This is so much of a carbon copy of leafy it almost sounds like a parody.Meanwhile, this is allowed:
"DOOM Eternal is Too Difficult"...According to Games Journalist Dean Takahashi
DOOM Eternal is getting closer to release and overall the game looks amzing. However, in leading up to launch and the eventual DOOM Eternal Reviews, Games Jo...www.youtube.com
You're not getting anything out of MKBHD. Dude could barely be assed to put out a video on George Floyd or any of the protests last summer while others were putting out videos and being active on Twitter discussing it.This is a lot bigger than gaming, so actually I don't care so much that Kotaku or Eurogamer aren't covering it, because they are small-fry i.e. who is going to care - they absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Bigger players need to step up, your normal media outlet, and influencers too, that includes some of the huge influencers e.g. (and I like the guy) MKBHD, who thrive on tech mostly made in these Chinese factories. If anything, someone like MKBHD is doing a great disservice. Again I enjoy the guy's content, but it's a huge missed opportunity to not speak up about this issue. It's all well and good discussing the absence of chargers in a phone but... what about the father/mother who put together the device you review that is absent from their real home?
If soccer players with lucrative sponsorships can give Xi the finger, so can every one of these individual influencers.
I didn't say I expect it, which is why I said it's the most I would expect. And that's not very much. But thanks for being condescending.And they would get "<Company> has declined to comment". And if they do it too much, they'd get blacklisted and perhaps lose their job.
Lots of people just don't understand how journalism works ITT.
No, because the traction of topics like this shows that most people here really don't care.If I were to argue, this is proof that no one on Resetera cares about this, would you feel offended? If I said it was proof that you're not fulfilling your role as a human, would you think that false?
??I didn't say I expect it, which is why I said it's the most I would expect. And that's not very much. But thanks for being condescending.
Well put.So here's a question, then.
Every single year, Gamesindustry.biz does a report on the use of conflict minerals among console and accessory manufacturers. Why do I never see a thread about it on Era? The site isn't ignored, a cursory glance of the first three pages here shows the site in several OPs. Why does this get ignored?
If I were to argue, this is proof that no one on Resetera cares about this, would you feel offended? If I said it was proof that you're not fulfilling your role as a human, would you think that false?
A-yup.So here's a question, then.
Every single year, Gamesindustry.biz does a report on the use of conflict minerals among console and accessory manufacturers. Why do I never see a thread about it on Era? The site isn't ignored, a cursory glance of the first three pages here shows the site in several OPs. Why does this get ignored?
If I were to argue, this is proof that no one on Resetera cares about this, would you feel offended? If I said it was proof that you're not fulfilling your role as a human, would you think that false?
"Microsoft is committed to responsible and ethical sourcing. We take this responsibility very seriously and take significant steps to enforce our policies and code of conduct in support of human rights, labor, health and safety, environmental protection, and business ethics through our assurance program.
All forms of forced labor are specifically banned by our Supplier Code of Conduct. We are investigating the claims and will take appropriate action if breaches of our code of conduct exist."
At the very least it gives the issue a little bit more visibility. As others pointed out thorough the thread, it's better to have small articles like this than a complete silence.Microsoft got asked by VGC and responded with
I mean someone could follow up on this and asked if MS investigated those claims, but I don't think they can do much else.
Well now I feel like a real ass. Thought you were saying they wouldn't even say what my post said cause they'd get blacklisted but I see my error.??
I was agreeing with you/adding to your point, not criticizing you. Apologies if that came across the wrong way.
Well put.
Seeing a lot of excuses and rationalizations for inaction in this arena and it's a damn shame. Mindlessly consuming, hyping and promoting luxury electronics made with the blood of fellow human beings is abhorrent no matter the rationale behind it. The cost here is ridiculously severe and the stakes (toys!) ridiculously low and yet we still see arguments being toted out like "What if the poor hype men get blacklisted." The answer bluntly remains that people on this forum don't care enough about Uighur lives and conflict minerals to even skip purchasing a PS5, let alone the business risks gaming sites would have to take to shed light on the matter to the larger gaming populace. It's apathy, plain and simple, and it's not just among "journalists." It's right here on a forum that's supposed to be one of the most progressive in the gaming scene.
