Alternatively the only women they see on a regular basis are fictional.
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Alternatively the only women they see on a regular basis are fictional.
With every new reveal / picture I feel like nuJill is nuLara done right (or maybe done better?)
New Jill look more badass then ever and you can't change my mind.
I want to be surprised but after seeing "prettify/waifuify female characters" and, even worse, "replace brown characterts with white characters" mods for Into the Breach I have absolutely no faith in humanity left to lost. My faith in humanity meter is entirely depleted; a dusty, forgotten cobweb adorning its lower left corner.
I'm not a fan of them putting jiggle physics in, feels unnecessary. Admittedly it's not something you'll notice during gameplay unless you are really looking and have the camera turned while running. Feels like something a developer snuck in.
The same type of people where complaining about the female characters in MK11. The second a redesign of old characters are given more realism and better outfits, it's too late. They see it as an attack on them, you've chosen a side, it's "SJW" pandering,etc. No matter how beautiful the women in these games are compared to before, no amount of reasoning will get through.
And another thing that's crap is that I'm already seeing youtube thumbnails for RE3 featuring fan-art of the new Jill being objectified. It's your youtube video, but fuck off.
And another thing that's crap is that I'm already seeing youtube thumbnails for RE3 featuring fan-art of the new Jill being objectified. It's your youtube video, but fuck off.
I mean part of the debate in threads like this is that even if I'm not offended or anything that this platform is so that people who are offended and/or not a fan can air their grievances but ultimately I agree with you there.
I think that they "shouldn't have to" care but unfortunately in the age of the internet if a bunch of people are seeing dicks out Hroths and bunny girl titties on their feed and going "What game is this" and people go "FFXIV" they have to be responsible about the fact that people are doing that to their games and the messages that sends.
The whole reason for example ratings exists is to (in a system level) block out certain content getting to certain audiences. I know they can't control everything but they were kind enough when they asked (even if they put the Ryne thing in the same patch........) and made sure to contextualize it as people going "What kind of smut are you peddling in your MMO" and them having to basically damage control that.
People wanting to mod isn't a bad thing, but there's plenty of grey area as to the responsibility of modders and lewders on a multiplayer online game that has a low age barrier and such. I think about it if I was making the game and a bunch of people were coming to me saying I was making a porn game and I go "But I don't have anything like that in my game" and how tiring and annoying it would get to have to explain it every time. Sure it's no real harm done, but the devs still have to carry that weight, even if someone else doesn't feel it's worth getting upset over. That's just my two cents.
There's a whole sidequest where she geeks out at being able to test the next model of her favorite sneakers.
OK, fuck this.
I also hate how they turned Rise / Riesz' face and expression from fierce warrior to smiling waifu.
That's a perspective on the development side I didnt think about. Fair enough, sorry if I came off aggressive
No problem at all, I know I can be really aggressive sounding in text and such as well because I speak pretty assertively. As long as we don't turn to personal insults or anything I'm always down to further debate things. That's the beauty of the forum.
Glad I could at least help bring another perspective to the topic at least. Like I said I don't entirely disagree, there's just some other factors at play. Good talk. -sanitized gloved fistbump-
I dunno about this one. That art isn't really exemplifying a "warrior princes" to me and Reisz's playthrough I did seemed like she's still pretty warrior-esque aside from the physics. Even with the pose you posted she is more "demure" in holding the weapon as if she's wary of something.OK, fuck this.
I also hate how they turned Rise / Riesz' face and expression from fierce warrior to smiling waifu.
I do agree things like the class pictures like this:
Tend to undermine some of the character art like this:
But in the end they're pretty similar in terms of execution to me. Even one of her old art pieces (if I searched this right) is pretty "weakly statured"
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eh. Since jiggle is real (especially when running) I can't be mad at a really realistic-looking game putting it in. And in this case it's so slight and not especially ridiculous looking. Unfortunately a lot of developers have given very little reason to trust why they throw that shit in. But I think there's a glaring difference between what RE3 has going on and this bullshit right here...
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(man we're picking on Trials of Mana...but Im kinda bummed to see a gorgeous game, which really didn't need this, to go all-in on cleavage shots in almost every cutscene).
