Yeah, definitely true about Fenris, his backstory is pretty wacky.
It works in Dragon Age Origins but that's cus the only imply it and don't show it, and it's not happening to "sexy women" either. It's also one part of the overall story so not the big focus. And they also have multiple strong female characters who they don't make victims of, so it doesn't feel like they are putting women in a specific role either.
I thought it worked but I can see why it would bug others - I'm not completly opposed to rape being in stories as long as it's handle well and not fetishized which I think DA does well. And DA is one of the few franchises where it's not a female-only treatment either. I thought they handled it very well with Fenris.
Or with men. Would make about as much sense. Yet oddly, that's not how it works, it's always (sexy) women. The only case like this I can think of is the Alien franchise, and even that's not quite the same..
It's not really making women pregnant so far as tainting them and making them darkspawn - it's how the Blight works in Dragon Age, it infects living things most of the time killing them - the darkspawn themselves infect the world around them, making so the land can't bare crops and sickens animals, people. Like I said, it implies rape:I didn't play Dragons Age but can't comment, but if it's another "monster breeding with human women" then its bad in my book, even if it doesn't imply sexy women.
As Machachan says, it tells you when this is usualy never used for men, the same fantasy that monsters can make human women pregnant can make human men pregnant.
If it isn't about it then ignore my post lol
Mind you, I'm not talking necessary about rape stories . I'm talking about those "monster making women pregnant" stories. I find it incredibly degrading and I'm not even a woman. Nothing about it makes a kind of sense when you analyze how such a species could exist.
Remember reading how they wanted with Alien to make men unconfortable about sexual violence (something that is usually targeted against women). Alien is still nonsense but a liitle less, because it's parasitic instead of women somehow getting pregnant with other species, but the most important thing is that we see it happening to men, women, and animals.
Between Raz, Minerva, Crymeria (Who I want to like but fuck she sucks), the lolis and the general who, QUITE LITERALLY, wants to rape your tank to death (seriously, that's not a joke), I kind of lost interest in VC4.
I thought it worked but I can see why it would bug others - I'm not completly opposed to rape being in stories as long as it's handle well and not fetishized which I think DA does well. And DA is one of the few franchises where it's not a female-only treatment either. I thought they handled it very well with Fenris.
I thought the Broodmother stuff was fine but I found the City Elf origin handled a bit too heavily - it felt a bit much. While it made sense that elves in the society would be more likely treated that way, it still felt a bit more shock for my liking - I felt like there was a better way of writing/framing what happened. I felt DA2 with Fenris and the Tranquiled girls was handled alot better.I can only speak for myself, but while DAO didn't go too far with it's rape scenes, and most definitely tried to avoid sexualizing those incidents, the game did go to that well maybe one too many times for my taste. DAO has many strong female leads, and even a few good supporting characters, but their use of rape sometimes rang as an attempt to prove how adult and mature the story was.
I wouldn't compare it to goblin slayer beyond some very mild connections, and the intents of the series are almost polar opposites, but I think there is a discussion to be had about why fantasy series seem to frequently use rape as a source of drama.
I thought the Broodmother stuff was fine but I found the City Elf origin handled a bit too heavily - it felt a bit much. While it made sense that elves in the society would be more likely treated that way, it still felt a bit more shock for my liking - I felt like there was a better way of writing/framing what happened. I felt DA2 with Fenris and the Tranquiled girls was handled alot better.
I think that is the problem that they do want to highlight the injustices against women - and rape is used as a symbolism for that. Unfortunately while it does feel like it can be used too often, I never feel like it's unrealistic because it's something that is sadly way too common in real life. But games don't have to be realistic all the time either, and women need escaspism too so infrequent use of rape as a storytelling device tends to be better as it allows women (and men too) to have a break from it while also increasing the impact the few times you do use it. I also forgot how bad that Dalish story was - the curse was cool but they could have come up with a much better story for it. I actually really enjoyed more what they've done with elves since then especially in DAI,I can understand that, and I think DA2 handled this a lot better than DAO. I find it funny that the Dalish story was the one that just crossed the line for me. I think the bigger problem is that a lot of writers want to use sexism and sexual violence to make commentary on misogyny, especially in fantasy stories. The problem is that it seems to become their most common tool.
I also think you need to make a hard distinction between series that depict rape, and those that fetishize it. DAO, Game of Thrones, and their like should be criticized for their over reliance on rape to show how hard life is for women. However, I feel like there is an ocean of difference between those series and pure dreck like Goblin Slayer.
Some David Eddings novel has dryads that are always female and capture human men for breeding. Pretty sure they just look like (conventionally attractive) human women, though. Cause all female fantasy monsters do, after all. Unless I was reading that into it. Not like there were any pictures.Or with men. Would make about as much sense. Yet oddly, that's not how it works, it's always (sexy) women. The only case like this I can think of is the Alien franchise, and even that's not quite the same..