Frankly, no one in the gaming sphere has the sources needed to report this story. If you want to report this story you need sources in China willing to talk about it. These are the kinds of sources that foreign correspondents at places like the BBC and NYTimes spend entire careers cultivating. And frankly, no editor is going to pay for a trip to China for a gaming journalist to cover this from that angle. Expecting dudes that normally report on stuff like crunch or release delays to have the sources needed to report this is just silly. This isn't the sort of story where you just dial a guy at Blizzard or Nintendo, this is REAL journalism and it's the sort of thing people risk their lives to report. Y'all are acting like this is easy, that it's a matter of a few phone calls. The BBC has talked about reporters literally being chased out of China by dudes in trucks for just trying to cover this.
BuzzFeed has a 4 part expose on this and there was a year's gap between parts 3 and 4. They literally had to track down a refugee camp in the middle east to find sources. There was over a year between the BBC first reporting it and the new stories they're putting out. This is happening in a country that ain't exactly friendly to journalists in the first place and they'll be even less friendly when they find out someone's trying to cover this.
This is the sort of story covered by foreign correspondents and investigative journalists, not a beat reporter working the gaming industry. We'll probably start seeing stories from them as the information becomes more and more widespread and accessable, but until then, it's the sort of stuff people die trying to report.
No worries, glad we could clear up the misunderstanding. ^^Well now I feel like a real ass. Thought you were saying they wouldn't even say what my post said cause they'd get blacklisted but I see my error.
Not purchasing a PS5, but thanks for your weird attempt at a gotcha. Talking to people and trying to convince them or spread awareness of the issue is one of the best things one can do in a situation like this, which is why it sucks that outlets aren't covering the issue at all.well what you're doing about it besides being outraged in a video game forum?
It has some, like Jason Schreier
Ya it's not to say that people suck and don't care but more so that we've always just felt disconnected from issues that don't directly affect us. We can have sympathy for people but unless you can relate somehow it's just not going to bother most people to the point that they try to help find a solution. That and also that most people aren't going to enjoy their favorite hobby to prove a point against a problem that feels distant and foreign. You see examples of this today with police brutality, mass shootings, etc, huge issues within our society and yet they all just become talking points for us for a few days.These days I think it's harder to blame people, I'm not saying people shouldn't care because we should collectively but the average person has enough on their plate at the best of times that it's easy to become desensitized to the plight of others, even harder when it's something an individual person is never going to be able to actively change. When you have to worry about bills, family, your job, health both physical and mental, violence, government, racism and any number of other issues it's hard not to just get burnt out.
Seeing a lot of excuses and rationalizations for inaction in this arena and it's a damn shame. Mindlessly consuming, hyping and promoting luxury electronics made with the blood of fellow human beings is abhorrent no matter the rationale behind it. The cost here is ridiculously severe and the stakes (toys!) ridiculously low and yet we still see arguments being toted out like "What if the poor hype men get blacklisted." The answer bluntly remains that people on this forum don't care enough about Uighur lives and conflict minerals to even skip purchasing a PS5, let alone the business risks gaming sites would have to take to shed light on the matter to the larger gaming populace. It's apathy, plain and simple, and it's not just among "journalists." It's right here on a forum that's supposed to be one of the most progressive in the gaming scene.
The answer bluntly remains that people on this forum don't care enough about Uighur lives and conflict minerals to even skip purchasing a PS5
People seriously need to read this. What the fuck are most of the replies in this thread. It's like y'all don't do anything but play video games and have no understanding of how the world works.
And of course people will ignore this.Microsoft got asked by VGC and responded with
I mean someone could follow up on this and asked if MS investigated those claims, but I don't think they can do much else.
Frankly, no one in the gaming sphere has the sources needed to report this story. If you want to report this story you need sources in China willing to talk about it. These are the kinds of sources that foreign correspondents at places like the BBC and NYTimes spend entire careers cultivating. And frankly, no editor is going to pay for a trip to China for a gaming journalist to cover this from that angle. Expecting dudes that normally report on stuff like crunch or release delays to have the sources needed to report this is just silly. This isn't the sort of story where you just dial a guy at Blizzard or Nintendo, this is REAL journalism and it's the sort of thing people risk their lives to report. Y'all are acting like this is easy, that it's a matter of a few phone calls. The BBC has talked about reporters literally being chased out of China by dudes in trucks for just trying to cover this.
