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Who was the main character of the Infinity Saga? Captain America or Iron Man?
- Thread starter Uzumaki Goku
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There are multiple storylines, but the A story is Thor's (imo), simply because his scenes bookend the entire movie.
*whoops, read it as Infinity War (just the first movie, not the saga). For the saga it's both Ironman's AND Captain America's.
*whoops, read it as Infinity War (just the first movie, not the saga). For the saga it's both Ironman's AND Captain America's.
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Well what's this about Whedon not getting Cap?
I think you can tell Whedon preferred Black Widow a lot compared to the Russo's.
I think you can tell Whedon preferred Black Widow a lot compared to the Russo's.
Whedon's Cap in A1 is terrible. He's portrayed as an anachronistic throwback, and not in a good way.
Cap was everyones least favorite Avenger until the Russos reinvented him in Winter Soldier.
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That nowhere near a plot hole when you realize you are talking on an galactic scale.... Like, not even close. Besides after 20+ years of working at it she was able to stand toe to toe with Thanos but was still outsmarted in the final battle. And that was with the help of the entire Avengers army. I don't give a younger less experienced Carol a shot in hell vs Thanos and his entire Army on Nebulas planet while she is solo. He would have rocked her.
Age of Ultron takes a lot of cues from how the Russos used Cap in Winter Soldier, but Whedon seems to go overboard with it.
Compare the opening scenes of that film where Cap flips over the handlebars of his motorcycle and throws it (!) to literally the entirety of Avengers 1.
We see this again with the Cap/Ultron fistfight (!) on top of a speeding truck. Why is this happening? Rogers isn't Thor.
Plotwise though there's not much development for Steve in AoU, outside of being (justifiably) pissed that Banner and Stark went ahead with AI development and experimenting on the staff, and saving people when Sokovia goes to hell at the climax. Whedon never really seems to know what to do with Rogers in these films.
Carol literally had to be stopped from running after thanos to fight him by herself 15 minutes into endgame, knowing full well he had a gauntlet full of infinity stones.
Carol was very much convinced she could have taken Thanos and his army completely solo, and was shocked there were no defenses when she got there.
Both. The entire thing was about Tony being selfish and anti-authority, to overcompensating for that in civil war, to finding a balance. Then reaching the natural conclusion of his personality of one that never rests. Same with Cap. All authority and selfless, to overcompensating for that after what he saw in Cap 2, to finding the balance. He went and got some of that life Tony was talking about.
Their personalities look kinda like a double helix. It was always their stories once civil war cemented them as the two leaders.
Their personalities look kinda like a double helix. It was always their stories once civil war cemented them as the two leaders.
You should read the chain of posts, that's exactly what I was saying. Someone listed a bunch of Endgame moments as the culmination of Cap's arc but none of them are. Things like him being worthy to lift Mjolnir was there for AoU. My point was there is no growth for Cap between AoU and Endgame that made him worthy or made him finally say avengers assemble. They were just cool moments.
FWIW, me thinking Cap doesn't have a lot of character growth doesn't mean I dislike him or his movies. He continuously has some of the best moments and Winter Soldier is still probably the best MCU movie.
Sure she may have THOUGHT that. I mean, Drax thought he could solo Thanos too and planned to do so if I recall correctly.... Im talking about what actually would have happened. She lost vs him with backup, she would have gotten washed versus Thanos dolo, regardless of what she thought. That's all Im saying.
That, and that the universe is too big to say "Where's Captain Marvel when Thanos was wrecking planets". I mean, on a cosmic scale she could have been any number of other places helping with many issues.
Black Widow is the single worst handled character in the entirety of the MCU. For Whedon (and Favreau) she was just a random hot girl, in Infinity War she was kinda there and in Endgame she died for the boys, was mourned for one scene, then forgotten.
The only movie that came close to actually treating her as a layered character was The Winter Soldier and even that at times just went with the "sexy, female spy"-thing.
Iron Man was the Protagonist, Captain America was the Deuteragonist.
I mean, Infinity War even bookends with the clicking sound of Tony creating his original suit.
I mean, Infinity War even bookends with the clicking sound of Tony creating his original suit.
He's not that great there either. Ultron isn't a great movie in general which doesn't help.
It should be Cap, but RDJ stole every scene they were in together, and that's saying something. Chris Evans was great.
My hope is that phase four drops a lot of the Stark wankery. It actually got a little old in Far From Home, and that felt weird.
There's so much Tony / Iron Man outside of his own movies.
Endgame is a Tony movie.
Hell, Captain America: Civil War is halfway a Tony movie.
Endgame is a Tony movie.
Hell, Captain America: Civil War is halfway a Tony movie.
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