Dryads experience sexual euphoria when given chocolate, a tactic Belgarath used to his advantage to avoid capture.
Stories of supernatural entities kidnapping humans for sex/marriage is as old as human civilisation (it evolves with the times: Gods, faeries, angels, demons, aliens...)Isn't the abduction of human males to reproduce a typical aspect of 'dryad lore' in fantasy literature?
Okay, throwing this question out here:
Why are people so staunchly defending Goblin Slayer like it's this monumental piece of fiction? Like, it seems like a pretty standard Isekai series with heaping helping of rape. It even does the popular manga series thing of just turning into a series of generic battles.
Is it 'cause it "triggers the SJWs?"
Not sure if it's been talked about yet, but yesterday I finished playing The Missing, the new game by Swery; it's puzzle platformer slash horror game starring a queer woman and it's the most emotionally powerful game I've played in years. It's hard to convey everything great about it without spoiling it, but I'm legit shocked a narrative this empathetic and nuanced came from a niche japanese game.
Stories of supernatural entities kidnapping humans for sex/marriage is as old as human civilisation (it evolves with the times: Gods, faeries, angels, demons, aliens...)
Sure, but I was referring specifically to dryads, and the fact that men are usually the weaker party in this relationship.
Seems I really need to look into "The Missing" more. Those limb mechanics though @_
Seeing as computer games/rpgs borrow heavily from fantasy which borrows heavily from mythology, it's also interesting that depictions of the dryad, despite it's origins as a tree-nymph or sort of genus loci, is almost never paired with the Satyr, the equivalent male embodiment of sexualised, carefree nature spirit. Even though the goatlike aspect was later added by the Romans (through Faunus), it's also a rare example where the male creature is (if only a little) more monstrous than the female. Or perhaps that's later Christian interpretation of nature spirits that like drinking, partying and sex as demonic rather than companions and almost avatars of Pan and Dionysus. Going back to the whole 'sexualised female monsters but not the male ones' thing, it reminds me of Succubi and Incubi, where if a game calls for a sexy demon in lingerie to turn up and both flirt with and fight the player, the former is incredibly common, the latter not so much!Yeah but even here... the dryads are usually portrayed as impressed/happy with the male attention, and the dude often gets away unscathed, other than being displaced by a century.
The contrast to what happens to women is huge. I mean, GS specifically does its best to assure the audience the women in question were irreperably broken. That's almost never the case for a dude kidnapped by a dryad.
And... I don't really want to point this out, but a lot of the monster portrayals in fantasy has very ugly crossovers with "icky non-whites stealing our women" propaganda, too. Particularly in western fantasy.
Yeah but even here... the dryads are usually portrayed as impressed/happy with the male attention, and the dude often gets away unscathed, other than being displaced by a century.
That would require Scamco to care more about the franchise. Several of the character models are the same ones from SC4 and/or SC5. They did not even carry over a bunch of the CaS equipment, some of the pieces having been usable since SC3. My guess is to sell it to us in the season pass. The game received little to no advertising and was having to compete against the disappointment of SC5, which is showing in the sales info we know for it now. I would not be surprised if the higher ups will be done with the franchise after the season pass content is all released.Wow, that's really nice! If it weren't for the proportions, I'd say it looked kinda Wind Waker-ish. It'd be funny to see them go with this design and see people make arguments as to why it doesn't work. Too bad NB would never do it.
While I'm banging on about mythology, I think part of it goes back to story/quest narratives (as told/compiled by men) in that the men seeking out adventure and encountering sexualised female creatures are, by their nature as protagonists, depicted as brave, resourceful, sanctioned by higher powers and/or well-equipped. Usually when a woman in these stories encounters a sexualised creature she's not the protagonist, it's not her choice and the act of her being preyed upon in her sanctum by the agency of the creature itself is just as much pictured as an affront to her (human) male admirers. As such, you get the difference between, say, Harker's dramatic escape from the brides of Dracula contrasted with the vampire's attacks on Lucy and Mina. That sexual-agency-as-adventurer, alongside the fascination with desire and infatuation and then rape runs through a lot of stuff.I can only suppose that this can be traced to the fact that men are to this day viewed as the 'stronger half' - so much so that I've seen people assert that male rape does not exist. Not people that I consider worth of any attemtion, but still.
Also, I can't not think at the not-so-unusual double standard that if a man fucks a lot, he's a winner; if a woman does, she's a slut.
:-)Your waffling is a much better topic than Goblin Failer. :)
The "agency adventurer" really runs quite deep, even way back to Odysseus.
