game? I know people talk about Bayonetta but from what I've heard, depite people saying she's in control of her sexuality, i don't think she actually has sex with anyone?
I'd also add that you can very easily have those attractive characters sprinkled in there, but they don't need to all be conventionally attractive (hell, just one character that falls into that spectrum is probably enough). Having a good variety means you can, effectively, have your cake and eat it, too - provided that said characters are drawn as characters and not as, say, one-dimensional stereotypes or whatnot.
A good mark of quality is when the characters in a work read as people and not as blatant plot devices that are there purely to push a specific narrative.
I'm always saying it, but, well, the blunt truth is that video game writing sucks. Like, really, really sucks. And one of the biggest issues (aside from bad writers trying to write around the medium, instead of embracing it) is that characters are rarely treated as actual people with rounded personalities, goals, and interests.
Reality is, though, that few developers would want to hire a decent writer when they know their audience will gobble up shit and claim it ambrosia.
Agreed on female soldiers but attractiveness could be considered for some other types of characters. Like if your character is a singer, an actor, a seductive "type" (e.g. a charismatic vampire), etc.
But surely unkempt facial hair, saying the fuck word, and NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE THE BAD MAN are some of the deepest and most mature subject matters in all of writing???
Reminder that writers for a video game based on the Lord of the Rings, one of the first modern examples of what we consider fantasy, thought it was good writing to turn Shelob into a sexy women who was slighted by being rejected from Sauron and secretly a good person....somehow.
Attractiveness is such a subjective thing, too! Which makes it all the more jarring when The Hero is always attracted to the same basic cliches (oh, those feisty redheads!)...
Shame this place wasn't around for that - I could've broken a world record the amount I ranted about it XD
You are right, there definitely should be exceptions. Like others have said, the appearance needs to fit the occasion and in some cases profession of the character.
Yeah, and when someone is actually written well and has a "sexy" design everyone just copies the sexy part so there's 500 bad knockoff 9Ss in video games without anything that made 9S likable in the first place.
As to like attractiveness, the character should be able to exist without "sexy" as the one and only character trait or any of the stale otaku trope traits like housewife or instantly with love with the bland main character. Oh, and some body diversity would be nice so I don't have to look into other mediums or queer video games to actually see women with the same body type range as men (looking at you, overwatch.)
My hot new mature video game has you fill out tax forms and spend hours trying to find that one part that broke on your mower
But Dary! This gives her character! Obviously this means she was improved by this game's writing.
That excuse made me want to pull my hair out.
It's funny because I have a thing for redheads IRL and I still think it's an overused cliché for strong female character 101 in games and other media. It always feels tacky.
You don't want to know where I went for someplace to rant about that.
Idk, pretty sure Carmen Sandiego was drawn by men and still she gets the other two factors checked, it really isn't that hard...
These last few posts have been funny to read because I'm playing Vampyr right now. And there's a "strong female character" who is a redhead. 😂
She's legit cool though and not a cliché at all (so far). Also, she's a beautiful vampire (and
but she's not sexualized in any way... even though they'd easily have some Thermian excuse there. But Dontnod are better than this, thankfully :)
She's legit cool though and not a cliché at all (so far). Also, she's a beautiful vampire (and
and a potential love interest? I definitely sensed chemistry here.... hope she won't turn into some sort of cliché'd betrayal shite
Man, Carmen Sandiego...that takes me back...
...I was one of those kids who liked Time over Earth though...
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