I mean, jiggle is real. When you're doing an hyper-realistic looking game, you have to commit to that. Jill's equipement jiggles and yeah, her body does too. And it's respectfully done compared to most games.
I will admit to being a shallow person who loves that leotards and old "dumb" RPG designs are in the game in HD but I can understand why a cleavage shot is cringe/gross to people though. It's not just the outfit it's the framing in that instance.
I personally want a game like Langrisser's classic art with giant shoulder pads and weird hair cuts and leotards everywhere to be a thing in HD, but I could do without zooming in on it yeah haha
It's really sad though how accurate the thread title is. Why the fuck are so many female characters, especially in Japanese games, not wearing any pants!? At least give them leggings or something. It's actually weird.
Cleavage doesn't bother. Sexy designs typically don't bother me either (it can be fun and fashionable).
My problem is more often framing. Tits are usually closer to the centre of the screen -- meanwhile a character's head is cut-off by the frame.
It's not enough that a design is sexy; it's that a camera needs to show you the ass RIGHT to your face.
It's not so much cleavage; as the girl needs to be wearing an out three sizes too small and have everything spilling out because the outfit barely qualifies to cover things.
I probably phrased it wrong but I was agreeing with said point. Framing and camera angles typically are the big one and unfortunately when it came to that sorceress they didn't seem to be too coy about it.
It's not that weird, since skirts are kind of in when it comes to fashion in Japan. What is weird is their seeming inability to let go of those trends when working on things that explicitly take place outside of Japan, including games that have European settings. It is indeed incredibly jarring to see things styled after Western fantasy and yet literally every female character is wearing a skirt (or short shorts or hot pants or some equivalent). Feels lazy and half-baked.
Naw, it's just a bad pop texture lol. I think she sorta magically appears and the game doesn't load her in right.
The game seems to have a lot of issues with pop-ins in general. Even lighting effects.
It seems to be dragging in AA mud in a few ways. The T&A in this game is probably some small factor to this too –– these designs clearly avoided a "Tifa now has a sport bra" level of design decision. :P
Yes, I'm quite aware that breasts jiggle in real life. *looks down at my own* I categorically disagree that a game going for a degree of realism, as far as depicting the human body, has to have breast physics. Anyway, I acknowledge it's pretty tame and a minor detail that only becomes apparent in a video slowed down.
It's massively better than the awful physics they had in REmake for Jill. I can't remember if it was so bad on the Gamecube but woof did it stick out on PC.
That's a very weird way to reframe "aggressive". She's holding a weapon like one holds a weapon: with the intention to use it on whatever she's looking at, not as a fashion accesory as she poses for a photoshoot.
Just look at her legs and feet. In the old art her boots are huge, her legs are straight, her feet are large, firmly plainted on the ground and pointing at 90 degrees; a warrior stance. In the new model, thighs are pressed together, knees are angled outwards; she's standing on the tips of her feet, which are tiny, and (of course) pigeon-toedly pointing inwards. I mean, if you can't see how the old art is night and day in terms of characterization compared to the new model, and how every single change is made from a blatant intent of "feminization" and "approachability", we'll just have to agree to disagree, but it's so glaringly, blindindly obvious to me.
Bonus points for the shoulder pad that is now magically floating just so that we can see her bare shoulders and side of her chest. :D
Oh I agree the new poses are more dainty for sure, it's hard to explain without visual examples and comparisons but I just got the idea that she's holding it with arms folded and away from the camera and such. It's hard to explain.
I gotta say though the shoulder pads were pretty floaty on one of the original arts too but think we're splitting hairs. I understand and agree the new poses are more dainty, I just don't see the valley of difference you do I suppose.
I miss big boots and strong poses V_V She reminds me of Deedlit who would be super dainty if made today -___-
It's disappointing how games keep doing these kind of designs for bosses. Have a bunch of different looking demon/yokai bosses in Nioh 2 and then you run in to the one like this.
Yeah, it continues to be a black mark on some otherwise great games. The original NiOh has the same problem.
I will for sure avoid the Mana game now like the plague. I am tired of that shit framing and those shit sexualized designs just makes me repulsed.
In regards to Jill she clearly looks inspired by Milla Jojovich. I know they use a specific model for the face but I would not be surprised that they picked someone that looked similar for that manner).