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This is the Trump administration in action:
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Not sure if it's been talked about yet, but yesterday I finished playing The Missing, the new game by Swery; it's puzzle platformer slash horror game starring a queer woman and it's the most emotionally powerful game I've played in years. It's hard to convey everything great about it without spoiling it, but I'm legit shocked a narrative this empathetic and nuanced came from a niche japanese game.
The catch is that it uses mutilation as core mechanic (it's not very graphic at all, but still) and it's really hard to show what the game is like without it looking like torture porn... But it's really not and it actually important part of the story, but again, spoilers.
It's quite a good game mechanically too, which I hear it's new for him lol (never played a Swery game before, but I'm definitely never skipping one from now on)
The more interesting competition would be who didn't get an insta-quadruple bingo with that character designAnyone up for a game of bingo? Here's Aversa's artwork, the latest addition to Fire Emblem Heroes (character originally from FE Awakening).
I've got outfits painted onto breasts with no nipples, weird anatomy, zetta-ryoki, arrow pointing to crotch, focus on thighs and breasts as the key parts of the art, battlefield stilettos and combat suspenders on my board so far.
Speaking of, it amusing me that succubi are now seen as sexy when they're in fact the result of night terrors.
It's actually correct.
It's a bit of both as far as I remember. The Malleus Malificarum claimed Succubi took semen (hence wet dreams etc) so that demons could reproduce, using Incubi to impregnate human women (hey, there's that obsession with monster rape again!) and leading to physically disabled children etc. Justifying even more abuse. More modern theories link the word to sleep paralysis through 'night terrors', the feeling that something is sitting on your chest and restricting your breath.
Etymology
The word is derived from Late Latin succuba "paramour"; from succubare "to lie beneath" (sub- "under" and cubare "to lie in bed"),[1] used to describe the sleeper's position to the supernatural being as well. The word "succubus" originates from the late 14th century
Not all porn is equal. The rape-y kind of porn is very problematic. Non-rapey porn that still treats women as nothing but wham-bam-done sex objects for men is less so but it's not wholly unproblematic either. There are just too many men who get their only "education" about sex from porn and then they don't understand when real life generally isn't like that and women aren't satisfied or don't appreciate being treated as sex objects with no free will or right to refuse and that every situation alone with a friendly woman is an automatic invitation to stick their hand down their pants or worse.What's the concensus on dead or alive extreme beach volleyball? I have no problem with it because it's so honest about being what it is: soft porn. Objectification is the whole point. I respect those who despise it, but then you should be against porn as well.
I've never got it either.Okay, throwing this question out here:
Why are people so staunchly defending Goblin Slayer like it's this monumental piece of fiction? Like, it seems like a pretty standard Isekai series with heaping helping of rape. It even does the popular manga series thing of just turning into a series of generic battles.
Is it 'cause it "triggers the SJWs?"
Well, this game's sounding less and less appealing by the second. Between this and Goblin Slayer getting so much push lately, I'm having a real hard time connecting with things people are into talking about all the sudden. Just as a general rule of thumb, I prefer to avoid things that are that blatant with their horrible fetization of just about everything awful you can have happen or implied to happen to the characters.Between Raz, Minerva, Crymeria (Who I want to like but fuck she sucks), the lolis and the general who, QUITE LITERALLY, wants to rape your tank to death (seriously, that's not a joke), I kind of lost interest in VC4.
Well, this game's sounding less and less appealing by the second. Between this and Goblin Slayer getting so much push lately, I'm having a real hard time connecting with things people are into talking about all the sudden. Just as a general rule of thumb, I prefer to avoid things that are that blatant with their horrible fetization of just about everything awful you can have happen or implied to happen to the characters.
People should be watching That Time I Reincarnated As A Slime instead of Goblin Slayer. It's still got big anime tiddies, but the main character treats everyone well and the world isn't set up to give you periodic rape scenes. And it has a tsundere dragon of unimaginable power
Yeah, guess that's essentially what it keeps coming down to.At the end of the day, anime gonna anime. And VC4 triples down on the anime.
(BTW, I saw the pilot of the cartoon from your avatar, it was dope).
Interspecies breeding is a thing. Women are the ones with the capability of becoming pregnant when... "compatible" semen is involved. The idea itself isn't misogynistic or unrealistic. It's how it's used.I didn't play Dragons Age but can't comment, but if it's another "monster breeding with human women" then its bad in my book, even if it doesn't imply sexy women.
As Machachan says, it tells you when this is usualy never used for men, the same fantasy that monsters can make human women pregnant can make human men pregnant.
If it isn't about it then ignore my post lol
Mind you, I'm not talking necessary about rape stories . I'm talking about those "monster making women pregnant" stories. I find it incredibly degrading and I'm not even a woman. Nothing about it makes a kind of sense when you analyze how such a species could exist.