BuzzFeed has a 4 part expose on this and there was a year's gap between parts 3 and 4. They literally had to track down a refugee camp in the middle east to find sources. There was over a year between the BBC first reporting it and the new stories they're putting out. This is happening in a country that ain't exactly friendly to journalists in the first place and they'll be even less friendly when they find out someone's trying to cover this.
This is the sort of story covered by foreign correspondents and investigative journalists, not a beat reporter working the gaming industry. We'll probably start seeing stories from them as the information becomes more and more widespread and accessable, but until then, it's the sort of stuff people die trying to report.
Consoles are made using Uyghur slaves. I'm not expecting them to fly to China and go undercover for a year, but a retweet or two would've been nice.
Unfortunately, even the bare minimum seems to be too much for them.
But it IS related to gaming if slave labour is being used for gaming products.
The first response has it on point. Games journalism isn't really journalism. It is an absolute joke. The BBC seems to be the only outlet that is constantly reporting on the plight of the Uighurs. I may have missed it from other big outlets but it'd be nice to get more exposure on this.
And so-called gaming journalists, please grow a fucking pair of balls and report on some real shit where it's relevant.
Like any of you actually give a shit about this.
And don't even pretend that you do, because you don't.
If you guys don't give a shit about stuff like Amazon and keep buying from them, and that's white people getting treated badly, I can't even imagine how microscopic you guys give a shit about a bunch of Muslims getting tortured or killed for your favorite electronics and games.
Ultimately you're completely right.Not purchasing a PS5, but thanks for your weird attempt at a gotcha. Talking to people and trying to convince them or spread awareness of the issue is one of the best things one can do in a situation like this, which is why it sucks that outlets aren't covering the issue at all.
So here's a question, then.
Every single year, Gamesindustry.biz does a report on the use of conflict minerals among console and accessory manufacturers. Why do I never see a thread about it on Era? The site isn't ignored, a cursory glance of the first three pages here shows the site in several OPs. Why does this get ignored?
If I were to argue, this is proof that no one on Resetera cares about this, would you feel offended? If I said it was proof that you're not fulfilling your role as a human, would you think that false?
And they would get "<Company> has declined to comment". And if they do it too much, they'd get blacklisted and perhaps lose their job.
Lots of people just don't understand how journalism works ITT.
Not purchasing a PS5, but thanks for your weird attempt at a gotcha. Talking to people and trying to convince them or spread awareness of the issue is one of the best things one can do in a situation like this, which is why it sucks that outlets aren't covering the issue at all.
I agree with this take and I disagree with it at the same time.Like any of you actually give a shit about this.
And don't even pretend that you do, because you don't.
If you guys don't give a shit about stuff like Amazon exploiting people and keep buying from them, and that's white people getting treated badly, I can't even imagine how microscopic you guys give a shit about a bunch of Muslims getting tortured or killed for your favorite electronics and games.
I agree with this take and I disagree with it at the same time.
It's easy to say that people don't care because they're still buying consoles, shopping on Amazon, and browsing this site on a computer or smartphone. But in the grand scheme, this isn't an issue that can just be fixed by dropping everything.
Amazon has products that grocery stores in some areas don't stock. People living in rural areas and leaning on Amazon to supply them with things I can buy at Target or Winco but they can't because they don't have a Target and Winco is going to happen. Smartphones are a staple in the modern world. Computers and internet access are a damn near necessity, especially given smartphones are the first time a lot of poorer people were able to get internet access in the first place.
Trying to get people to just up and drop stuff and restructure their entire way of interacting with the world at large or to find new hobbies that interest them isn't going to happen when these are things they rely on for core functions of basic life.
Making a bunch of noise collectively until these companies shift policies and governments put mechanisms in place to curb these types of things is how it works. Someone up and dumping everything doesn't mean they care more than any number of people posting in this thread, it just means that they can afford to do it.