In regards to Jill she clearly looks inspired by Milla Jojovich. I know they use a specific model for the face but I would not be surprised that they picked someone that looked similar for that manner).
I think she's obsessed with sports shoes in particular because she's a sporty girl and wants to have the best shoes for her life style. It's not just about fawning over some pretty, impractical shoes (not to say she doesn't ever comment on their looks, she might, I don't remember)
I don't really get the Spider → Sexy line of thought. People say spiders entice their victims into their webs but they don't. They just toss a web in high traffic areas and hope no one notices.Yeah, it continues to be a black mark on some otherwise great games. The original NiOh has the same problem.
Also that Drider is just Drow + Spider is something that annoys me I didn't realize earlier.
Spider mating is dangerous for the male. Perhaps that is the source?
I want to counter with Praying Mantes but I'm to scared to see if there is or isn't any sexy praying mantis monster girls.
Spiders are creepier and more immediate for most people would be my counter to your hypothetical counter and I also would rather not look lol.
Edit: sorta off topic but I feel like millipedes could be terrifying monsters too. So many legs!
My hypothetical point would be praying mantes are more famous for the whole "female eats the male" thing but I concede to your point. It wouldn't surprise me if someone hasn't seen a praying mantis IRL but everyone's seen a spider.
I concede that it is strange that the praying mantis isn't more of a thing tho. As you say it'd make sense of the "femme fatale" thing is what peeps are mining out if it.
I'm sure someone will be along with an example to disturb us both soon enough. I hope not though.
I saw that earlier and cringed hard. Like whhhhhyyyyyy?
Xenoblade 2 is bad for this, and probably the first game I'd played it was so blatent that I fully noticed it.
It's worse when it's meant to be a "serious" moment though. And it's some bullshit framing like this. Ugh...
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jill´s breast physics in resident evil hd remake
Seriously, Capcom? breast physics in resident evil hd? okay....
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But it's still a play on the old stereotype that women love shoes. But, instead of high-heels it's gore-tex heels because she's outdoorsey and is basically a monster hunter.
Also, people keep commenting on her feminity, or lack thereof. Her main character arc in the first game is her realizing she's romantically in love with her "adopted brother," and she's a stupid klutz that requires said adopter brother to constantly bail her out and guide her through the game.
Sounds like I just need to write off the entire Trails metaseries.
Watching my GF playthrough Cold Steel I and II makes me crave a game like that with a woman protagonist and free of sexist and creepy bullshit.
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FWIW, I entirely disagree with the "stupid klutz" comment. She's young and inexperienced at first, but otherwise presented as very competent and she is guided by older mentors, not her adopted brother.
No. No she is not. Like, the beginning of the game shows her having to pass her "hunter exam" (or whatever they were called in that game) and the number of simple things that had to be explained to her that she should have already knew is staggering. The entire game is her being dense while Joshua, the love interest, makes sure she doesn't get killed or screw everything up. That's what I remember, at least.
I mean that's how they introduce the tutorial and background info at the start if the game where she hadn't done her revision. She is naieve for sure, but she is definitely competent and inspires those around her with her attitude.
I really think your underselling her character to be honest. I mean I remember the sneaker thing being mentioned 2 - 3 times maybe?
The games not perfect but honestly I think Estelle was the best thing about them personally.
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I did think that Estelle's archetype was more akin to an enthusiastic young hero setting off on an adventure. The Estelle/Joshua dynamic also had moments where Joshua was too cautious and Estelle more righteous. She plays the role mostly reserved for shounen heroes which means her over enthusiasm necessitates character growth. I didn't feel like those moments were a mark against her gender.
I think Estelle is basically presented as a shounen protagonist type of character. She's naive, she's a bit of a blockhead, and she has a habit of making decisions with her heart over her brain, but she also drives major changes in her world and demands the loyalty and admiration of lots of important people. I think she's somewhat incompetent early on (maybe a bit harsh, as she's a novice), but she's running the show for the most part during SC. I also didn't really see her love of shoes being a play on feminine stereotypes of girls loving shoes. The only character I really remember sharing in her love of those sneakers was Kevin in SC (I haven't played the third game yet, though).
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