Remember reading how they wanted with Alien to make men unconfortable about sexual violence (something that is usually targeted against women). Alien is still nonsense but a liitle less, because it's parasitic instead of women somehow getting pregnant with other species, but the most important thing is that we see it happening to men, women, and animals.
Men don't have the history of ovjectification for it to be anywhere on the same scale.Ok, I get the frustration in respect of oversexualized characters. But where's same frustration about Twilight-style movies with topless young boys in it? Doesn't it really seem like the other side of the coin?
Interspecies breeding is a thing. Women are the ones with the capability of becoming pregnant when... "compatible" semen is involved. The idea itself isn't misogynistic or unrealistic. It's how it's used.
Ok, I get the frustration in respect of oversexualized characters. But where's same frustration about Twilight-style movies with topless young boys in it? Doesn't it really seem like the other side of the coin?
Ok, I get the frustration in respect of oversexualized characters. But where's same frustration about Twilight-style movies with topless young boys in it? Doesn't it really seem like the other side of the coin?
The idea that this "frustration" doesn't exist is cute. Hilarious even. Have you never noticed the backlash to ANY women-aimed story with romance? Have you never seen the gargantuan hatred neckbeards screech over and over about stuff like, well, Twilight? Have you never seen gamers lose their shit the second a final fantasy character that was male had a slightly sexualized design?
So, first issue with your line: It exists. Men especially overreact constantly to women-aimed stories that have even slight fanservice. Bashing women-aimed stories is culturally normalized. If anything, this thread is providing the missing other side of the coin, so you've got that one backwards.
Second isssue: Topless young dudes are not the equivalent of sexualized outfits for female characters. This is:
So we've got some catching up to do.
The idea that this "frustration" doesn't exist is cute. Hilarious even. Have you never noticed the backlash to ANY women-aimed story with romance? Have you never seen the gargantuan hatred neckbeards screech over and over about stuff like, well, Twilight? Have you never seen gamers lose their shit the second a final fantasy character that was male had a slightly sexualized design?
So, first issue with your line: It exists. Men especially overreact constantly to women-aimed stories that have even slight fanservice. Bashing women-aimed stories is culturally normalized. If anything, this thread is providing the missing other side of the coin, so you've got that one backwards.
Second isssue: Topless young dudes are not the equivalent of sexualized outfits for female characters. This is:
So we've got some catching up to do.
It's not that women are "supposed to breed" (or rather, men are "supposed to breed" just as much, they just can't carry a child), just that they have the necessary organs that if there was another species with the capability to breed with humans, they are biologically the only sex with the ability to grow a life in the traditional way. I guess they could make female trolls who rape men to impregnate themselves...Only with species withing the same genus. You won't see a cat and a dog breeding, or a gorilla and a zebra. And you won't convince me than a troll and a human have similar genetics. It's also a rare ocurrence and more often than no interspecies between animals is forced from human's hand, rather than something happen naturally (not always, of course).
Only in rare cases like horses donkeys you can breed with different species (mules) but that means that the offsprings are sterile anyways, so a species that exist though interspecies of different genus breeding is literally impossible to survive for multiple reasons.
At that point, the only thing left is "fantasy", and with fantasy you could do a lot of things othen than the "women getting raped to breed" (see: Alien example). To me , the idea that "women are supposed to breed therefore anything can make them pregnant no matter how are the rules of nature" is objectifying and simplifying.
I don't want to get into an argument between Berserk and Goblin Slayer, it's clear as day Berserk is better, but it does fall into these tropes too. I mean, as much as men suffer and are raped too, it's not neither as common nor as graphic as with women (we tend to forget that it doesn't only matter if men are also raped, but how are these action depicted/drawn vs women agressions, this is a more global thing btw, also happens in GoT, etc...).
Well you won't get that from this game. if you do have an interest in developing an interest in westerns, watch Sergio Leone's Dollars Trilogy and play this. But if you're really not interested, it probably won't do much for you in that respect. If you want good western stuff with a twist like that, Stephen King's Dark Tower series might be right up your alley; but can't think of too much video game-wise that fits.My problem is this: I don't particularly care about westerns. It's just not a compelling genre to me. I need some kind of twist for it to be interesting, like westworld.
Nobody said that it isn't fanservice? Machachan said that it's not fanservice to the extend and frequency of what female characters get subjected to.eh, disagree with this. topless dude can be fanservice. he man is not, gladio is. what you posted is the equivalent of a cameltoe or ivy from soul calibur, surely not a shirtless man
on the twilight-style movie argument, that's totally fanservice. i mean the movies even have a mom-fanbase drooling over 20 years old boys