The poster you responded to is aware of JS and is still correct. There are no gaming journalists. There are some that go beyond just "I like..." or "I don't like...", but none that rise to the level of journalism. Most enthusiast press doesn't, so its not unique to gaming, but at least in sports or film there are some. In gaming there aren't. No one is expecting anyone to go to China undercover, but an extensive article on this with questions asked of multiple people and companies is not some unheard of ask. That is what a real journalist would do. It hasn't been done because there are no real gaming journalists.
That's not how journalism usually is supposed to work though. It's however how "gaming journalism" does seem to work, with that I agree.And they would get "<Company> has declined to comment". And if they do it too much, they'd get blacklisted and perhaps lose their job.
Lots of people just don't understand how journalism works ITT.
I mean, Imran Khan is literally on this page with some weird deflection instead of explaining why it actually can't be done. That's all we need to know.The poster you responded to is aware of JS and is still correct. There are no gaming journalists. There are some that go beyond just "I like..." or "I don't like...", but none that rise to the level of journalism. Most enthusiast press doesn't, so its not unique to gaming, but at least in sports or film there are some. In gaming there aren't. No one is expecting anyone to go to China undercover, but an extensive article on this with questions asked of multiple people and companies is not some unheard of ask. That is what a real journalist would do. It hasn't been done because there are no real gaming journalists.
How is that a deflection? He said there is literally work done on this on an annual basis and it's never picked up by this audience. You asked why a topic is ignored by the gaming press, were given an example of it not being ignored, and are calling it a deflection. If nobody gives a shit about the report that comes out every single year on this, then reporting on it doesn't do anything because the only way for results to occur is if the audience does something with it. Journalists bring us information. It's up to us to make a stink about it.I mean, Imran Khan is literally on this page with some weird deflection instead of explaining why it actually can't be done. That's all we need to know.
Frankly, no one in the gaming sphere has the sources needed to report this story. If you want to report this story you need sources in China willing to talk about it. These are the kinds of sources that foreign correspondents at places like the BBC and NYTimes spend entire careers cultivating. And frankly, no editor is going to pay for a trip to China for a gaming journalist to cover this from that angle. Expecting dudes that normally report on stuff like crunch or release delays to have the sources needed to report this is just silly. This isn't the sort of story where you just dial a guy at Blizzard or Nintendo, this is REAL journalism and it's the sort of thing people risk their lives to report. Y'all are acting like this is easy, that it's a matter of a few phone calls. The BBC has talked about reporters literally being chased out of China by dudes in trucks for just trying to cover this.
BuzzFeed has a 4 part expose on this and there was a year's gap between parts 3 and 4. They literally had to track down a refugee camp in the middle east to find sources. There was over a year between the BBC first reporting it and the new stories they're putting out. This is happening in a country that ain't exactly friendly to journalists in the first place and they'll be even less friendly when they find out someone's trying to cover this.
This is the sort of story covered by foreign correspondents and investigative journalists, not a beat reporter working the gaming industry. We'll probably start seeing stories from them as the information becomes more and more widespread and accessable, but until then, it's the sort of stuff people die trying to report.
He mentioned one outlet working on a story about conflict minerals and their use in the tech industry, which is very important topic, but not exactly the same I was asking for (i.e. contribution that video game industry adds to the Uighur genocide). Then someone else brought the article from VGC which as at least tried to bring attention to that particular problem (that's the first time I even heard about VGC, so I guess the reach definitely isn't there).How is that a deflection? He said there is literally work done on this on an annual basis and it's never picked up by this audience. You asked why a topic is ignored by the gaming press, were given an example of it not being ignored, and are calling it a deflection.
And they would get "<Company> has declined to comment". And if they do it too much, they'd get blacklisted and perhaps lose their job.
Lots of people just don't understand how journalism works ITT.
Even just a few smaller articles every once in awhile would be good enough reminder. Even if it isn't new information, that would be way better than nothing.And of course people will ignore this.
"It's out of gaming journalists' capabilities". No, it'e not. There's another way than going to China and live reporting from there.
This is the dumbest shit I've read on this site.First of all, this. A million times this.
Then, they'd have to admit the overall hypocrisy of only caring about causes that wouldn't put an end to their main hobby, at least temporarily, as all major constructors benefit from the "free" workforce in Uighur majority areas.
edit: to the poster above, Madao, well I wonder where you get your news from then. It's covered on a regular basis in international media outlets.